Doug great comments on the two boats. 5 pts.

I noticed the R-22 on eBay sold for $1822.
That is a fine deal for a small keelboat
and trailer.

I find it hard to believe it won't plane in
20+ knots. I can believe it would tend
to squirrel around with a spinnaker.

Bart

DSK wrote


N1EE wrote:

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The Ranger 22 is basically a midget
IOR boat with a fractional rig.

Yep. It's actually kind of a mismatch between hull &
rig. It doesn't really sail like a frac rig because
the boom is so short & the mainsail is not where the
horsepower comes from.


The R-22 has my preferred style, mid
cockpit traveller which gives you
something to hang onto while sailing
to weather in the chop, but might snag
you on the unexpected gybe.

One of the issues here is that the R-22 cockpit is
very small. The footwell aft of the traveller is
restricive to the helmsman. It's not a good
daysailing boat for more than three people and I
found steering from the footwel takes a bit of
getting used to.


The R-23 has a longer waterline--20' vs
17.5', so I suspect it is a faster boat,

The Ranger 23 generally rates a bit lower then the
R-22 so most PHRF committees think they are a bit
faster too.


... R-22 has more appeal and I
think it would be lightning fast in
planing conditions with a spinnaker.

Bzzt thanks for playing. The Ranger 22 isn't going to
plane at all. The hull shape is an IOR shape,
remember? It not a full fledged broach coach but it
does get a bit unruly under spinnaker, and will
obstinantely refuse to plane even with big waves & 25
knot wind pushing the spinnaker.

But it is a very fun boat to sail.

Comparing the Ranger 23 to the 22... the R23 is a
much bigger boat. The cabin & cockpit are much
roomier. Almost unbelievable. I think that under some
conditions the Ranger 22 is faster but for most the
R23 would win. It's also much more straighforward to
sail. It's a much plainer looking boat but very
practical. The Ranger 23 is the smaller sister of the
Ranger 26, R-29, and R-33 that were popular
racer/cruisers and are among the better of that
class.

Thanks for the bio on Gary Mull, he was a great
designer.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

N1EE wrote:

Doug great comments on the two boats. 5 pts.

Thanks what are the overall scores now?



I noticed the R-22 on eBay sold for $1822.
That is a fine deal for a small keelboat
and trailer.

If it's in shape to sail, I'd agree. The trailer would be a
good deal (if in decent shape) at that price. However the
sailboat market is really in the dumper right now.
Everybody who wants a boat badly enough to actually pay for
one, already has one (or in most cases more than one).




I find it hard to believe it won't plane in
20+ knots.

The hull isn't shaped for any kind of lift. The stern pulls
up a walloping big roiling wake. You can feel the boat sort
of shudder and try to break loose, but it won't. We have
hit 7.5 knots which is faster than hull speed, but we were
pulling a huge noisy pile of boiling water and definitely
not planing.

Contrast that with the Johnson 18 which planes at the drop
of a hat (so to speak) an leaves a smooth flat bubbly wake
behind it.


I can believe it would tend
to squirrel around with a spinnaker.

It's not as bad as some, like say for example the Ranger 37
which is the bubble-sided IOR shape of an earlier
generation than the R-22. Those darn things go downwind
like dog in a cow pasture, always stopping to roll in the
patties. It takes a blooper to tame them.

If you look, you can see photos of racing boats in that era
(mid 1970s) sailing downwind in fine weather with their
bloopers set flying and their mains half dropped. Most of
them went upwind as though on rails but didn't like going
the other way (or at least, didn't like going fast).

One of the nicest things IMHO about an asymmetric spinnaker
is that it does not produce any inclination to broach,
unlike a big masthead tri radial spinnaker.

The R-22 is a cool little boat.
http://community.webshots.com/album/76563516CcbaFc
Apologies if you've seen these pics before, this is my
friends boat and some shots of one of the days we went
sailing... and also proved it wouldn't plane, but
unfortunately I was too busy to take pictures while we were
flying the spinnaker.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

DSK wrote

N1EE wrote:

Doug great comments on the two boats. 5 pts.

Thanks what are the overall scores now?

I have no idea. I think you are ahead by 2 points.

I'll leave that to someone else to ad them up.

Bart