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I don't care if Bush went to Iraq for a PR plug or any other reason. I'm sure
it made those American's feel better on Thanksgiving day, so far from home and
families.

I don't like Bush or his politics, but unlike Neal I give credit when it's due.
Bravo to mister Bush for his generous trip.

Capt RB

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I don't care if Bush went to Iraq for a PR plug or any other reason.
I'm sure it made those American's feel better on Thanksgiving day, so
far from home and families.

I don't like Bush or his politics, but unlike Neal I give credit when
it's due. Bravo to mister Bush for his generous trip.

Capt RB

Very magnanimous. New prescription from the shrink?

tw


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I think it was the height of foolishness and bravado. Bush, despite the fact
that I despise him, has NO business putting his life at risk. Just like he
had
no business landing on the carrier. That was a gimic and set up. This was
just stupid. Despite the somewhat bad press he got right after 911, I think
his staying away from DC was the right thing to do. Sure, it made him look
like the little wimp he is, but that should be secondary to not dying.

"two wheels" wrote in message
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On 29 Nov 2003 20:26:42 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:


I don't care if Bush went to Iraq for a PR plug or any other reason.
I'm sure it made those American's feel better on Thanksgiving day, so
far from home and families.

I don't like Bush or his politics, but unlike Neal I give credit when
it's due. Bravo to mister Bush for his generous trip.

Capt RB

Very magnanimous. New prescription from the shrink?

tw


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You're just ****ed because your man 'Gray Out' Davis is
out for the count. Beaten to a pulp by a pulp fiction
star. It doesn't get any more pathetic than that for
you liberal losers . . .

S.Simon


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
I think it was the height of foolishness and bravado. Bush, despite the fact
that I despise him, has NO business putting his life at risk. Just like he
had
no business landing on the carrier. That was a gimic and set up. This was
just stupid. Despite the somewhat bad press he got right after 911, I think
his staying away from DC was the right thing to do. Sure, it made him look
like the little wimp he is, but that should be secondary to not dying.

"two wheels" wrote in message
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On 29 Nov 2003 20:26:42 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:


I don't care if Bush went to Iraq for a PR plug or any other reason.
I'm sure it made those American's feel better on Thanksgiving day, so
far from home and families.

I don't like Bush or his politics, but unlike Neal I give credit when
it's due. Bravo to mister Bush for his generous trip.

Capt RB

Very magnanimous. New prescription from the shrink?

tw


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You're learning, at least. When one stands behind
a great man one tends to share in the greatness and
all the good it stands for. It's hard to understand
why a small vocal minority insists upon being on the
wrong side of every important issue. It's people
like that who define the term 'miserable pessimists".

S.Simon


"Bobsprit" wrote in message ...

I don't care if Bush went to Iraq for a PR plug or any other reason. I'm sure
it made those American's feel better on Thanksgiving day, so far from home and
families.

I don't like Bush or his politics, but unlike Neal I give credit when it's due.
Bravo to mister Bush for his generous trip.

Capt RB

Credit where it's Due
 

It certainly was pathetic. An action figure, who's major muscle
between his ears is the only one that seems to have atrified. I'm
still waiting for the Attorney General or some local prosecuter to
have him arrested for groping. It seems several of the cases are
still within the statue of limitations. Maybe he and Michael Jackson
will share a cell.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
You're just ****ed because your man 'Gray Out' Davis is
out for the count. Beaten to a pulp by a pulp fiction
star. It doesn't get any more pathetic than that for
you liberal losers . . .

S.Simon


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
I think it was the height of foolishness and bravado. Bush, despite the
fact
that I despise him, has NO business putting his life at risk. Just like
he
had
no business landing on the carrier. That was a gimic and set up. This
was
just stupid. Despite the somewhat bad press he got right after 911, I
think
his staying away from DC was the right thing to do. Sure, it made him
look
like the little wimp he is, but that should be secondary to not dying.

"two wheels" wrote in message
...
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On 29 Nov 2003 20:26:42 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:


I don't care if Bush went to Iraq for a PR plug or any other reason.
I'm sure it made those American's feel better on Thanksgiving day, so
far from home and families.

I don't like Bush or his politics, but unlike Neal I give credit when
it's due. Bravo to mister Bush for his generous trip.

Capt RB

Very magnanimous. New prescription from the shrink?

tw


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It is no wonder that Bob is standing behind you.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
You're learning, at least. When one stands behind
a great man one tends to share in the greatness and
all the good it stands for. It's hard to understand
why a small vocal minority insists upon being on the
wrong side of every important issue. It's people
like that who define the term 'miserable pessimists".

S.Simon


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...

I don't care if Bush went to Iraq for a PR plug or any other reason. I'm
sure
it made those American's feel better on Thanksgiving day, so far from
home and
families.

I don't like Bush or his politics, but unlike Neal I give credit when
it's due.
Bravo to mister Bush for his generous trip.

Capt RB

Credit where it's Due
 

I think it was the height of foolishness and bravado. Bush, despite the fact
that I despise him, has NO business putting his life at risk.


Jonathan, you should know by now that I'm no fan of Bush. But I can see a
single act as being positive. Bush was not at risk. They took every precaution
and probably many we'll never know about. By suggesting that he put his life at
risk, you only amplify the nature of the act. I think all he risked, was
****ing off his family, but that also deserves credit.
It's fine to be anti-government, but less that productive to be anti-American.
Bush cheered up a lot of American troops yesterday.

RB

Credit where it's Due
 

I'm not trying to amplify it. If that's what I did, it was unintentional.
He's an idiot for doing it. Just because his protection is good, doesn't
make it perfect.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I think it was the height of foolishness and bravado. Bush, despite the
fact
that I despise him, has NO business putting his life at risk.


Jonathan, you should know by now that I'm no fan of Bush. But I can see a
single act as being positive. Bush was not at risk. They took every
precaution
and probably many we'll never know about. By suggesting that he put his
life at
risk, you only amplify the nature of the act. I think all he risked, was
****ing off his family, but that also deserves credit.
It's fine to be anti-government, but less that productive to be
anti-American.
Bush cheered up a lot of American troops yesterday.

RB

Credit where it's Due
 

I'm not trying to amplify it. If that's what I did, it was unintentional.
He's an idiot for doing it. Just because his protection is good, doesn't
make it perfect.

By that logic he should never fly. If there was any reasonable risk he wouldn't
have gone. The very fact that he went proves that. The man does very few
positive things, but I'm not so biased that I can't see it when it happens.
Since nothing bad happened and the troops were cheered, it was a "positive"
event.

RB

Credit where it's Due
 

Generous? Using taxpayer money in gargantuan amounts to stage a photo op for
future campaign commercials is generous?


Bill, consider this:
Even if Bush was there for a photo op, the RESULT is still the same. Some very
isolated and lonely American soldiers felt better on a Holiday far from home.

This one isn't about politics and Bush is busy wasting away our country in
other more useless ways.

RB

Credit where it's Due
 

I too am not a Bush supporter, but I have to agree it was a grand gesture to
the troops, and deserves to be appaluded. Certianly a positive.
"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I'm not trying to amplify it. If that's what I did, it was unintentional.
He's an idiot for doing it. Just because his protection is good, doesn't
make it perfect.

By that logic he should never fly. If there was any reasonable risk he
wouldn't
have gone. The very fact that he went proves that. The man does very few
positive things, but I'm not so biased that I can't see it when it
happens.
Since nothing bad happened and the troops were cheered, it was a
"positive"
event.

RB

Credit where it's Due
 

We could have saved the taxpayers millions of dollars and made those guys a lot
happier by sending Halle Berry over


I've met her. She's quite an unhappy person and tends to let people know it.


RB

Credit where it's Due
 

This was ALL about politics - nothing else.


I'm not disputing what it's about. I'm simply pointing out that it did have a
positive effect on the troops.


RB

Credit where it's Due
 

Bush wouldn't have even made the
trip at all unless he heard first that Hillary was about to beat him there.

Hillary also went to Iraq?

RB

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On 30 Nov 2003 18:37:05 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:

Generous? Using taxpayer money in gargantuan amounts to stage a photo
op for future campaign commercials is generous?


Bill, consider this:
Even if Bush was there for a photo op, the RESULT is still the same.
Some very isolated and lonely American soldiers felt better on a
Holiday far from home.

This one isn't about politics and Bush is busy wasting away our
country in other more useless ways.

RB

We could have saved the taxpayers millions of dollars and made those
guys a lot happier by sending Halle Berry over, or better yet,
bringing them home to their families.

This was ALL about politics - nothing else. Bush wouldn't have even
made the trip at all unless he heard first that Hillary was about to
beat him there.

BB

I think it's great that both of them went. Democrat soldiers got to see
Hillary--one of their political heroes. Republican soldiers ( the
majority :-) ) got to see their Commander-in-Chief and the Leader of
the Republican Party in this tight election year. In both cases, the
troops see that they're appreciated, and not forgotten. The more US
politicians that go, the better, and the more insignificant they are
(smaller targets) the luckier they are, because they get to spend more
time looking around in Iraq.

two wheels


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The "positive effect" on troops is wide open to debate as well. There are many
things that could have had a much more positive effect on the troops than a
visit from the draft-evader-in-chief, who put them in harms way for absolutely
no good reason. You are much too easily taken in by political glad-handing.

No, Bill. I'm just being realistic. Of course there's politics in actions from
politicians. And now you want to debate the level of positive effect? How does
that matter? I simply said it had a positive effect and that's that. I honestly
don't think sending a movie star over would be very inspiring.
Again I dislike Bush, probably far more than you do. But I can still be
objective and not turn his every action into something negative.

RB

Credit where it's Due
 

the
troops see that they're appreciated, and not forgotten.

Exactly. I don't care about the politcial pink politics. That's all smoke and
mirrors anyway. I DO care about the troops and both trips by Hillary and Bush
gave many of them a boost.
Critique the motive till you turn purple, but there was a positive effect.

RB

Credit where it's Due
 

No, Bill. I'm just being realistic.

No, you are doing exactly what the very cynical Bush machine hoped you would
do.

Which is what, Bill? I'd vote for a dried mushroom over Bush, no matter how
many soldiers he cheers up. He PUT THEM THERE afterall. I see the big picture,
but I can still see when something good happens within a realistic context.

My last post on this. The parting comment is all yours.

RB

Credit where it's Due
 

True, but only in retrospect. The Pres has no business risking his life,
which is what he did. Same as the carrier landing... a stunt to get
re-elected.
Nothing more.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I'm not trying to amplify it. If that's what I did, it was unintentional.
He's an idiot for doing it. Just because his protection is good, doesn't
make it perfect.

By that logic he should never fly. If there was any reasonable risk he
wouldn't
have gone. The very fact that he went proves that. The man does very few
positive things, but I'm not so biased that I can't see it when it
happens.
Since nothing bad happened and the troops were cheered, it was a
"positive"
event.

RB

Credit where it's Due
 

Exactly right.

wrote in message
...
On 01 Dec 2003 01:07:15 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:

The "positive effect" on troops is wide open to debate as well. There are
many
things that could have had a much more positive effect on the troops than
a
visit from the draft-evader-in-chief, who put them in harms way for
absolutely
no good reason. You are much too easily taken in by political
glad-handing.

No, Bill. I'm just being realistic.

No, you are doing exactly what the very cynical Bush machine hoped you
would do.

BB

Credit where it's Due
 

Even as a Democrat and Liberal, Hillary is expendable. Bush isn't...
well.....

"two wheels" wrote in message
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:00:09 GMT, wrote:

On 30 Nov 2003 18:37:05 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:

Generous? Using taxpayer money in gargantuan amounts to stage a photo
op for future campaign commercials is generous?


Bill, consider this:
Even if Bush was there for a photo op, the RESULT is still the same.
Some very isolated and lonely American soldiers felt better on a
Holiday far from home.

This one isn't about politics and Bush is busy wasting away our
country in other more useless ways.

RB

We could have saved the taxpayers millions of dollars and made those
guys a lot happier by sending Halle Berry over, or better yet,
bringing them home to their families.

This was ALL about politics - nothing else. Bush wouldn't have even
made the trip at all unless he heard first that Hillary was about to
beat him there.

BB

I think it's great that both of them went. Democrat soldiers got to see
Hillary--one of their political heroes. Republican soldiers ( the
majority :-) ) got to see their Commander-in-Chief and the Leader of
the Republican Party in this tight election year. In both cases, the
troops see that they're appreciated, and not forgotten. The more US
politicians that go, the better, and the more insignificant they are
(smaller targets) the luckier they are, because they get to spend more
time looking around in Iraq.

two wheels


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Ganz, you are an idiot! As soon as ANY President takes
the oath of office he is risking his life. There are all
kinds of people out there who would like to kill any
president for any number of reasons.

S.Simon

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
True, but only in retrospect. The Pres has no business risking his life,
which is what he did. Same as the carrier landing... a stunt to get
re-elected.
Nothing more.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I'm not trying to amplify it. If that's what I did, it was unintentional.
He's an idiot for doing it. Just because his protection is good, doesn't
make it perfect.

By that logic he should never fly. If there was any reasonable risk he
wouldn't
have gone. The very fact that he went proves that. The man does very few
positive things, but I'm not so biased that I can't see it when it
happens.
Since nothing bad happened and the troops were cheered, it was a
"positive"
event.

RB

Credit where it's Due
 

It's no more a waste of money than your monthly
welfare check and certainly far less a waste of
time and space than your bloated, smelly body.

S.Simon


wrote in message ...
It was a cheap political photo op at
taxpayer expense.

BB

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Neal, you are a fool! We all know there's a risk in everyday
life. The point is that he took an unnecessary risk... as much
as I hate him, he is the president.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

Ganz, you are an idiot! As soon as ANY President takes
the oath of office he is risking his life. There are all
kinds of people out there who would like to kill any
president for any number of reasons.

S.Simon

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
True, but only in retrospect. The Pres has no business risking his life,
which is what he did. Same as the carrier landing... a stunt to get
re-elected.
Nothing more.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I'm not trying to amplify it. If that's what I did, it was
unintentional.
He's an idiot for doing it. Just because his protection is good,
doesn't
make it perfect.

By that logic he should never fly. If there was any reasonable risk he
wouldn't
have gone. The very fact that he went proves that. The man does very
few
positive things, but I'm not so biased that I can't see it when it
happens.
Since nothing bad happened and the troops were cheered, it was a
"positive"
event.

RB

Credit where it's Due
 

'Unnecessary' is a word subject to personal interpretation.
You are an overcautious weenie so it stands to reason that
what most people would label an acceptable risk you would
label an unnecessary risk.

Because you haven't risked moving out of Momma's house
doesn't means such a move is unacceptably risky.

S.Simon




"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
Neal, you are a fool! We all know there's a risk in everyday
life. The point is that he took an unnecessary risk... as much
as I hate him, he is the president.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

Ganz, you are an idiot! As soon as ANY President takes
the oath of office he is risking his life. There are all
kinds of people out there who would like to kill any
president for any number of reasons.

S.Simon

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
True, but only in retrospect. The Pres has no business risking his life,
which is what he did. Same as the carrier landing... a stunt to get
re-elected.
Nothing more.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I'm not trying to amplify it. If that's what I did, it was
unintentional.
He's an idiot for doing it. Just because his protection is good,
doesn't
make it perfect.

By that logic he should never fly. If there was any reasonable risk he
wouldn't
have gone. The very fact that he went proves that. The man does very
few
positive things, but I'm not so biased that I can't see it when it
happens.
Since nothing bad happened and the troops were cheered, it was a
"positive"
event.

RB

Credit where it's Due
 

Yes, it's open to interpretation. The people who protect
the pres generally don't like "adventures" to dangerous
places, and Iraq is still quite dangerous. Hell, they don't
even like it when the pres travels to texas.

The fact is that you're the weenie. You never leave your
mooring, have no social life, and read meters for a living.
Your big risk is actually revealing anything about yourself
that is anything more than a homophobic reaction when
you feel threatened either by "liberals" or by anyone else
who doesn't meet your twisted logic of what it is to be
human. For all my dislike of Bushy, at least he's a reformed
drunk, a recovering alcoholic; whereas, you are just a timid
little man/boy.
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
'Unnecessary' is a word subject to personal interpretation.
You are an overcautious weenie so it stands to reason that
what most people would label an acceptable risk you would
label an unnecessary risk.

Because you haven't risked moving out of Momma's house
doesn't means such a move is unacceptably risky.

S.Simon




"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Neal, you are a fool! We all know there's a risk in everyday
life. The point is that he took an unnecessary risk... as much
as I hate him, he is the president.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

Ganz, you are an idiot! As soon as ANY President takes
the oath of office he is risking his life. There are all
kinds of people out there who would like to kill any
president for any number of reasons.

S.Simon

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
True, but only in retrospect. The Pres has no business risking his
life,
which is what he did. Same as the carrier landing... a stunt to get
re-elected.
Nothing more.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I'm not trying to amplify it. If that's what I did, it was
unintentional.
He's an idiot for doing it. Just because his protection is good,
doesn't
make it perfect.

By that logic he should never fly. If there was any reasonable
risk he
wouldn't
have gone. The very fact that he went proves that. The man does
very
few
positive things, but I'm not so biased that I can't see it when it
happens.
Since nothing bad happened and the troops were cheered, it was a
"positive"
event.

RB

Credit where it's Due
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
you are just a timid
little man/boy.

Get ahold of yourself, Ganz. Your homo side is
showing again.

S.Simon

Credit where it's Due
 

As I said, when you decide you have nothing else to add,
you become homophobic. Pathetic! Is this because you've
never been with a woman or is it because you're not able
to perform when you are with one?

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
you are just a timid
little man/boy.

Get ahold of yourself, Ganz. Your homo side is
showing again.

S.Simon

Credit where it's Due
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
As I said, when you decide you have nothing else to add,
you become homophobic. Pathetic! Is this because you've
never been with a woman or is it because you're not able
to perform when you are with one?

You tell me! You're the femophobe!

S.Simon

Credit where it's Due
 

What's a femophobe? If it's someone who's afraid of women, I suppose
you'd be an excellent role model.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
As I said, when you decide you have nothing else to add,
you become homophobic. Pathetic! Is this because you've
never been with a woman or is it because you're not able
to perform when you are with one?

You tell me! You're the femophobe!

S.Simon