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Australians' disgusting behaviour
"The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Strimmers. You've been to Germany? Regards Donal -- |
Australians' disgusting behaviour
Ya at 300 kmph!
Cheers MC Ozzy's Oz Moh sis wrote: "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Strimmers. You've been to Germany? Regards Donal -- |
Australians' disgusting behaviour
Donals Dilema wrote in message ... On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 23:22:08 -0000, "Ozzy's Oz Moh sis" wrote: There are lots of things that I am man enough to admit that I know nothing about. You????? Sure, plenty....It's just that my list is much shorter than yours. Interesting!! I know nothing about an infinite number of subjects. How many things do you know nothing about? Take an Aspirin before you try to answer. Regards Donal -- |
Australians' disgusting behaviour
You raise a dilemma. If you know nothing about an infinite number of
subjects it is possible to give a number for the things you do know about (apart from zero of course). Cheers MC Donal wrote: Donals Dilema wrote in message ... On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 23:22:08 -0000, "Ozzy's Oz Moh sis" wrote: There are lots of things that I am man enough to admit that I know nothing about. You????? Sure, plenty....It's just that my list is much shorter than yours. Interesting!! I know nothing about an infinite number of subjects. How many things do you know nothing about? Take an Aspirin before you try to answer. Regards Donal -- |
Australians' disgusting behaviour
I mean ... is it possible ...
Cheers MC The_navigator© wrote: You raise a dilemma. If you know nothing about an infinite number of subjects it is possible to give a number for the things you do know about (apart from zero of course). Cheers MC Donal wrote: Donals Dilema wrote in message ... On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 23:22:08 -0000, "Ozzy's Oz Moh sis" wrote: There are lots of things that I am man enough to admit that I know nothing about. You????? Sure, plenty....It's just that my list is much shorter than yours. Interesting!! I know nothing about an infinite number of subjects. How many things do you know nothing about? Take an Aspirin before you try to answer. Regards Donal -- |
Australians' disgusting behaviour
"The_navigator©" wrote in message ... I mean ... is it possible ... Yes, and I think that you already know that to be true. So, now you know nothing about an infinite number minus one things. The logical conclusion is that some of us are cleverer than others, and at the same time we are all equally ignorant. Regards Donal -- |
Australians' disgusting behaviour
But is that less than an infinite number?
Cheers MC Donal wrote: "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... I mean ... is it possible ... Yes, and I think that you already know that to be true. So, now you know nothing about an infinite number minus one things. The logical conclusion is that some of us are cleverer than others, and at the same time we are all equally ignorant. Regards Donal -- |
Australians' disgusting behaviour
"The_navigator©" wrote in message ... But is that less than an infinite number? I'll assume that there is a reason for your obtuseness, and give you the answer that you want. ***No!*** We are *all* equally ignorant. Especially Australians!! Regards Donal -- |
Australians' disgusting behaviour
Total knowledge in the universe must ne less than the energy content of
the universe which is finite. You say that your ignorance is infinite so are you saying there's no point to knowledge since we have less than none? Cheers MC Donal wrote: "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... But is that less than an infinite number? I'll assume that there is a reason for your obtuseness, and give you the answer that you want. ***No!*** We are *all* equally ignorant. Especially Australians!! Regards Donal -- |
Australians' disgusting behaviour
"The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Total knowledge in the universe must ne less than the energy content of the universe which is finite. You say that your ignorance is infinite so are you saying there's no point to knowledge since we have less than none? Actually, you are much closer than you think. Any knowledge that we possess, must be greater than none, ... however we are infinitely ignorant. We have theories about the origin of the Universe that are incredibly stupid. Einstein wasn't a genius, he was a brilliant deceiver. Hawkins is equally gifted! Regards Donal -- |
Australians' disgusting behaviour
I agree, the idea that the universe was created by a couple of guys
riding a turtle is absurd. In fact most religious theories are laughable. Cheers MC Donal wrote: "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Total knowledge in the universe must ne less than the energy content of the universe which is finite. You say that your ignorance is infinite so are you saying there's no point to knowledge since we have less than none? Actually, you are much closer than you think. Any knowledge that we possess, must be greater than none, ... however we are infinitely ignorant. We have theories about the origin of the Universe that are incredibly stupid. Einstein wasn't a genius, he was a brilliant deceiver. Hawkins is equally gifted! Regards Donal -- |
Australians' disgusting behaviour
But, if all the information contained in the universe is finite, your
premise is incorrect -i.e. we cannot be infinitely ignorant. Cheers MC Donal wrote: "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Total knowledge in the universe must ne less than the energy content of the universe which is finite. You say that your ignorance is infinite so are you saying there's no point to knowledge since we have less than none? Actually, you are much closer than you think. Any knowledge that we possess, must be greater than none, ... however we are infinitely ignorant. We have theories about the origin of the Universe that are incredibly stupid. Einstein wasn't a genius, he was a brilliant deceiver. Hawkins is equally gifted! Regards Donal -- |
Australians' disgusting behaviour
If the universe is infinite how can you say total energy content is finite,
for that matter can you list all the forms of energy? Certain currently existing types may be finite in specific locations but even those, once used, only change into another form. If the universe is not infinite then a) define the limits and b) describe what lies beyond those parameters. This is not a test question. You don't get a gold star nor an ink blot in your copy book. Personally, to stay on topic, I don't find Australian behaviour disgusting at all. That's a myth, mere propaganda like the rain of Seattle. They are really quite. . . how should I say . . . .affable! LOL MST |
Australians' disgusting behaviour
"The_navigator©" wrote in message ... But, if all the information contained in the universe is finite, your premise is incorrect -i.e. we cannot be infinitely ignorant. Who said that all the information in the universe was finite? Let us consider, for a moment, the properties of a sub-atomic particle ... an electron. For our example, I would invite you to take only *one* of the atoms of oxygen that exist in the room that you are currently sitting in. .. (I assume that you are seated). Now, I invite you to consider the information that might pertain to that single electron. We might consider it's mass! We might consider it's position in space! Perhaps we might also consider it's position in space at a specific point in the past. We might even try to forecst where it will be at a specific point in the future. As there are an infinite number of points of time in the future - there are an infinite number of bits of information about this single electron. In fact, there are an infinite number of points in time in the next second. As you can see, there is an infinite amount of knowledge about the existence of a single electron over the next second of its' existence. To disprove your theory even further, we can either take our electron and go down to smaller particles, or we can go up to bigger entities. Either way, you are wrong. It is amazing, but with my knowledge of man's ignorance, I can prove that you know nothing about the nature of knowledge! Regards Donal -- |
Australians' disgusting behaviour
"Schoonertrash" wrote in message ... Personally, to stay on topic, I don't find Australian behaviour disgusting at all. That's a myth, mere propaganda like the rain of Seattle. They are really quite. . . how should I say . . . .affable! LOL "affable". Do you mean that they aren't real men? Regards Donal -- |
Australians' disgusting behaviour
Easy going, mellow, laid back, polite in an understated way. . . .nice .
...affable. Course that's from my view point. Others think they are rude, crude and tatooed . .Blue! . .. .. fair disgusting. That's from their viewpoint. Ah well . .. . |
Australians' disgusting behaviour
Who said it was infinite?
Cheers MC Schoonertrash wrote: If the universe is infinite how can you say total energy content is finite, for that matter can you list all the forms of energy? Certain currently existing types may be finite in specific locations but even those, once used, only change into another form. If the universe is not infinite then a) define the limits and b) describe what lies beyond those parameters. This is not a test question. You don't get a gold star nor an ink blot in your copy book. Personally, to stay on topic, I don't find Australian behaviour disgusting at all. That's a myth, mere propaganda like the rain of Seattle. They are really quite. . . how should I say . . . .affable! LOL MST |
Australians' disgusting behaviour
And that is where you are so wrong. The fact is that we can predict
exactly where the atom will be for a short period with perfect accurace -that's thanks to QED. The problem is that the solution to greater times becomes too complex. This does not mean that information content right now is infinite. You are mixing the plurarity of the future with existance. The fact is that the energy content right _now_ is finite. It cannot be otherwise! The refute this implies that our existance (wave state) right is not a certainty (deterministic). Now you are not going to say you don't exist are you? Cheers MC Donal wrote: "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... But, if all the information contained in the universe is finite, your premise is incorrect -i.e. we cannot be infinitely ignorant. Who said that all the information in the universe was finite? Let us consider, for a moment, the properties of a sub-atomic particle ... an electron. For our example, I would invite you to take only *one* of the atoms of oxygen that exist in the room that you are currently sitting in. .. (I assume that you are seated). Now, I invite you to consider the information that might pertain to that single electron. We might consider it's mass! We might consider it's position in space! Perhaps we might also consider it's position in space at a specific point in the past. We might even try to forecst where it will be at a specific point in the future. As there are an infinite number of points of time in the future - there are an infinite number of bits of information about this single electron. In fact, there are an infinite number of points in time in the next second. As you can see, there is an infinite amount of knowledge about the existence of a single electron over the next second of its' existence. To disprove your theory even further, we can either take our electron and go down to smaller particles, or we can go up to bigger entities. Either way, you are wrong. It is amazing, but with my knowledge of man's ignorance, I can prove that you know nothing about the nature of knowledge! Regards Donal -- |
Australians' disgusting behaviour
"The_navigator©" wrote in message ... And that is where you are so wrong. The fact is that we can predict exactly where the atom will be for a short period with perfect accurace -that's thanks to QED. The problem is that the solution to greater times becomes too complex. This does not mean that information content right now is infinite. Of course it does! Can you not break the next second into an infinite number of smaller time frames? Therefore, there are an infinite number of possibilities for the information pertaining to the position of any single electron You are mixing the plurarity of the future with existance. Well, if the next second is too difficult, how about the application of my ideas to the last second? The fact is that the energy content right _now_ is finite. Only if you subscribe to the "Big Bang" Theory. I don't. It has several problems. The first is that the Universe was created out of nothing at all - and that equal quantities of matter and anti-matter were created. Tell me, were equal quantities of Energy and anti-Energy created? Is there really no empty space beyond the bounds of our little Universe? It cannot be otherwise! The refute this implies that our existance (wave state) right is not a certainty (deterministic). Now you are not going to say you don't exist are you? I only exist in my own mind..... as do you. Of course, *I* might only exist in your mind. Regards Donal -- |
Australians' disgusting behaviour
Donal wrote: "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... And that is where you are so wrong. The fact is that we can predict exactly where the atom will be for a short period with perfect accurace -that's thanks to QED. The problem is that the solution to greater times becomes too complex. This does not mean that information content right now is infinite. Of course it does! Can you not break the next second into an infinite number of smaller time frames? That has nothing to do with the energy content of the system. Therefore, there are an infinite number of possibilities for the information pertaining to the position of any single electron Yes but only one comes into exixtance with observation. At that point the wave function is determined and there your are! You are mixing the plurarity of the future with existance. Well, if the next second is too difficult, how about the application of my ideas to the last second? Seconds are a long time on the atomis scale. The fact is that the energy content right _now_ is finite. Only if you subscribe to the "Big Bang" Theory. I don't. That is not a requirement of BB theories. It has several problems. The first is that the Universe was created out of nothing at all - and that equal quantities of matter and anti-matter were created. Tell me, were equal quantities of Energy and anti-Energy created? Is there really no empty space beyond the bounds of our little Universe? Yes nothing. nada. Zip. Cheers MC It cannot be otherwise! The refute this implies that our existance (wave state) right is not a certainty (deterministic). Now you are not going to say you don't exist are you? I only exist in my own mind..... as do you. Of course, *I* might only exist in your mind. Regards Donal -- |
Australians' disgusting behaviour
Hi Katy,
more like a running wrestling match, IMHO Scout "katysails" wrote in message ... What's rugby? ;-) It's sort of a cross between soccer and football but very rude. |
Australians' disgusting behaviour
"The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Donal wrote: "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... And that is where you are so wrong. The fact is that we can predict exactly where the atom will be for a short period with perfect accurace -that's thanks to QED. The problem is that the solution to greater times becomes too complex. This does not mean that information content right now is infinite. Of course it does! Can you not break the next second into an infinite number of smaller time frames? That has nothing to do with the energy content of the system. The discussion started with the contention that man's ignorance was infinite. You introduced the "energy content" as a method of proving that information was, in some way, finite. However, the sum total of energy contained in the Universe is not related to the sum total of information about the Universe. I have already demonstrated that information can be related to time. As any unit of time can be divided into an infinite number of sub-units, then the information regarding anything at all, can be divided into an infinite number of discrete pieces of information. The sum total of energy that exists in our Universe may well be finite. However, the sum total of knowledge about the behaviour of any single electron, in any single atom, is infinite! In other words, we know nothing! Regards Donal -- Therefore, there are an infinite number of possibilities for the information pertaining to the position of any single electron Yes but only one comes into exixtance with observation. At that point the wave function is determined and there your are! You are mixing the plurarity of the future with existance. Well, if the next second is too difficult, how about the application of my ideas to the last second? Seconds are a long time on the atomis scale. The fact is that the energy content right _now_ is finite. Only if you subscribe to the "Big Bang" Theory. I don't. That is not a requirement of BB theories. It has several problems. The first is that the Universe was created out of nothing at all - and that equal quantities of matter and anti-matter were created. Tell me, were equal quantities of Energy and anti-Energy created? Is there really no empty space beyond the bounds of our little Universe? Yes nothing. nada. Zip. Cheers MC It cannot be otherwise! The refute this implies that our existance (wave state) right is not a certainty (deterministic). Now you are not going to say you don't exist are you? I only exist in my own mind..... as do you. Of course, *I* might only exist in your mind. Regards Donal -- |
Australians' disgusting behaviour
Hi Katy,
more like a running wrestling match, IMHO Scout Hey Scout! Where you been???? --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
Australians' disgusting behaviour
I'm still breathing Katy, but haven't been able to poke my head out
since school started in sept. It's great having summers off, provided ya don't mind zero weekends throughout the school year and lots of 12 hour days. I wouldn't trade it for anything though. I drop in frequently (lurk), enjoy the knee-slappers, and even share some with my students. They get a huge kick out of asa and have even shown some interest in sailing as a result of the readings. God help us all if they start posting, lol. Scout "katysails" wrote in message ... Hi Katy, more like a running wrestling match, IMHO Scout Hey Scout! Where you been???? |
Australians' disgusting behaviour
Donal wrote: "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Donal wrote: "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... And that is where you are so wrong. The fact is that we can predict exactly where the atom will be for a short period with perfect accurace -that's thanks to QED. The problem is that the solution to greater times becomes too complex. This does not mean that information content right now is infinite. Of course it does! Can you not break the next second into an infinite number of smaller time frames? That has nothing to do with the energy content of the system. The discussion started with the contention that man's ignorance was infinite. You introduced the "energy content" as a method of proving that information was, in some way, finite. However, the sum total of energy contained in the Universe is not related to the sum total of information about the Universe. I have already demonstrated that information can be related to time. As any unit of time can be divided into an infinite number of sub-units, then the information regarding anything at all, can be divided into an infinite number of discrete pieces of information. Information and energy have a very close connection. The minimum amount of energy required to store a bit of information has been known for quite some time. Since the energy content of the universe is finite it follows that the information content is also finite for without energy there is no information storage -i.e. that information does not exist. Of course the amount of information is very very large but it's not infinite -unless a big number means infinity to you... The sum total of energy that exists in our Universe may well be finite. However, the sum total of knowledge about the behaviour of any single electron, in any single atom, is infinite! No it isn't. Is it that you are confused about wave-particle duality -or perhaps you are asking meaningless questions which cannot be answered because there is no information in their answers? Cheers MC |
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God help
us all if they start posting, lol. You sure Bobbu isn't one of your students??? --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
Australians' disgusting behaviour
Spare us, please have mercy. S.Simon "katysails" wrote in message ... God help us all if they start posting, lol. You sure Bobbu isn't one of your students??? -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
Australians' disgusting behaviour
"The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Donal wrote: "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Donal wrote: "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... And that is where you are so wrong. The fact is that we can predict exactly where the atom will be for a short period with perfect accurace -that's thanks to QED. The problem is that the solution to greater times becomes too complex. This does not mean that information content right now is infinite. Of course it does! Can you not break the next second into an infinite number of smaller time frames? That has nothing to do with the energy content of the system. The discussion started with the contention that man's ignorance was infinite. You introduced the "energy content" as a method of proving that information was, in some way, finite. However, the sum total of energy contained in the Universe is not related to the sum total of information about the Universe. I have already demonstrated that information can be related to time. As any unit of time can be divided into an infinite number of sub-units, then the information regarding anything at all, can be divided into an infinite number of discrete pieces of information. Information and energy have a very close connection. The minimum amount of energy required to store a bit of information has been known for quite some time. Since the energy content of the universe is finite it follows that the information content is also finite for without energy there is no information storage -i.e. that information does not exist. Of course the amount of information is very very large but it's not infinite -unless a big number means infinity to you... The sum total of energy that exists in our Universe may well be finite. However, the sum total of knowledge about the behaviour of any single electron, in any single atom, is infinite! No it isn't. Is it that you are confused about wave-particle duality -or perhaps you are asking meaningless questions which cannot be answered because there is no information in their answers? Does an electron exist? Is it a physical entity? If so, then it must occupy a position in space! Therefore, it will occupy an infinite number of positions in the next second - because the next second contains an infinite number of points in time. Regards Donal -- |
Australians' disgusting behaviour
Donal wrote:
Does an electron exist? Is it a physical entity? Yes If so, then it must occupy a position in space! Not unless you look for it, until then it is everywhere, if you subscribe to quantum mechanical theory. Therefore, it will occupy an infinite number of positions in the next second - because the next second contains an infinite number of points in time. Like I said, it always was and is everywhere, it's one way of explaining quantum tunneling. Cheers Marty |
Australians' disgusting behaviour
Donal wrote: "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Donal wrote: "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Donal wrote: "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... And that is where you are so wrong. The fact is that we can predict exactly where the atom will be for a short period with perfect accurace -that's thanks to QED. The problem is that the solution to greater times becomes too complex. This does not mean that information content right now is infinite. Of course it does! Can you not break the next second into an infinite number of smaller time frames? That has nothing to do with the energy content of the system. The discussion started with the contention that man's ignorance was infinite. You introduced the "energy content" as a method of proving that information was, in some way, finite. However, the sum total of energy contained in the Universe is not related to the sum total of information about the Universe. I have already demonstrated that information can be related to time. As any unit of time can be divided into an infinite number of sub-units, then the information regarding anything at all, can be divided into an infinite number of discrete pieces of information. Information and energy have a very close connection. The minimum amount of energy required to store a bit of information has been known for quite some time. Since the energy content of the universe is finite it follows that the information content is also finite for without energy there is no information storage -i.e. that information does not exist. Of course the amount of information is very very large but it's not infinite -unless a big number means infinity to you... The sum total of energy that exists in our Universe may well be finite. However, the sum total of knowledge about the behaviour of any single electron, in any single atom, is infinite! No it isn't. Is it that you are confused about wave-particle duality -or perhaps you are asking meaningless questions which cannot be answered because there is no information in their answers? Does an electron exist? Only when it's interacting with something. Is it a physical entity? Yes it has rest mass If so, then it must occupy a position in space! Yes, when measured. Therefore, it will occupy an infinite number of positions in the next second - because the next second contains an infinite number of points in time. After measurement you will have to remeasure it's position and at at that moment it does not occupy an infinite numer of positions. Do you see it now -that the wave function collapses on measurement means that the information conetent is finite. Cheers MC Regards Donal -- |
Australians' disgusting behaviour
"The_navigator©" wrote in message ... After measurement you will have to remeasure it's position and at at that moment it does not occupy an infinite numer of positions. Do you see it now -that the wave function collapses on measurement means that the information conetent is finite. I can see that you would understand that the information content would be finite for any given measurement. I was wondering about the number of potential measurements that could be taken in a second. I suspect that any given second can be broken down into an infinite number of "sub-seconds", and therefore, there are an infinite number of different predictions about the electron's position in any given second. Take the number of seconds that have existed over the last 15 billion years, and combine that figure with the number of electrons in the *known* Universe, and then you try to quantify the information about the spatial position of each electron -... Do you still maintain that you have any serious amount of knowledge? Regards Donal -- |
Australians' disgusting behaviour
Donal wrote: "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... After measurement you will have to remeasure it's position and at at that moment it does not occupy an infinite numer of positions. Do you see it now -that the wave function collapses on measurement means that the information conetent is finite. I can see that you would understand that the information content would be finite for any given measurement. I was wondering about the number of potential measurements that could be taken in a second. Good idea but that's finite too because making a measuremnt requires energy and the energy content of the universe is finite... I suspect that any given second can be broken down into an infinite number of "sub-seconds", and therefore, there are an infinite number of different predictions about the electron's position in any given second. Take the number of seconds that have existed over the last 15 billion years, and combine that figure with the number of electrons in the *known* Universe, and then you try to quantify the information about the spatial position of each electron -... Do you still maintain that you have any serious amount of knowledge? Define "any serious" in Mbytes and I'll tell you. Cheers MC |
Australians' disgusting behaviour
"The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Donal wrote: "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... After measurement you will have to remeasure it's position and at at that moment it does not occupy an infinite numer of positions. Do you see it now -that the wave function collapses on measurement means that the information conetent is finite. I can see that you would understand that the information content would be finite for any given measurement. I was wondering about the number of potential measurements that could be taken in a second. Good idea but that's finite too because making a measuremnt requires energy and the energy content of the universe is finite... Good grief! Are you suggesting that facts cannot exist unless they have been observed? When a new fact is discovered, does it only come into existence *after* it was obseverd? Did humans need oxygen to survive before we knew that gasses existed at all? Was the Sun at the centre of our Solar System when man still thought that the Earth was the centre of the Universe? Why do you try to equate facts with our ability to take measurements. Facts exist independantly of observation. I suspect that any given second can be broken down into an infinite number of "sub-seconds", and therefore, there are an infinite number of different predictions about the electron's position in any given second. Take the number of seconds that have existed over the last 15 billion years, and combine that figure with the number of electrons in the *known* Universe, and then you try to quantify the information about the spatial position of each electron -... Do you still maintain that you have any serious amount of knowledge? Define "any serious" in Mbytes and I'll tell you. Humans think that they are intelligent. We are not very bright at all. We've had about 700 generations since we lived in caves, and it looks like we will make the planet uninhabitable within 100 years, or we will blow ourselves to bits. I offer you a (rough) quote from Douglas Adams. "Man thought that he was more intelligent than the dolphins, because all they did was swim around and play. The Dolphins thought that they were more intelligent for exactly the same reason." Regards Donal -- Cheers MC |
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I've been purposefully vague with them regarding the details of
posting. Honestly though, it's more an act of self-preservation. Scout "Simple Simon" wrote Spare us, please have mercy. S.Simon God help us all if they start posting, lol. |
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