The Carrolls wrote:
So shouldn"t the wealthy pay a larger percentage?

Why? My Yearly income tax bill, exceeds the national median income.
Are you saying that because I went to school for most of my life, got
into an industry that has to pay well to keep me, worked my butt off and
continue to do so, pay top dollar for various insurance and licenses, am
not eligible for most government assistance programs due to my income,
receive no special treatment for day to day benefits of living in this
country, that I should pay a greater percentage of my salary for this
"privilege"?
BULLCHIT!!!!!!
Modified Flat Tax....Below a national median poverty level ....no tax;
poverty level to the median income level .... half tax; median income
level and above, 10% tax on gross CASH INCOME. EG let the games begin !

otn

The data I provided showed that's about what we have, except that it plateaus,
for the top 50% at 23% +/-.



"otnmbrd" wrote in message
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The Carrolls wrote:
So shouldn"t the wealthy pay a larger percentage?

Why? My Yearly income tax bill, exceeds the national median income.
Are you saying that because I went to school for most of my life, got
into an industry that has to pay well to keep me, worked my butt off and
continue to do so, pay top dollar for various insurance and licenses, am
not eligible for most government assistance programs due to my income,
receive no special treatment for day to day benefits of living in this
country, that I should pay a greater percentage of my salary for this
"privilege"?
BULLCHIT!!!!!!
Modified Flat Tax....Below a national median poverty level ....no tax;
poverty level to the median income level .... half tax; median income
level and above, 10% tax on gross CASH INCOME. EG let the games begin !

otn

Jeff Morris wrote:
The data I provided showed that's about what we have, except that it plateaus,
for the top 50% at 23% +/-.

HUH? I haven't paid that small a percentage in years !!

An argument on taxes is like an argument about politics or religion
......useless. Until you go to the basic problem and solve that, you're
wasting your time.
The basic problem.... a government, peopled by politicians and
beauracracies which are not REQUIRED to balance a budget, act
responsibly, efficiently, etc.
We've got a government who's main job is "politics as per usual", that
solves every problem by creating more government to govern and oversee
the government and find new ways to create revenue that they can waste
in a politically correct fashion.
Down through history, governments of any and all kinds, have become
wasteful, inefficient and more interested in serving the interest of the
government, rather than the people they were/are supposed to serve, as
soon as they were allowed to attain any degree of power .... and being
as most people are sheep, wanting to be lead, this has and will always
be, easy.
The US is no different ...we gave up a government "of the people, by the
people, for the people", long ago (if it ever really existed). Political
arguments, regarding various problems we see, existing within the
government, be it taxes, health care, justice, etc., will bring about
little if any real solutions to the real basic problems, only bandaid
fixes, that will allow "government" to continue to muddle along as it
has and will..... you want to fix the problems we see in government
every day? Go after the real problem ... the outmoded, old fashion,
overblown government, that's the cause of those problems.


ROFLMAO ....sheesh, what a waste of net time, or whatever it's called
..... oh well, guess I'm allowed the occasional vent.

otn

Read my post to Simple Simon. You get what you pay for. Live better pay more
than living poorly. I bet you live better than the national median. Why did
you use median any way, why not average? Only to skew your facts I think.
You pay insurance to protect your self, not me, you could be self insured.
Unless you are speaking of government insurance a program you mostlikely are
glad to have. Your licenses keep any joker from moving into your field
diluting the skills base, insuring lesser competition to you. Also you are
saying you worked harder than anyone who makes less than you? Were you
luckier than them, or better or privledged? Certianly there are government
programs you take advantage of, Highways, ADC keeps some poor slob from
becoming a thief and stealing your chit, the school you attended, law
enforcement that allowes you to conduct commerce in a civil environment. I
could go on, but am choosing to save ammunition for a rebuttal.
"otnmbrd" wrote in message
k.net...


The Carrolls wrote:
So shouldn"t the wealthy pay a larger percentage?

Why? My Yearly income tax bill, exceeds the national median income.
Are you saying that because I went to school for most of my life, got
into an industry that has to pay well to keep me, worked my butt off and
continue to do so, pay top dollar for various insurance and licenses, am
not eligible for most government assistance programs due to my income,
receive no special treatment for day to day benefits of living in this
country, that I should pay a greater percentage of my salary for this
"privilege"?
BULLCHIT!!!!!!
Modified Flat Tax....Below a national median poverty level ....no tax;
poverty level to the median income level .... half tax; median income
level and above, 10% tax on gross CASH INCOME. EG let the games begin !

otn

G Interesting - comments interspersed

The Carrolls wrote:
Read my post to Simple Simon. You get what you pay for. Live better pay more
than living poorly. I bet you live better than the national median. Why did
you use median any way, why not average? Only to skew your facts I think.

You're looking for something that's not there. I looked for a national
average wage, and found the "median"... "close enough for gov'ment work".
What I can't understand..... if I pay 10% and someone who makes the
"median" pays 10%, aren't I paying more? For the same services? Is there
something wrong with me living better than the national median? Or isn't
this "Politically correct"?

You pay insurance to protect your self, not me, you could be self insured.

Not totally correct, but it's nitpicking on my part.

Unless you are speaking of government insurance a program you mostlikely are
glad to have. Your licenses keep any joker from moving into your field
diluting the skills base, insuring lesser competition to you.

I'm not allowed any government insurance programs. My licenses do not
keep any licensed joker from trying to move in, only my performance does
that.

Also you are
saying you worked harder than anyone who makes less than you?

G What would make you think that? I worked my butt off to get where I
am, I continue to do so to stay where I am..... no relation to how hard
someone of any income has to work. Physically, I worked much harder,
when I was working for my father, collecting rubbish.

Were you
luckier than them, or better or privledged? Certianly there are government
programs you take advantage of, Highways, ADC keeps some poor slob from
becoming a thief and stealing your chit, the school you attended, law
enforcement that allowes you to conduct commerce in a civil environment. I
could go on, but am choosing to save ammunition for a rebuttal.

Luckier than some, less so than other's and sometimes I made my own
luck. Better? How so? At what I do, I'm better than average (actually,
damn better, but that's neither here nor there.). I can't think of any
government programs that I take advantage of (I'm sure someone will
correct me on this - talking specific aid programs), but isn't this part
of what I pay taxes for? And can you please explain why I should pay,
not only more, but a higher percentage of that more, for the same
services? ( I believe in the "more" of an equal percentage, it's the
"more" of a greater percentage that bugs me.)

The basic tax system is highly flawed and isn't going to be fixed by the
government or any other group by simply writing new statutes (flawed) to
try to correct it.

G Maybe my problem is that I rely too much on the KISS principle for
my everyday existence.

otn
"otnmbrd" wrote in message
k.net...


The Carrolls wrote:

So shouldn"t the wealthy pay a larger percentage?

Why? My Yearly income tax bill, exceeds the national median income.
Are you saying that because I went to school for most of my life, got
into an industry that has to pay well to keep me, worked my butt off and
continue to do so, pay top dollar for various insurance and licenses, am
not eligible for most government assistance programs due to my income,
receive no special treatment for day to day benefits of living in this
country, that I should pay a greater percentage of my salary for this
"privilege"?
BULLCHIT!!!!!!
Modified Flat Tax....Below a national median poverty level ....no tax;
poverty level to the median income level .... half tax; median income
level and above, 10% tax on gross CASH INCOME. EG let the games begin !

otn

"otnmbrd" wrote in message link.net...
I'm not allowed any government insurance programs. My licenses do not
keep any licensed joker from trying to move in, only my performance does
that.


Ahah! Then you ARE worried about my moving in and
causing you to queue up in the unemployment line?

S.Simon

Simple Simon wrote:
"otnmbrd" wrote in message link.net...

I'm not allowed any government insurance programs. My licenses do not
keep any licensed joker from trying to move in, only my performance does
that.



Ahah! Then you ARE worried about my moving in and
causing you to queue up in the unemployment line?

S.Simon


ROFL Only when you become a Master Mariner, as "I" define Master
Mariner, and dere ain't a snowballs chance in hell of dat.

otn

"otnmbrd" wrote in message link.net...


Simple Simon wrote:
"otnmbrd" wrote in message link.net...

I'm not allowed any government insurance programs. My licenses do not
keep any licensed joker from trying to move in, only my performance does
that.



Ahah! Then you ARE worried about my moving in and
causing you to queue up in the unemployment line?

S.Simon


ROFL Only when you become a Master Mariner, as "I" define Master
Mariner, and dere ain't a snowballs chance in hell of dat.



Gotta get my license back first. :-(

S.Simon

Just to be fair, I do like most of what I have read about a flat tax.
"otnmbrd" wrote in message
k.net...


The Carrolls wrote:
So shouldn"t the wealthy pay a larger percentage?

Why? My Yearly income tax bill, exceeds the national median income.
Are you saying that because I went to school for most of my life, got
into an industry that has to pay well to keep me, worked my butt off and
continue to do so, pay top dollar for various insurance and licenses, am
not eligible for most government assistance programs due to my income,
receive no special treatment for day to day benefits of living in this
country, that I should pay a greater percentage of my salary for this
"privilege"?
BULLCHIT!!!!!!
Modified Flat Tax....Below a national median poverty level ....no tax;
poverty level to the median income level .... half tax; median income
level and above, 10% tax on gross CASH INCOME. EG let the games begin !

otn