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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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Every novice sailor knows this. To do otherwise is just plain slovenly
laziness.


Slovenly laziness is a typical characteristic of the average obese New
Yorker.



Regards


Donal
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But you are behing the camera Booby.

Cheers MC

Bobsprit wrote:

I pointed out the fault in the main Booby.


It's not a "fault" since we are off trim to facilitate the photo.
Yet their are gross errors you seem unable to spot.

RB

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But you are behing the camera Booby.

Yup, after telling Suzanne to steer to starboard to get the sun out from behind
her.
Still waiting to see if you can find ANY serious errors. I've given up on you
finding 11.

RB

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It had worked loose, and fallen out!
I ran forward and caught the bolt in mid air as it rolled off of the drum.

In the same situation, you would have tripped over the fender!

You are ONE clumsy idiot! And sudden gusts do come up, but I've yet to lose any
bolts because I maintain my boat.
You are some awful sailor to lets bolts work loose. I check my boat carefully
on a regular basis. If you did the same a fender on deck would not fill your
heart with terror.

Hoooh ahhh!

RB

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Slovenly laziness is a typical characteristic of the average obese New
Yorker.


Sheesh. I'm in the best shape out of anyone here, so I'm just lazy I guess!
Oh, and at 41 I continue to improve my condition, Donal. Let me know when I'm
supposed to start losing the battle!


RB

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We were. We were only out for an afternoon sail...a couple of hours. No
need to
stow fenders and they're not in the way or impeding the operation of the
boat.

That sort of goes along with the stern ladder.


S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

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Yes, it certainly is poor seamanship. Fenders should be either used
or stowed. They should never be sitting on deck.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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the fender on the sidedeck is very poor seamanship,
I cannot figure out what that pile of string on the coachroof is
I'm surprised at the level of heel in such a light breeze

The fender on deck is certainly "not" very poor seamanship. Wrong.
You can't figure out the pile of "string" even after I identified it?
Level of heel is correct as she's just to put the boat to starboard so the
sun
would be abeam. So wrong again.

RB

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You were not getting ready to use them. You were sailing around
and unless you were planning on docking under full sail with sheets
in tight, they should be stowed. Impeding the operation of the boat
isn't the main issue, and if you sailed more regularly, you would know
that. The main issue is them falling off or getting tripped over when
not in use.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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Fenders should be stowed unless you're
using them or getting ready to use them.

We were. We were only out for an afternoon sail...a couple of hours. No
need to
stow fenders and they're not in the way or impeding the operation of the
boat.

RB

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Donal, it wouldn't have hurt him if he did trip. Given his rotundness,
he would just roll right back up to standing position.

"Jonny Wilkinson" wrote in message
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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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The fender is lying directly in the path of anybody who tries to go
forward
on that side of the boat. Sometimes. you have to go forward in a
hurry.

It's pretty light air, as evident in the pic. Unless you're on cruches,
stepping over the fender is not exactly a challenge. I actuall managed
to
make
it past the deadly plastic obstruction to take the photo.
Please explain how the fender is dangerous for our short day sail.

Geeeze! How can you be so stupid?


Does the wind never increase suddenly in LIS? Do unexpected events never
occur? Let me give you a little example:- Two years ago we were out on a
relatively calm day when I spotted the shackle bolt from the genoa tack
sitting on top of the furling drum. It had worked loose, and fallen out!
I ran forward and caught the bolt in mid air as it rolled off of the drum.

In the same situation, you would have tripped over the fender!


Regards


Donal
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The main issue is them falling off or getting tripped over when
not in use.

They are not in the way, not in the least. They are properly secured and won't
be lost. Outside of the aesthetics, leaving them on deck during a short sail
does no harm. None.

RB

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They should never be sitting on deck.

Still awaiting the reason why. If we were sailing for many hours, it would be
another matter. But a couple of hours in calm conditions? Makes no difference.
And no one can prove otherwise.

RB

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Given his rotundness,
he would just roll right back up to standing position.

Ganzy, my body fat is quite a bit lower than yours. I'm also in better shape
overall.

RB

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Not secured at all. Pants on fire!

Cheers MC

Bobsprit wrote:

The main issue is them falling off or getting tripped over when
not in use.

They are not in the way, not in the least. They are properly secured and won't
be lost. Outside of the aesthetics, leaving them on deck during a short sail
does no harm. None.

RB

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But if you tripped over them and fell overboard you'd sing a different
tune and that _is_ possible admit it. One key to being a good sailor is
anticipation of things going wrong.

Cheers MC

Bobsprit wrote:

They should never be sitting on deck.

Still awaiting the reason why. If we were sailing for many hours, it would be
another matter. But a couple of hours in calm conditions? Makes no difference.
And no one can prove otherwise.

RB

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But if you tripped over them and fell overboard you'd sing a different
tune and that _is_ possible admit it.

I'm going to trip over a big giant blue plastic balloon? Oh, okay! I haven't
tripped or fallen in 5 years! And I mountain bike, run and jog.
How old are you???

RB

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One key to being a good sailor is
anticipation of things going wrong.

Or...in your case, expecting them to go wrong!
Who can blame you!?

RB

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Doesn't matter. One day you will trip over something on deck. It's certain.

Cheers MC

Bobsprit wrote:

But if you tripped over them and fell overboard you'd sing a different
tune and that _is_ possible admit it.

I'm going to trip over a big giant blue plastic balloon? Oh, okay! I haven't
tripped or fallen in 5 years! And I mountain bike, run and jog.
How old are you???

RB

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It wasn't me rushing to the hospital with a self diagnoded heart attack.

Cheers MC

Bobsprit wrote:

One key to being a good sailor is
anticipation of things going wrong.

Or...in your case, expecting them to go wrong!
Who can blame you!?

RB

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Doesn't matter. One day you will trip over something on deck. It's certain.

It'll NEVER happen. I'm simply to coordinated and quick. 6 years ago I fell in
the snow. It took four young and very energetic girls to take me down. They
joined me.

RB

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It wasn't me rushing to the hospital with a self diagnoded heart attack.


Yeah, I "diagnoded" it after I fell over a fender in the bedroom!

Bwahahahahahaha!

RB

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Mark my words. You've not been out in a big sea yet. Everyone falls over
sooner or later, doing it safely is a part of seamanship!

Cheers MC



Bobsprit wrote:

Doesn't matter. One day you will trip over something on deck. It's certain.

It'll NEVER happen. I'm simply to coordinated and quick. 6 years ago I fell in
the snow. It took four young and very energetic girls to take me down. They
joined me.

RB

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Yes Bwhahhahahahahahahaha

The laugh is on you, you agile fit man you!

Cheers MC

Bobsprit wrote:

It wasn't me rushing to the hospital with a self diagnoded heart attack.


Yeah, I "diagnoded" it after I fell over a fender in the bedroom!

Bwahahahahahaha!

RB

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We always laugh at the dorks sailing with fenders on deck.


Scotty
"Women and cats will do as they please, so men should kick the
crap out of both until they behave." - Robert A. Heinlein


"The_navigator©" wrote in message
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Not secured at all. Pants on fire!

Cheers MC

Bobsprit wrote:

The main issue is them falling off or getting tripped over when
not in use.

They are not in the way, not in the least. They are properly secured and
won't
be lost. Outside of the aesthetics, leaving them on deck during a short
sail
does no harm. None.

RB

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How many can you spot???

http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/sailsuz21.jpg



SV
"Women and cats will do as they please, so men should kick the
crap out of both until they behave." - Robert A. Heinlein

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You've not been out in a big sea yet. Everyone falls over
sooner or later

Let's hope the fender breaks my fall. Those decks are hard!

RB

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I don't have to prove anything. It's a fact.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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They should never be sitting on deck.

Still awaiting the reason why. If we were sailing for many hours, it would
be
another matter. But a couple of hours in calm conditions? Makes no
difference.
And no one can prove otherwise.

RB

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He can't trip over something he can't see....

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
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Doesn't matter. One day you will trip over something on deck. It's
certain.

Cheers MC

Bobsprit wrote:

But if you tripped over them and fell overboard you'd sing a different
tune and that _is_ possible admit it.

I'm going to trip over a big giant blue plastic balloon? Oh, okay! I
haven't
tripped or fallen in 5 years! And I mountain bike, run and jog.
How old are you???

RB

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You mean you've got a fat ass???

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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Given his rotundness,
he would just roll right back up to standing position.

Ganzy, my body fat is quite a bit lower than yours. I'm also in better
shape
overall.

RB

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They are obviously in the way.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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The main issue is them falling off or getting tripped over when
not in use.

They are not in the way, not in the least. They are properly secured and
won't
be lost. Outside of the aesthetics, leaving them on deck during a short
sail
does no harm. None.

RB

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I don't have to prove anything. It's a fact.


It's not a fact. It's something someone told you. You can't prove it or even
explain by example. A fender in calm conditions over a two hour sail is lazy,
but that's all.

RB

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And, lazy means unprepared, which is another way of saying wrong,
which is unseamanlike. quod erat demonstrandum

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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I don't have to prove anything. It's a fact.


It's not a fact. It's something someone told you. You can't prove it or
even
explain by example. A fender in calm conditions over a two hour sail is
lazy,
but that's all.

RB

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And, lazy means unprepared, which is another way of saying wrong,

Lazy in no way means uprapared. Look it up. Nothing "wrong" o "dangerous" with
the fender on deck during a short sail in calm weather.

RB

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The fender on the side deck is most certainly dangerous
fore any length of sail even from tied up to your dock to
aground on the nearest rock.

It is also wrong to allow it to stay there for any length
of time. A fender's place is hanging off the topsides.
It should be stowed straight away the minute you
clear the dock.

You are no sailor and that's plain. Your slovenly
habits will get you injured or killed. You will
NEVER see such absurd sights aboard "Cut the Mustard"
while we are underway. Just check out my website and
notice there is NOTHING lubberly to be seen in any
of the underway pics.

S.Simon World Famous Website


"Knobspittle" wrote in message ...
And, lazy means unprepared, which is another way of saying wrong,

Lazy in no way means uprapared. Look it up. Nothing "wrong" o "dangerous" with
the fender on deck during a short sail in calm weather.

RB

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I've sailed for years with fenders on deck. I admit its not proper for passages
or racing, but stuffing grubby fenders in a deck locker only to pull them out a
few hours later is ludicrous. Our cat has 5 fenders on the dock side (we don't
have the luxury of a single loaded slip) and the narrow deck where they get
stuffed is not appropriate for walking anyways. Since we have netting, they are
securely held there.

Leaving fenders hanging over the side is quite lubberly, however. We endeavor
to flip them inboard before clearing the marina.

-jeff www.sv-loki.com
"I like sailing because it is the sport which demands the least energy" Albert
Einstein


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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And, lazy means unprepared, which is another way of saying wrong,

Lazy in no way means uprapared. Look it up. Nothing "wrong" o "dangerous" with
the fender on deck during a short sail in calm weather.

RB

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Spoken like someone who has never tied up to a dock.



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
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The fender on the side deck is most certainly dangerous
fore any length of sail even from tied up to your dock to
aground on the nearest rock.

It is also wrong to allow it to stay there for any length
of time. A fender's place is hanging off the topsides.
It should be stowed straight away the minute you
clear the dock.

You are no sailor and that's plain. Your slovenly
habits will get you injured or killed. You will
NEVER see such absurd sights aboard "Cut the Mustard"
while we are underway. Just check out my website and
notice there is NOTHING lubberly to be seen in any
of the underway pics.

S.Simon World Famous Website


"Knobspittle" wrote in message
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And, lazy means unprepared, which is another way of saying wrong,

Lazy in no way means uprapared. Look it up. Nothing "wrong" o "dangerous" with
the fender on deck during a short sail in calm weather.

RB

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I don't have to look it up. *You* have to look up what is appropriate
and what isn't on a sailboat underway. Fenders on deck are *NOT*
appropriate, whether the sail be 2 hours or two days.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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And, lazy means unprepared, which is another way of saying wrong,

Lazy in no way means uprapared. Look it up. Nothing "wrong" o "dangerous"
with
the fender on deck during a short sail in calm weather.

RB

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Exactly.
"Simple Simon" wrote in message ...
The fender on the side deck is most certainly dangerous
fore any length of sail even from tied up to your dock to
aground on the nearest rock.

It is also wrong to allow it to stay there for any length
of time. A fender's place is hanging off the topsides.
It should be stowed straight away the minute you
clear the dock.

You are no sailor and that's plain. Your slovenly
habits will get you injured or killed. You will
NEVER see such absurd sights aboard "Cut the Mustard"
while we are underway. Just check out my website and
notice there is NOTHING lubberly to be seen in any
of the underway pics.

S.Simon World Famous Website


"Knobspittle" wrote in message ...
And, lazy means unprepared, which is another way of saying wrong,

Lazy in no way means uprapared. Look it up. Nothing "wrong" o "dangerous" with
the fender on deck during a short sail in calm weather.

RB

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"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
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I've sailed for years with fenders on deck. I admit its not proper for
passages
or racing, but stuffing grubby fenders in a deck locker only to pull them
out a
few hours later is ludicrous. Our cat has 5 fenders on the dock side (we
don't
have the luxury of a single loaded slip) and the narrow deck where they
get
stuffed is not appropriate for walking anyways. Since we have netting,
they are
securely held there.

Leaving fenders hanging over the side is quite lubberly, however. We
endeavor
to flip them inboard before clearing the marina.


Well! There you go.


Jeff knows as much about good seamanship as Bobsprit.

I'll change my sig to "Mr. Gullible".



Regards


Donal
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*You* have to look up what is appropriate
and what isn't on a sailboat underway. Fenders on deck are *NOT*
appropriate, whether the sail be 2 hours or two days.

Says who? It's our boat. We operate it our way. No injuries or falls over
fenders in 8 years of sailing 3 boats.

RB

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No argument there. If you want to operate a vessel unsafely,
as long as I'm nowhere near you, I don't have a problem
with it.

By the by, you seem to think that the past is some guarantee
of the future. You'd be wrong.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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*You* have to look up what is appropriate
and what isn't on a sailboat underway. Fenders on deck are *NOT*
appropriate, whether the sail be 2 hours or two days.

Says who? It's our boat. We operate it our way. No injuries or falls over
fenders in 8 years of sailing 3 boats.

RB