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My friend sold his Cape Dory Typhoon and now seeks a capable daysailor with a
lot of room. Here are his needs/limitations:

Must be under 20 LOA
Must seat 4 adults
Must be ballasted and stable
Must have a good turn of speed
Must be around 4K.

Rhodes 19? And what else?

RB

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Cal 20. I'll sell mine for $4K. :-)

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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My friend sold his Cape Dory Typhoon and now seeks a capable daysailor
with a
lot of room. Here are his needs/limitations:

Must be under 20 LOA
Must seat 4 adults
Must be ballasted and stable
Must have a good turn of speed
Must be around 4K.

Rhodes 19? And what else?

RB

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Sounds like he should be looking at the
O-Day Day Sailer.
I like the Stuart Knock-about. If I was back East I think I would
finish my sailing day in a Knock-about but out here you need something
to protect you from the weather.

Has he looked into the Soling? The Snipe? Even the Penquin? Lightning?
The Star (With a Conn. Rig)

OT

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Thom Stewart wrote:

Sounds like he should be looking at the
O-Day Day Sailer.

Nice boat, practical, a bit pokey IMHO.


I like the Stuart Knock-about. If I was back East I think I would
finish my sailing day in a Knock-about but out here you need something
to protect you from the weather.

Has he looked into the Soling? The Snipe? Even the Penquin? Lightning?
The Star (With a Conn. Rig)

What might be considered a good boat would depend on the circumstances. Is
it to be trailered often? Ramp launched? Kept at a club or other facility
with mast raised? Kept in the water? How many people to take along, and
how much provisions?

For strictly learning to sail, I favor smaller flightier boats. You're
less distracted by social niceties and given a lot of instant feedback. A
420 or Lark or Coronado 15 or or Tasar, one of the newer boats I like a
lot is the Capri 16.5 and of course the Johnson 18.

A Lightning might be too much for a beginner but is a great daysailer/camp
cruiser/class racer. The biggest drawback is the complex rig. A Star with
a cut-down rig would be a lot of fun too, but they are quite small in
terms of capacity, smaller cockpit & less stowage than a Lightning even
though they are keelboats & several feet longer overall.

The tool should be suited to it's use.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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What might be considered a good boat would depend on the circumstances. Is
it to be trailered often? Ramp launched? Kept at a club or other facility
with mast raised? Kept in the water? How many people to take along, and
how much provisions?

Boat is for an experienced sailor. Previous owner of a CD Typhoon. Boat needs
to be ballasted and have room for 4 or more. Good performance favored.
Something around the 2-4K mark, like the Typhoon. Boat would be moored.

RB

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Something around the 2-4K mark, like the Typhoon. Boat would be moored.

RB

Why didn't they just keep the typhoon?

That's a damn good question. Selling my Pearson 30 was also a mistake. Both the
Typhoon and P30 were sold due to marriages and imagined time contraints that
never came to pass.
But a boat more suited for the light air on the sound would probably suit my
friend better.

RB

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Slower, but nice to look at are the Marshall Catboats. You can usually
find those for good prices. The traditional looks might appeal to a
former typhoon owner.

How right you are. He's dying for a Catboat, the 19s tend to be 15K for a nice
one. Very pretty boats. I was able to sail one this year and I could see the
appeal, especially for it's size. I especially like the Menger with the
gaff/sloop rig. Not cheap though.
The Rhodes 19 may be the way to go. Are the centerboard models ballasted? Will
they ride a mooring safely?

RB

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(Bobsprit) wrote:
Something around the 2-4K mark, like the Typhoon. Boat would be moored.

I didn't realize this thread originated as more Bubbles nuttery. Oh well, I already
put my foot in it.


wrote:
For strictly daysailing with 4 adults, the Rhodes 19 is probably as
good a choice as any in that price range.

Not a bad call, I'd like Rhodes too. But a Highlander will sail rings around a
Rhodes 19 and has a roomier cockpit. Not as much stowage though, and probably not as
traditional looking to most eyes (although I myself think the Highlander is a
handsome boat, both better looking & faster than it's younger sister the Flying
Scot). Another possibility is an old one design called the Raven. If you really like
traditional looks, hunt for a Celebrity.

The idea for a catboat is a good one. They are really stable, and not necessarily
dull in light air (but that leaves you reefing the huge gaff main when it blows).
The issue with catboats, and gaffers to boot, is that they have some handling quirks
and take some getting used to.

Here's a thought-
http://www.boats.com/listing/boat_de...ityid=11284451

Almost like a mini-Shields. You ain't gonna find no Shields for under $5K though.


How about this, it's even in his neighborhood.
http://www.boats.com/listing/boat_de...tityid=9897391

A bit modern looking but these are good sailing boats and very well built.

Another suggestion I have is the Hunter 19. It is stable and comfortable, the
cockpit easily holds 4 and you get the bonus of a relatively comfy cabin. If I were
to leave on in the water, I'd consider either painting the inside of the ballast
tank or else fiberglassing over the valve and installing lead ballast. Problem- you
have to go a bit higher than $2K ~ $4K to get one.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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Thanks for the suggestions, Doug.


RB

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There were two different centerboards for the Rhodes 19. There was a
fiberglass centerboard that weighed 100 pounds less than the
alternative cast iron board. The boats with the fiberglass board have
100 pounds of ballast added to the bilge to compensate. I don't see
any serious problem with keeping one on a mooring. Two people can
unstep the mast and haul the boat out on a trailer without much fuss
in case of a hurricane. Another nice thing about the Rhodes is that
there are thousands of them, and they are still in production. You can
get anything you need for them.

Forwarded this info. Thanks.

RB

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Doug,

You are right about the rig on a lightning but I remember sailing on one
that was made into an overnighter ( for not having a better name) It had
a shelter cabin built into it and the rig was simplified by the addition
of a boomkin. It was a strange looking vessel but it was a hell of a
boat. It was a hell of a sailer also and when the weather would start
to press it he would partially rise the centerboard and accept some
leeway to keep her hull under control

Her skipper had the boat that he wanted. It was an old wooden model that
he got dirt cheap. He taped the seams and it was dry and although he
never officially raced it, it was still damn fast. He could anchor out
but his favorite way to overnight was to nose it up to the beach, set
the boom tent and enjoy the access of the land.

OT

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Nutsy,

A Catboat is a good boat for the Sound. They big sail is great for the
light air of the Sound and the Mast stepped that far forward does make
for great cockpits and sailing with one string is great; BUT Remember a
Catboat is a Catboat and a Gaff Rigged Catboat is the worst kind.

If you don't know what I'm talking about it is WEATHER HELM. The curse
of the Catboat. With that big sail mounted on the pointy end, when you
let that big sail out the center of effort get way outboard and forward.
With that leverage that far forward is the reason for that barn door
rudder on the other end of the boat.

With those huge rudders there is a tendency to over control. You really
have never experienced sail terror until you've had an accidental Gybe
with a Gaff Rigged Cat Sail in a freshening breeze.
If you can keep smiling during a Goose Wing Gybe or a Round Up, a
Catboat is a fun boat. I like them. I learned to sail big boats on one.
Remember that the "Friendship Sloop" was designed to relieve some of
that Catboat tendencies

Ole Thom

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Thom Stewart wrote:

Doug,

You are right about the rig on a lightning but I remember sailing on one
that was made into an overnighter ( for not having a better name) It had
a shelter cabin built into it

Bet it didn't have much headroom. Lightnings are low sided boats. Low boom,
too!

.. It was a strange looking vessel but it was a hell of a
boat. It was a hell of a sailer also and when the weather would start
to press it he would partially rise the centerboard and accept some
leeway to keep her hull under control

I've used that same trick on a couple of different boats. It works best with
boats that either have daggerboards like a Laser, or a short stubby
centerboard. A Lightning has a long centerboard, raising it brings the
denter of lateral resistance aft but it's also a hard-chine boat. A good
skipper would be able to balance the helm when heeled against the
further-aft shifted CLR.




....although he
never officially raced it, it was still damn fast.

Yep, the Lightning is a thoroughbred all right. They aren't that impressive
with regard to numbers like S/D, but they'll beat a lot of boats with better
numbers.


He could anchor out
but his favorite way to overnight was to nose it up to the beach, set
the boom tent and enjoy the access of the land.

Sounds like a lot of fun. Have to be careful where you do that, though....
between irate property owners and snakes, the cruise be a short one!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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Doug,

Your right about the cabin. It was made to hold two sleeping bag bunks
and storage for the coleman stove and lamp. The living was done under
the boom tent and boat cover, when at anchor or nosed up on the beach.

The shelter cabin did have sitting head room (More or less) It had no
head. It was a Chase & Sanborn Yacht. He sure did have a lot of time on
it.

OT

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No Oz,

Etchell is a good keel boat..I ran into this Lightning when I still had
my Canoe. He use to handle bad weather like I did. We'd run for the
beach. I'd pull the canoe above to high water line, pull the mast and
turn the hull over prop up with a paddle and close the open side with
the sail. He would run the lightning onto the beach, set the tent and
wait out the storm. He had a lot more comfort than me

I'm afraid you couldn't get an Etchell to far up the beach

OT

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yeah Oz,

I've seen a lot of Etchells dry sailed off the trailer. It would be a
way to go

OT

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I've seen a lot of Etchells dry sailed off the trailer. It would be a
way to go

Capetanios Oz wrote:
You have?
How stupid can people be?

What's stupid about dry sailing from a trailer?

A lot of clubs over here don't have deep water bulkheads & hoists.
Besides, if you drive to away regattas, then your boat is on a road
trailer and needs to be rigged up anyway.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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"Donals Delight." wrote:

Launching an Etchells from a trailer is daunting enough.
The retrieval is nigh impossible.

Well, I've seen no Etchells trailers that have guide bars for the keel,
either. Using a trailer that's designed for storage & rolling around the
boatyard on the highway and for ramp launch/retrieval is sure gonna be tough.

I would agree that it's not an optimal design for ramp launching. But that
doesn't make the people who do it stupid, if they don't have any other
option.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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"Donals Delight." wrote:

Yep, we use triclcle trolleys for around the deck and specially built
4 wheel trailers for the road.
With the trailer the base of the keel travels about10" off the
roadway, putting the waterline about head height.

I like the rigs that have a big box trailer to carry all gear, tools, sails, etc
etc; with the hull on a trolley that rolls up inside. Somehow I have never laid
out the bucks for one though!


What length draw bar extension would you propose for the average ramp?

..... in the south east US, I'd suggest one long enough to get out past the first
couple of channel markers ;)

DSK