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Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
Well are they?
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Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
Very much so.
Poppa "The Carrolls" wrote in message ... Well are they? |
Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
Why? I am not a racer, they cost about 40% more than dacron, what do I get
for my money? "Poppa Pimple" wrote in message hlink.net... Very much so. Poppa "The Carrolls" wrote in message ... Well are they? |
Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
Superior light air performance. 40% amortized over the life of the sail is
zilch. Also look at resale value. Poppa "The Carrolls" wrote in message ... Why? I am not a racer, they cost about 40% more than dacron, what do I get for my money? "Poppa Pimple" wrote in message hlink.net... Very much so. Poppa "The Carrolls" wrote in message ... Well are they? |
Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
What you using them for?
Cheers MC The Carrolls wrote: Well are they? |
Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
Poppa Pimple wrote: Superior light air performance. 40% amortized over the shorter life of the sail is not zilch. Also look at no resale value. Poppa |
Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
I'm not gonna sell them, I may wear them out. Light air is not a real
problem with me. "Poppa Pimple" wrote in message hlink.net... Superior light air performance. 40% amortized over the life of the sail is zilch. Also look at resale value. Poppa "The Carrolls" wrote in message ... Why? I am not a racer, they cost about 40% more than dacron, what do I get for my money? "Poppa Pimple" wrote in message hlink.net... Very much so. Poppa "The Carrolls" wrote in message ... Well are they? |
Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
cruising, weekending. You are the first to ask. Cheers to you Wes
"The_navigator©" wrote in message ... What you using them for? Cheers MC The Carrolls wrote: Well are they? |
Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
If you're racing yes, if not, probably no. I read an article a while back
from someone that was primarily cruising and they claimed otherwise, will see if I can locate the article, was published in "Sail". John Cairns "The Carrolls" wrote in message ... Well are they? |
Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
For your use, no.
Cheers MC The Carrolls wrote: cruising, weekending. You are the first to ask. Cheers to you Wes "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... What you using them for? Cheers MC The Carrolls wrote: Well are they? |
Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
I'm not gonna sell them, I may wear them out. Light air is not a real
problem with me. Nope, your problem appears to be hot air. RB |
Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
Why? I am not a racer, they cost about 40% more than dacron, what do I get
for my money? Not true. Mylar doesn't cost 40% more than a quality Dacron sail. 40% more than a crap Dacron sail .... maybe. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
Mylar's main advantage is a longer PERFORMANCE life.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
I would say no, unless you've got money to burn and race a lot.
"The Carrolls" wrote in message ... Well are they? |
Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
he seems to be
Donals Dilemma wrote in message ... On 03 Dec 2003 04:59:34 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote: I'm not gonna sell them, I may wear them out. Light air is not a real problem with me. Nope, your problem appears to be hot air. RB Awww you blowing in his ear again Bubbles? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
Nope, your problem appears to be hot air.
RB Awww you blowing in his ear again Bubbles? Dandy Donal's fantasy. Sad. RB |
Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
SAIL LOCO wrote:
Mylar's main advantage is a longer PERFORMANCE life. Right, they hold their shape longer. They are also more consistent with regard to shape, ie if you set the rig up the same way, the sail shape will be closer to the same than Dacron. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
Light air performance? Gimme a break with that!
I bet NONE of these wannabe sailors around here do anything in light air but crank up the motor. I've yet to see any diesel sailboat sailing at one or two knot. To the boat they use the iron jenny with a wind-up jenny flapping in the apparent breeze. Unless you race, Mylar is not worth the money and maintenance problems. S.Simon "Poppa Pimple" wrote in message hlink.net... Superior light air performance. 40% amortized over the life of the sail is zilch. Also look at resale value. Poppa "The Carrolls" wrote in message ... Why? I am not a racer, they cost about 40% more than dacron, what do I get for my money? "Poppa Pimple" wrote in message hlink.net... Very much so. Poppa "The Carrolls" wrote in message ... Well are they? |
Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
I'm a cruising sailor who has little need for
hi-tech racing crap and even less use for comments such as yours from the Peanut Gallery. How the hell does a cruising sailor store a Mylar sail on the boom without causing damage? The only way to store Mylar safely is rolled in a loose role. S.Simon wrote in message ... On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 12:10:55 -0500, "Simple Simon" wrote: Light air performance? Gimme a break with that! Obviously, high tech sails are not part of your meager sailing experience. BB |
Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
wrote in message ... On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 12:39:57 -0500, "Simple Simon" wrote: I'm a cruising sailor who has little need for hi-tech racing crap and even less use for comments such as yours from the Peanut Gallery. Actually, you are no sailor at all. That's why you know so little about sailing. How the hell does a cruising sailor store a Mylar sail on the boom without causing damage? See if you can figure out a solution to this intractable problem! LOL! Go ahead and laugh you sorry PUTZ! You only demonstrate how completely ignorant you are about cruising. It is clear to me that you have never had the guts to go cruising. You are just another wannabe, landlocked daysailor like most of the others around here. A cruising sailor needs to have his sails at the ready when he's anchored for the night, for example, in case a storm comes up and he has to get underway in a hurry so as not to be exposed on a lee shore. With a stupid Mylar sail stored rolled around the boom the cruising sailor would have to spend valuable time struggling to get the damned thing back into or onto the track which means feeding slugs or slides and hoping things don't jam in the process. This is not anything a smart cruiser would volunteer for. It is only daysailors and racers who can abide this type of dangerous system just so they can claim a few tenths of a knot more speed around the buoys. Pathetic and lubberly the whole way round. S.Simon |
Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
You
are just another wannabe, landlocked daysailor like most of the others around here. In all the YEARS I've been posting here you have yet to go ANYWHERE. Other's have posted short trip accounts with pics. My little trip to the Thimble Islands was TINY, but still more sailing than you've been doing. You've claimed that you'd be soon setting off, but never have. Your credibility here is ZERO. RB |
Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
Hey, stupid, I spent six months cruising the Bahamas last year
and even posted links to pictures and cruising logs. Where were you? At MacDonald's stuffing your face? Or maybe you and BillyJane were fornicating? S.Simon "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... You are just another wannabe, landlocked daysailor like most of the others around here. In all the YEARS I've been posting here you have yet to go ANYWHERE. Other's have posted short trip accounts with pics. My little trip to the Thimble Islands was TINY, but still more sailing than you've been doing. You've claimed that you'd be soon setting off, but never have. Your credibility here is ZERO. RB |
Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
Hey, stupid, I spent six months cruising the Bahamas last year
and even posted links to pictures and cruising logs. 6 months, while still posting daily? Oh, I see. RB |
Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
The only way
to store Mylar safely is rolled in a loose role. Yes, it's like old nitrate film stock. It's quite dangerous when rolled tightly! RB |
Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
How the hell does a cruising sailor store a Mylar sail
on the boom without causing damage? Not true. Hell, I know people who flake Kevlar mains on the boom. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
If it's a wind up jenny why is it left flapping?
Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: Light air performance? Gimme a break with that! I bet NONE of these wannabe sailors around here do anything in light air but crank up the motor. I've yet to see any diesel sailboat sailing at one or two knot. To the boat they use the iron jenny with a wind-up jenny flapping in the apparent breeze. Unless you race, Mylar is not worth the money and maintenance problems. S.Simon "Poppa Pimple" wrote in message hlink.net... Superior light air performance. 40% amortized over the life of the sail is zilch. Also look at resale value. Poppa "The Carrolls" wrote in message .. . Why? I am not a racer, they cost about 40% more than dacron, what do I get for my money? "Poppa Pimple" wrote in message arthlink.net... Very much so. Poppa "The Carrolls" wrote in message .. . Well are they? |
Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
Mylar has a memory, stupid. Roll it too tightly and it tends to
want to stay that way. Since it is a laminate in the case of sails, tightly rolling it has a tendency to cause delamination. Lord, but you people are idiots. S.Simon "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... The only way to store Mylar safely is rolled in a loose role. Yes, it's like old nitrate film stock. It's quite dangerous when rolled tightly! RB |
Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
It is clear
to me that you have never had the guts to go cruising.. Most people here like to bathe every day. Go cruising. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
Then you know sailors who are not concerned about
the longevity of their sails . . . S.Simon "SAIL LOCO" wrote in message ... How the hell does a cruising sailor store a Mylar sail on the boom without causing damage? Not true. Hell, I know people who flake Kevlar mains on the boom. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
Because there are all too many sailors, Booby for example,
who pretend to sail so they can think they are impressing others viewing from a distance. Many are also ignorant as to the COLREGS and think if they have a sail up they are a sailboat and have the right of way over other traffic. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... If it's a wind up jenny why is it left flapping? Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: Light air performance? Gimme a break with that! I bet NONE of these wannabe sailors around here do anything in light air but crank up the motor. I've yet to see any diesel sailboat sailing at one or two knot. To the boat they use the iron jenny with a wind-up jenny flapping in the apparent breeze. Unless you race, Mylar is not worth the money and maintenance problems. S.Simon "Poppa Pimple" wrote in message hlink.net... Superior light air performance. 40% amortized over the life of the sail is zilch. Also look at resale value. Poppa "The Carrolls" wrote in message .. . Why? I am not a racer, they cost about 40% more than dacron, what do I get for my money? "Poppa Pimple" wrote in message arthlink.net... Very much so. Poppa "The Carrolls" wrote in message .. . Well are they? |
Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
I don't know about you but if one can sail in it one
can also bathe in it. S.Simon "SAIL LOCO" wrote in message ... It is clear to me that you have never had the guts to go cruising.. Most people here like to bathe every day. Go cruising. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
from: http://www.baconsails.com/pokefaq.html
Sails of Mylar: Most racing headsails and some mains are now built of the plastic film known as Mylar. Early mylar sails have a very limited life (1 season). Today’s Mylar sails are more durable. Examine mylar sails for extreme stress lines. You will usually find delamination started along the stress lines. Now check the stress area near head and clew. If the stitch holes are elongated, the sail is over-stressed. Next look for delamination. A few (2-3) small flakes can be patched. Sails showing these faults have no resale value. "SAIL LOCO" wrote in message ... How the hell does a cruising sailor store a Mylar sail on the boom without causing damage? Not true. Hell, I know people who flake Kevlar mains on the boom. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
Perhaps they are just lazy like Booby and DSK (who prefers to motor and
pollute everywhere)? Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: Because there are all too many sailors, Booby for example, who pretend to sail so they can think they are impressing others viewing from a distance. Many are also ignorant as to the COLREGS and think if they have a sail up they are a sailboat and have the right of way over other traffic. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... If it's a wind up jenny why is it left flapping? Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: Light air performance? Gimme a break with that! I bet NONE of these wannabe sailors around here do anything in light air but crank up the motor. I've yet to see any diesel sailboat sailing at one or two knot. To the boat they use the iron jenny with a wind-up jenny flapping in the apparent breeze. Unless you race, Mylar is not worth the money and maintenance problems. S.Simon "Poppa Pimple" wrote in message thlink.net... Superior light air performance. 40% amortized over the life of the sail is zilch. Also look at resale value. Poppa "The Carrolls" wrote in message .. . Why? I am not a racer, they cost about 40% more than dacron, what do I get for my money? "Poppa Pimple" wrote in message .earthlink.net... Very much so. Poppa "The Carrolls" wrote in message ... Well are they? |
Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
From: http://www.northsails.co.uk/media/articles/sailcare.htm
MYLAR Sails made of Mylar film laminated to a polyester substrate provide good strength for their weight, but they are also relatively fragile, so it's wise to: 1.. Never exceed your sail's recommended wind range; 2.. Never use a genoa that doesn't have spreader patches; 3.. Don't flog the sail unnecessarily; 4.. Don't overstretch the luff of a Mylar sail. Mylar sails need only a bit of luff tension to position the draft correctly. Therefore, tension the halyard and Cunningham only enough to remove horizontal wrinkles from the luff. Mark the genoa halyard so you don't over-tension it when coming into the leeward mark. There are other precautions you should take with Mylar sails. Don't let any solvents (such as diesel fuel or cleaning agents) get on them, because these will dissolve the glue and cause separation. Mylar film is sensitive to heat, so be sure not to let your sail touch any part of the engine or even rest against an interior. S.Simon "SAIL LOCO" wrote in message ... How the hell does a cruising sailor store a Mylar sail on the boom without causing damage? Not true. Hell, I know people who flake Kevlar mains on the boom. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
Mylar has a memory, stupid.
How long does Mylar need to retain a form/shape/bend? RB |
Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
From: http://www.sailingsource.com/neilpryde/manual/tips.htm
Storing sails Very firm finished racing fabric should be rolled wherever possible, as folding will lead to creases which will not come out. Laminated sails of Kevlar or Mylar can be left stowed in their sausage bags. Cruising sails should always be folded, or at least stowed on the boom (in which case they must always be covered). Do you even know what a sausage bag is? Yes, it is a long, thin bag suitable for storing a rolled up sail. I think I have proven by these links I have posted here how ignorant even you racers are about sails. S.Simon - knows much more than you might wish to think he does. "SAIL LOCO" wrote in message ... How the hell does a cruising sailor store a Mylar sail on the boom without causing damage? Not true. Hell, I know people who flake Kevlar mains on the boom. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
That is also true . . .
"The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Perhaps they are just lazy like Booby and DSK (who prefers to motor and pollute everywhere)? Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: Because there are all too many sailors, Booby for example, who pretend to sail so they can think they are impressing others viewing from a distance. Many are also ignorant as to the COLREGS and think if they have a sail up they are a sailboat and have the right of way over other traffic. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... If it's a wind up jenny why is it left flapping? Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: Light air performance? Gimme a break with that! I bet NONE of these wannabe sailors around here do anything in light air but crank up the motor. I've yet to see any diesel sailboat sailing at one or two knot. To the boat they use the iron jenny with a wind-up jenny flapping in the apparent breeze. Unless you race, Mylar is not worth the money and maintenance problems. S.Simon "Poppa Pimple" wrote in message thlink.net... Superior light air performance. 40% amortized over the life of the sail is zilch. Also look at resale value. Poppa "The Carrolls" wrote in message .. . Why? I am not a racer, they cost about 40% more than dacron, what do I get for my money? "Poppa Pimple" wrote in message .earthlink.net... Very much so. Poppa "The Carrolls" wrote in message ... Well are they? |
Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
I don't know the technical details but I do know that
heat exacerbates the tendency of a roll of it wishing to remain curled up. It is best to roll it loosely rather than tightly. This is pretty much the case with most any plastic. S.Simon "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Mylar has a memory, stupid. How long does Mylar need to retain a form/shape/bend? RB |
Mylar Sails, Worth the cost?
Woven plastic and sheet plastic have different
properties. Woven plastic does not have to bend, it can flex along the weave. Duh! S.Simon Donals Dilemma wrote in message ... On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:25:51 -0500, "Simple Simon" wrote: I don't know the technical details but I do know that heat exacerbates the tendency of a roll of it wishing to remain curled up. It is best to roll it loosely rather than tightly. This is pretty much the case with most any plastic. S.Simon Hmmmmmm now exactly what is Dacron....eh? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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