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"Ian Sandell" wrote in message ...
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:28:49 +0100, "Ric" wrote:



They're sailing in the tropics and I'd imagine will be spending a lot of
time swimming/diving and then showering with fresh, so they will probably
use more than your consumption in the north Atlantic. In summer in the Med I
get through about 60l per day though it would be nice to have 100l a day and
just not have to ration it at all.

How much? What do you do with 100l a day - bath in it?

For showers, use sal****er shampoo, then rinse with a litre of fresh.


Energy hogs are what we're talking about here. This is the type
of person who owns a sailboat that NEVER stops running machinery
of one sort of another. There is a noisy and smelly diesel generator
going 24/7, there is a noisy wind generator or two. There are
loud stereos blaring most of the night, dogs barking, people
hollering, etc. Add to this anchor chains rattling in the middle
of the night because the big noisy boat is dragging because no
proper anchor is shipped.

It's all about priorities. Anyone whose major concern is bathing
and consuming ridiculous quantities of water and making a bad
neighbor out of himself in any anchorage is no sailor. He's just
another lubber extending his obnoxious act out onto the water
where most people go to get away from his type and the lessening
of quality of life he provides.

S.Simon

What again? Another thread on Watermakers?
 

Yeah I'm a landlubber - that's why I like swimming so much. Any fool can
sail all day on a teaspoon of water per day if they are scared of it.

What again? Another thread on Watermakers?
 

As often as your boat moves, you will never need to worry about tieing next
to him, so why are you bitching.
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...




"Ian Sandell" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:28:49 +0100, "Ric" wrote:



They're sailing in the tropics and I'd imagine will be spending a lot
of
time swimming/diving and then showering with fresh, so they will
probably
use more than your consumption in the north Atlantic. In summer in the
Med I
get through about 60l per day though it would be nice to have 100l a
day and
just not have to ration it at all.

How much? What do you do with 100l a day - bath in it?

For showers, use sal****er shampoo, then rinse with a litre of fresh.


Energy hogs are what we're talking about here. This is the type
of person who owns a sailboat that NEVER stops running machinery
of one sort of another. There is a noisy and smelly diesel generator
going 24/7, there is a noisy wind generator or two. There are
loud stereos blaring most of the night, dogs barking, people
hollering, etc. Add to this anchor chains rattling in the middle
of the night because the big noisy boat is dragging because no
proper anchor is shipped.

It's all about priorities. Anyone whose major concern is bathing
and consuming ridiculous quantities of water and making a bad
neighbor out of himself in any anchorage is no sailor. He's just
another lubber extending his obnoxious act out onto the water
where most people go to get away from his type and the lessening
of quality of life he provides.

S.Simon

What again? Another thread on Watermakers?
 

If you ever did anything but hang out here and post
inane thoughts you might realize that when I get
settled down in a nice, quiet, snug anchorage after
a day's cruising be it in the Bahamas, the Keys
or anywhere along the U.S. Gulf and East Coasts it's
these noisy idiots who come in and anchor right on
top of me that causes me to make valid observations
about them and the pathetic, self-centered nature
of their lubberly actions.

S.Simon


"The Carrolls" wrote in message ...
As often as your boat moves, you will never need to worry about tieing next
to him, so why are you bitching.
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...




"Ian Sandell" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:28:49 +0100, "Ric" wrote:



They're sailing in the tropics and I'd imagine will be spending a lot
of
time swimming/diving and then showering with fresh, so they will
probably
use more than your consumption in the north Atlantic. In summer in the
Med I
get through about 60l per day though it would be nice to have 100l a
day and
just not have to ration it at all.

How much? What do you do with 100l a day - bath in it?

For showers, use sal****er shampoo, then rinse with a litre of fresh.


Energy hogs are what we're talking about here. This is the type
of person who owns a sailboat that NEVER stops running machinery
of one sort of another. There is a noisy and smelly diesel generator
going 24/7, there is a noisy wind generator or two. There are
loud stereos blaring most of the night, dogs barking, people
hollering, etc. Add to this anchor chains rattling in the middle
of the night because the big noisy boat is dragging because no
proper anchor is shipped.

It's all about priorities. Anyone whose major concern is bathing
and consuming ridiculous quantities of water and making a bad
neighbor out of himself in any anchorage is no sailor. He's just
another lubber extending his obnoxious act out onto the water
where most people go to get away from his type and the lessening
of quality of life he provides.

S.Simon

What again? Another thread on Watermakers?
 

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

If you ever did anything but hang out here and post
inane thoughts you might realize that when I get
settled down in a nice, quiet, snug anchorage after
a day's cruising be it in the Bahamas, the Keys
or anywhere along the U.S. Gulf and East Coasts it's
these noisy idiots who come in and anchor right on
top of me that causes me to make valid observations
about them and the pathetic, self-centered nature
of their lubberly actions.

I'd agree with you totally. There is nothing worse than people running
generators or main motors to make electricity. But you can still run a
watermaker on 12v - the Katadyn 40E makes 15l/hour on 12v/5A and the Livol
makes 30l/hour on 12v/8A, both of which can therefore easily be powered by
solar and fan.

What again? Another thread on Watermakers?
 

But that idiot was talking about 50 to 100 liters a day per person
with four persons aboard.

Making that much water takes a generator to provide that kind of energy.

S.Simon


"Ric" wrote in message ...

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

If you ever did anything but hang out here and post
inane thoughts you might realize that when I get
settled down in a nice, quiet, snug anchorage after
a day's cruising be it in the Bahamas, the Keys
or anywhere along the U.S. Gulf and East Coasts it's
these noisy idiots who come in and anchor right on
top of me that causes me to make valid observations
about them and the pathetic, self-centered nature
of their lubberly actions.

I'd agree with you totally. There is nothing worse than people running
generators or main motors to make electricity. But you can still run a
watermaker on 12v - the Katadyn 40E makes 15l/hour on 12v/5A and the Livol
makes 30l/hour on 12v/8A, both of which can therefore easily be powered by
solar and fan.

What again? Another thread on Watermakers?
 

Why on earth would any one who could afford a boat large enough to support a
genset be caught in the same swamp as your self?
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

If you ever did anything but hang out here and post
inane thoughts you might realize that when I get
settled down in a nice, quiet, snug anchorage after
a day's cruising be it in the Bahamas, the Keys
or anywhere along the U.S. Gulf and East Coasts it's
these noisy idiots who come in and anchor right on
top of me that causes me to make valid observations
about them and the pathetic, self-centered nature
of their lubberly actions.

S.Simon


"The Carrolls" wrote in message
...
As often as your boat moves, you will never need to worry about tieing
next
to him, so why are you bitching.
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...




"Ian Sandell" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:28:49 +0100, "Ric" wrote:



They're sailing in the tropics and I'd imagine will be spending a
lot
of
time swimming/diving and then showering with fresh, so they will
probably
use more than your consumption in the north Atlantic. In summer in
the
Med I
get through about 60l per day though it would be nice to have 100l
a
day and
just not have to ration it at all.

How much? What do you do with 100l a day - bath in it?

For showers, use sal****er shampoo, then rinse with a litre of
fresh.


Energy hogs are what we're talking about here. This is the type
of person who owns a sailboat that NEVER stops running machinery
of one sort of another. There is a noisy and smelly diesel generator
going 24/7, there is a noisy wind generator or two. There are
loud stereos blaring most of the night, dogs barking, people
hollering, etc. Add to this anchor chains rattling in the middle
of the night because the big noisy boat is dragging because no
proper anchor is shipped.

It's all about priorities. Anyone whose major concern is bathing
and consuming ridiculous quantities of water and making a bad
neighbor out of himself in any anchorage is no sailor. He's just
another lubber extending his obnoxious act out onto the water
where most people go to get away from his type and the lessening
of quality of life he provides.

S.Simon

What again? Another thread on Watermakers?
 

You once said you could make water with an old beer keg, membrane and
waterdepth of over 700 feet. Didn't need electricity at all, according to
you.
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
But that idiot was talking about 50 to 100 liters a day per person
with four persons aboard.

Making that much water takes a generator to provide that kind of energy.

S.Simon


"Ric" wrote in message
...

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

If you ever did anything but hang out here and post
inane thoughts you might realize that when I get
settled down in a nice, quiet, snug anchorage after
a day's cruising be it in the Bahamas, the Keys
or anywhere along the U.S. Gulf and East Coasts it's
these noisy idiots who come in and anchor right on
top of me that causes me to make valid observations
about them and the pathetic, self-centered nature
of their lubberly actions.

I'd agree with you totally. There is nothing worse than people running
generators or main motors to make electricity. But you can still run a
watermaker on 12v - the Katadyn 40E makes 15l/hour on 12v/5A and the
Livol
makes 30l/hour on 12v/8A, both of which can therefore easily be powered
by
solar and fan.

What again? Another thread on Watermakers?
 

Trouble is people like Jeff Morris who motor catamarans
up and down the ditch seek out shallow water harbors.

S.Simon


"The Carrolls" wrote in message ...
Why on earth would any one who could afford a boat large enough to support a
genset be caught in the same swamp as your self?
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

If you ever did anything but hang out here and post
inane thoughts you might realize that when I get
settled down in a nice, quiet, snug anchorage after
a day's cruising be it in the Bahamas, the Keys
or anywhere along the U.S. Gulf and East Coasts it's
these noisy idiots who come in and anchor right on
top of me that causes me to make valid observations
about them and the pathetic, self-centered nature
of their lubberly actions.

S.Simon


"The Carrolls" wrote in message
...
As often as your boat moves, you will never need to worry about tieing
next
to him, so why are you bitching.
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...




"Ian Sandell" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:28:49 +0100, "Ric" wrote:



They're sailing in the tropics and I'd imagine will be spending a
lot
of
time swimming/diving and then showering with fresh, so they will
probably
use more than your consumption in the north Atlantic. In summer in
the
Med I
get through about 60l per day though it would be nice to have 100l
a
day and
just not have to ration it at all.

How much? What do you do with 100l a day - bath in it?

For showers, use sal****er shampoo, then rinse with a litre of
fresh.


Energy hogs are what we're talking about here. This is the type
of person who owns a sailboat that NEVER stops running machinery
of one sort of another. There is a noisy and smelly diesel generator
going 24/7, there is a noisy wind generator or two. There are
loud stereos blaring most of the night, dogs barking, people
hollering, etc. Add to this anchor chains rattling in the middle
of the night because the big noisy boat is dragging because no
proper anchor is shipped.

It's all about priorities. Anyone whose major concern is bathing
and consuming ridiculous quantities of water and making a bad
neighbor out of himself in any anchorage is no sailor. He's just
another lubber extending his obnoxious act out onto the water
where most people go to get away from his type and the lessening
of quality of life he provides.

S.Simon

What again? Another thread on Watermakers?
 

Making water with a beer keg in 700 feet of water is meant
to be a parody. Making water with expensive reverse osmosis
energy hogs is about as stupid and impractical, or more so.

Typical lubber sailor attitude is bringing the shore power and
all the shore crap like showers out on the water where there
is no place for them. Think about the fact that rain comes out
of the sky. Think about the fact that all the fresh water one
could possibly need on a sailboat can be collected from that
which falls out of the sky. Anything else that makes noise
and disturbs others is an abomination.

S.Simon


"The Carrolls" wrote in message ...
You once said you could make water with an old beer keg, membrane and
waterdepth of over 700 feet. Didn't need electricity at all, according to
you.
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
But that idiot was talking about 50 to 100 liters a day per person
with four persons aboard.

Making that much water takes a generator to provide that kind of energy.

S.Simon


"Ric" wrote in message
...

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

If you ever did anything but hang out here and post
inane thoughts you might realize that when I get
settled down in a nice, quiet, snug anchorage after
a day's cruising be it in the Bahamas, the Keys
or anywhere along the U.S. Gulf and East Coasts it's
these noisy idiots who come in and anchor right on
top of me that causes me to make valid observations
about them and the pathetic, self-centered nature
of their lubberly actions.

I'd agree with you totally. There is nothing worse than people running
generators or main motors to make electricity. But you can still run a
watermaker on 12v - the Katadyn 40E makes 15l/hour on 12v/5A and the
Livol
makes 30l/hour on 12v/8A, both of which can therefore easily be powered
by
solar and fan.

What again? Another thread on Watermakers?
 

You once said you could make water with an old beer keg, membrane and
waterdepth of over 700 feet. Didn't need electricity at all, according to
you.


And the missing ingredient...Beldoroff, The Magic Elf.

RB

What again? Another thread on Watermakers?
 

Making water with a beer keg in 700 feet of water is meant
to be a parody.


Which in turn is meant to be funny. It was. Everyone laughed at you.

RB

What again? Another thread on Watermakers?
 

The best one made, but made no longer, was produced in Bellingham, WA. A
simple still and condensor system with fitting to attach to a pressure
cooker. The coil, exiting from the center made every increasing circles and
ended up pointing down into the receiving unit (glass, cup, what have you),
The twist was a series of square fins slid over the coil. Each one had a
die punched hole in the center which caused a slight turn so as to follow
the coil. This die punched center also allowed a metal to metal fit with
the coil that encourage the transfer of heat energy from steam to coil
tubing wall to fins. A nice flow of air over the 16-18" diamerter by 4"
high saucer shaped device increased efficiency. Using the pressure cooker
increased time needed and efficiency as well. For a small amount of fuel
one could produce 1 gallon of water per hour. Water was pure too! Never
could figure out why they went of production and business. Maybe Ole Thom
can track it down since he's from that area? Anyway I had mine made from
scratch and included the pressure cooker device in the coupling that keeps
it closed until a certain temperature state is reached; i.e. evaporation.
If it cools the device closes. Haven't reached one gallon per hour but
nearer 3/4 gallon. Neat thing is when it starts working efficiently the end
flow is almost a steady stream not the expected dripdrip drip etc.

MST

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The last time we passed your mooring we were doing 9 knots under sail
(Lignumvitae key to Coconut Grove), The miasma was so overpowering we turned on
the engines to gain an extra knot.

It is true that anyone with a draft of more than about 4 feet would be happier
with the outside route, Hawk Channel.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Trouble is people like Jeff Morris who motor catamarans
up and down the ditch seek out shallow water harbors.

S.Simon


"The Carrolls" wrote in message
...
Why on earth would any one who could afford a boat large enough to support a
genset be caught in the same swamp as your self?
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

If you ever did anything but hang out here and post
inane thoughts you might realize that when I get
settled down in a nice, quiet, snug anchorage after
a day's cruising be it in the Bahamas, the Keys
or anywhere along the U.S. Gulf and East Coasts it's
these noisy idiots who come in and anchor right on
top of me that causes me to make valid observations
about them and the pathetic, self-centered nature
of their lubberly actions.

S.Simon


"The Carrolls" wrote in message
...
As often as your boat moves, you will never need to worry about tieing
next
to him, so why are you bitching.
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...




"Ian Sandell" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:28:49 +0100, "Ric" wrote:



They're sailing in the tropics and I'd imagine will be spending a
lot
of
time swimming/diving and then showering with fresh, so they will
probably
use more than your consumption in the north Atlantic. In summer in
the
Med I
get through about 60l per day though it would be nice to have 100l
a
day and
just not have to ration it at all.

How much? What do you do with 100l a day - bath in it?

For showers, use sal****er shampoo, then rinse with a litre of
fresh.


Energy hogs are what we're talking about here. This is the type
of person who owns a sailboat that NEVER stops running machinery
of one sort of another. There is a noisy and smelly diesel generator
going 24/7, there is a noisy wind generator or two. There are
loud stereos blaring most of the night, dogs barking, people
hollering, etc. Add to this anchor chains rattling in the middle
of the night because the big noisy boat is dragging because no
proper anchor is shipped.

It's all about priorities. Anyone whose major concern is bathing
and consuming ridiculous quantities of water and making a bad
neighbor out of himself in any anchorage is no sailor. He's just
another lubber extending his obnoxious act out onto the water
where most people go to get away from his type and the lessening
of quality of life he provides.

S.Simon

What again? Another thread on Watermakers?
 

They work real good for making a fine moonshine also.
"Schoonertrash" wrote in message
...
The best one made, but made no longer, was produced in Bellingham, WA. A
simple still and condensor system with fitting to attach to a pressure
cooker. The coil, exiting from the center made every increasing circles
and
ended up pointing down into the receiving unit (glass, cup, what have
you),
The twist was a series of square fins slid over the coil. Each one had a
die punched hole in the center which caused a slight turn so as to follow
the coil. This die punched center also allowed a metal to metal fit with
the coil that encourage the transfer of heat energy from steam to coil
tubing wall to fins. A nice flow of air over the 16-18" diamerter by 4"
high saucer shaped device increased efficiency. Using the pressure cooker
increased time needed and efficiency as well. For a small amount of fuel
one could produce 1 gallon of water per hour. Water was pure too! Never
could figure out why they went of production and business. Maybe Ole Thom
can track it down since he's from that area? Anyway I had mine made from
scratch and included the pressure cooker device in the coupling that keeps
it closed until a certain temperature state is reached; i.e. evaporation.
If it cools the device closes. Haven't reached one gallon per hour but
nearer 3/4 gallon. Neat thing is when it starts working efficiently the
end
flow is almost a steady stream not the expected dripdrip drip etc.

MST