A water skier's board in the water is a vessel under tow.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

A water skier is pulled along by a boat with machinery
but a water ski is not a vessel.

Likewise a kite sailor is pulled along by a sail but the
kite sailor's board is not a vessel.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

Of course they are. The colregs are all inclusive. If the vessel is
making way she is being propelled by oars, sails or machinery. There is
nothing else possible.

Cheers MC

Wally wrote:

The_navigator© wrote:


OED:


c. transf. Applied to something that is spread out like a sail,
or that catches the wind.


Note "c".


The dictionary, so far as I understand it, describes usages of words as part
of language, but not neccessarly a legal definition for the purpose of the
colregs (if the kitesail thingy is where this coming from / going).

Not saying it doesn't apply, though. On a canoe, the method of propulsion
isn't part of the vessel, but is a separate implement held and manipulated
by the person. Although not a direct correlate to the idea of whether a
sailboat can only be such if the sail is attached to it, it does suggest a
precedent for non-attachment of the means of propulsion. What about those
river ferry raft-things that are moved by the person on board pulling on a
rope stretched across the river? Aren't hey vessels?


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Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

NOT!

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...
A water skier's board in the water is a vessel under tow.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

A water skier is pulled along by a boat with machinery
but a water ski is not a vessel.

Likewise a kite sailor is pulled along by a sail but the
kite sailor's board is not a vessel.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

Of course they are. The colregs are all inclusive. If the vessel is
making way she is being propelled by oars, sails or machinery. There is
nothing else possible.

Cheers MC

Wally wrote:

The_navigator© wrote:


OED:


c. transf. Applied to something that is spread out like a sail,
or that catches the wind.


Note "c".


The dictionary, so far as I understand it, describes usages of words as part
of language, but not neccessarly a legal definition for the purpose of the
colregs (if the kitesail thingy is where this coming from / going).

Not saying it doesn't apply, though. On a canoe, the method of propulsion
isn't part of the vessel, but is a separate implement held and manipulated
by the person. Although not a direct correlate to the idea of whether a
sailboat can only be such if the sail is attached to it, it does suggest a
precedent for non-attachment of the means of propulsion. What about those
river ferry raft-things that are moved by the person on board pulling on a
rope stretched across the river? Aren't hey vessels?


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

Simple Simon wrote:

A water skier's board in the water is a vessel under tow.

NOT!

So, if you were in a potential collision situation with the skier, would you
run over the water skier, or treat the towing vessel and skier in the same
way as one vessel towing another?


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

Interacting with a water skier does not make
said skier a vessel.

S.Simon


"Wally" wrote in message news
Simple Simon wrote:

A water skier's board in the water is a vessel under tow.

NOT!

So, if you were in a potential collision situation with the skier, would you
run over the water skier, or treat the towing vessel and skier in the same
way as one vessel towing another?


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

The ski is the vessel. It's not a diplacement craft.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

Interacting with a water skier does not make
said skier a vessel.

S.Simon


"Wally" wrote in message news
Simple Simon wrote:


A water skier's board in the water is a vessel under tow.

NOT!

So, if you were in a potential collision situation with the skier, would you
run over the water skier, or treat the towing vessel and skier in the same
way as one vessel towing another?


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.