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Simple Simon November 12th 03 11:54 PM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 
Has anyone else besides me noticed how incoherent
the whining, complaining terrorist sympathizers like
Bobsprit, Donal and Navigator are lately? The never
were very persuasive and never had any ideas of
their own as far as alternatives to which the bitch
moan and groan about but in the past month or so
they don't seem to even be able to even complain
with any conviction.

When challenged they jump to another liberal
talking point which has been discredited badly in
the past. When faced with evidence that they
have already lost on this issue they change tacks
and go another lame liberal talking point which
has also been discredited and debunked. They
never have an original idea. It's like there is
a list somewhere on a liberal website that says,
"Here are a dozen talking points which we want
you to hammer on." On this list there are such
things as

1) Keep repeating President Bush is a liar. If you
say it enough times maybe we can get a few
more brain-dead people to believe it.

2) Keep saying President Bush is stupid. This is
something all liberals can identify with because
they are none too bright. No matter how many
times the President defeats us stupid people
like the majority of liberals will continue
to believe the President is stupid.

3) Keep calling the President a murderer. This will
get a few votes from Democrats who are incarcerated
for felonies but manage to vote anyway along with
the dead we have registered.

4) Keep asking "Where are the WMD's." This is something
we can continue to ask because no liberal is going to
believe there are WMDs even when they are found.

5) Keep delighting in using dead soldiers as political fodder.
Never show and respect for their families and friends.
This will seduce the very far left and get them to do some
more street demonstrations.

6) Keep saying there is no connection between bin Laden
and Iraq even when there was a terrorist training camp
called Salman Pak with a fuselage of a 707 used for
hijack training exercises.

7) Keep saying the US is going it alone in the war against
terrorism even though 20-30 nations have joined us in
the fight. Keep saying bin Laden is alive even if there
is no real proof that he is. Keep saying Saddam Hussein
is still alive even though there is no real proof that he
is.

8) Keep saying that President Bush is taking away all
our liberties with the Patriot Act. Ignore the fact
that Congress passed it with even most liberal
Democrats voting for it.

9) Keep saying the economy is the worst in 20 years
and it Mr. Bush's fault even when the President
inherited the bad economy from his predecessor.
Keep talking down the economy even in the face
of statistics that show the economy has overcome
the Clinton recession and the effects of the events
of 9-11 because of the Bush tax cuts. Hammer on
a "jobless" recovery even when unemployment is
dropping. Never mind the fact that we just had
a record third quarter in the GDP. Never mind
people are making fantastic returns in the stock
market again. Never mind that productivity is way
up. Just keep lying and being negative. This will
convince many ignorant people that things are
really bad and will continue to be.

And on and on it goes - all a bunch of lies and negativism.
This is the stock and trade of liberals. They have no ideas,
no programs of their own to solve any problem. They wish
only to create problems and illusions of problems so they
can say, "Vote for us - we can fix all these ills," even when
the record shows they have never fixed any ills. They wish
to keep them around so they can tell people to vote for us
so we can fix them.

People have wised up. People realize liberalism is a dead
end and this is why people started voting out liberals in
1994, 1996, 1998, 2000, 2004 and will do so again in
2004. This is why conservatives control the House, the
Senate, the White House and recently the Governorship
of California, Mississippi, Kentucky, and Virginia.

The majority of the population cannot abide whining,
cry babies who have nothing positive to offer. You
liberals need to grow up and lose the negative anti-
American rhetoric.

S.Simon



The_navigator© November 13th 03 12:04 AM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 
Well some say bin laden is alive beacuse he used to be alive and there
is no proof he's dead. Bit like the US view on WMD's really -if you
think about it.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

Has anyone else besides me noticed how incoherent
the whining, complaining terrorist sympathizers like
Bobsprit, Donal and Navigator are lately? The never
were very persuasive and never had any ideas of
their own as far as alternatives to which the bitch
moan and groan about but in the past month or so
they don't seem to even be able to even complain
with any conviction.

When challenged they jump to another liberal
talking point which has been discredited badly in
the past. When faced with evidence that they
have already lost on this issue they change tacks
and go another lame liberal talking point which
has also been discredited and debunked. They
never have an original idea. It's like there is
a list somewhere on a liberal website that says,
"Here are a dozen talking points which we want
you to hammer on." On this list there are such
things as

1) Keep repeating President Bush is a liar. If you
say it enough times maybe we can get a few
more brain-dead people to believe it.

2) Keep saying President Bush is stupid. This is
something all liberals can identify with because
they are none too bright. No matter how many
times the President defeats us stupid people
like the majority of liberals will continue
to believe the President is stupid.

3) Keep calling the President a murderer. This will
get a few votes from Democrats who are incarcerated
for felonies but manage to vote anyway along with
the dead we have registered.

4) Keep asking "Where are the WMD's." This is something
we can continue to ask because no liberal is going to
believe there are WMDs even when they are found.

5) Keep delighting in using dead soldiers as political fodder.
Never show and respect for their families and friends.
This will seduce the very far left and get them to do some
more street demonstrations.

6) Keep saying there is no connection between bin Laden
and Iraq even when there was a terrorist training camp
called Salman Pak with a fuselage of a 707 used for
hijack training exercises.

7) Keep saying the US is going it alone in the war against
terrorism even though 20-30 nations have joined us in
the fight. Keep saying bin Laden is alive even if there
is no real proof that he is. Keep saying Saddam Hussein
is still alive even though there is no real proof that he
is.

8) Keep saying that President Bush is taking away all
our liberties with the Patriot Act. Ignore the fact
that Congress passed it with even most liberal
Democrats voting for it.

9) Keep saying the economy is the worst in 20 years
and it Mr. Bush's fault even when the President
inherited the bad economy from his predecessor.
Keep talking down the economy even in the face
of statistics that show the economy has overcome
the Clinton recession and the effects of the events
of 9-11 because of the Bush tax cuts. Hammer on
a "jobless" recovery even when unemployment is
dropping. Never mind the fact that we just had
a record third quarter in the GDP. Never mind
people are making fantastic returns in the stock
market again. Never mind that productivity is way
up. Just keep lying and being negative. This will
convince many ignorant people that things are
really bad and will continue to be.

And on and on it goes - all a bunch of lies and negativism.
This is the stock and trade of liberals. They have no ideas,
no programs of their own to solve any problem. They wish
only to create problems and illusions of problems so they
can say, "Vote for us - we can fix all these ills," even when
the record shows they have never fixed any ills. They wish
to keep them around so they can tell people to vote for us
so we can fix them.

People have wised up. People realize liberalism is a dead
end and this is why people started voting out liberals in
1994, 1996, 1998, 2000, 2004 and will do so again in
2004. This is why conservatives control the House, the
Senate, the White House and recently the Governorship
of California, Mississippi, Kentucky, and Virginia.

The majority of the population cannot abide whining,
cry babies who have nothing positive to offer. You
liberals need to grow up and lose the negative anti-
American rhetoric.

S.Simon




Donal November 13th 03 12:15 AM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
4) Keep asking "Where are the WMD's." This is something
we can continue to ask because no liberal is going to
believe there are WMDs even when they are found.



That is the funniest thing that I have ever read.


6) Keep saying there is no connection between bin Laden
and Iraq even when there was a terrorist training camp
called Salman Pak with a fuselage of a 707 used for
hijack training exercises.


Rubbish.



7) Keep saying the US is going it alone in the war against
terrorism even though 20-30 nations have joined us in
the fight.


20-30? Name 6.


Keep saying bin Laden is alive even if there
is no real proof that he is. Keep saying Saddam Hussein
is still alive even though there is no real proof that he
is.


Are they dead?

If so, why did US forces embark on a major mission in Afghanistan,
yesterday? Press reports suggest that a new hunt is underway for bin Laden.
There have been no denials from the White House.

I wish your soldiers "Good Luck". Do you??


Regards


Donal
--




Simple Simon November 13th 03 12:27 AM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 

"Donal" wrote in message ...

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
7) Keep saying the US is going it alone in the war against
terrorism even though 20-30 nations have joined us in
the fight.


20-30? Name 6.


Here are 18 in NATO alone:
http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~irclu...ATO_terror.PDF



Donal November 13th 03 12:37 AM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

"Donal" wrote in message

...

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
7) Keep saying the US is going it alone in the war against
terrorism even though 20-30 nations have joined us in
the fight.


20-30? Name 6.


Here are 18 in NATO alone:
http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~irclu...ATO_terror.PDF


I notice that both France and Germany are in your list.

I think that you need to look for another link! Start here www.google,com

Better luck next time.


Regards


Donal - don't argue with me. You will lose!
--






Simple Simon November 13th 03 12:40 AM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 
I do apologize to the group for leaving Oz off the list
of whining, ignorant liberals. His responses below
prove he deserves to be on the list. Notice how he
says nothing positive, has no ideas of his own and
can't even mind his own business because he is so
eager to make a fool out of himself.

Go shave some sheep and make yourself useful.

S.Simon


Capetanios Oz wrote in message ...
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 18:54:07 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:


1) Keep repeating President Bush is a liar. If you
say it enough times maybe we can get a few
more brain-dead people to believe it.


Hmm difficult task, educating the brain dead.
Maybe you should take away their voting rights and get a decent Govt.

2) Keep saying President Bush is stupid. This is
something all liberals can identify with because
they are none too bright. No matter how many
times the President defeats us stupid people
like the majority of liberals will continue
to believe the President is stupid.


He's got all those brain dead people voting for him.

3) Keep calling the President a murderer. This will
get a few votes from Democrats who are incarcerated
for felonies but manage to vote anyway along with
the dead we have registered.


Yep, plenty of brain dead!

4) Keep asking "Where are the WMD's." This is something
we can continue to ask because no liberal is going to
believe there are WMDs even when they are found.


Hope springs eternal hey Cappy?
Bush has dropped that one now, he knows it'll hurt him.


5) Keep delighting in using dead soldiers as political fodder.
Never show and respect for their families and friends.
This will seduce the very far left and get them to do some
more street demonstrations.


You mean keep reminding people that they are dying because of a bunch
of lies and misrepresentations?

6) Keep saying there is no connection between bin Laden
and Iraq even when there was a terrorist training camp
called Salman Pak with a fuselage of a 707 used for
hijack training exercises.


Jeez Cappy, you need a more up to date news server.
Even Shrub is backing away from that one!

7) Keep saying the US is going it alone in the war against
terrorism even though 20-30 nations have joined us in
the fight. Keep saying bin Laden is alive even if there
is no real proof that he is. Keep saying Saddam Hussein
is still alive even though there is no real proof that he
is.


20 - 30?
Yeah sure!
Oh and there's no proof he's dead either.
Come to think of it, If you look at the evidence that he's alive, it's
more compelling than the prewar evidence that Iraq had WMD and was
developing a nuke capability.

8) Keep saying that President Bush is taking away all
our liberties with the Patriot Act. Ignore the fact
that Congress passed it with even most liberal
Democrats voting for it.


Take a look at what you NOW call a free country compared to pre 911.
You're so busy fighting to free the oppressed of the world and waving
your flag that you've failed to see your own freedoms being nibbled
away. Just wait till someone decides your president needs impeaching
and see how many instigators are arrested and gaoled.

9) Keep saying the economy is the worst in 20 years
and it Mr. Bush's fault even when the President
inherited the bad economy from his predecessor.
Keep talking down the economy even in the face
of statistics that show the economy has overcome
the Clinton recession and the effects of the events
of 9-11 because of the Bush tax cuts. Hammer on
a "jobless" recovery even when unemployment is
dropping. Never mind the fact that we just had
a record third quarter in the GDP. Never mind
people are making fantastic returns in the stock
market again. Never mind that productivity is way
up. Just keep lying and being negative. This will
convince many ignorant people that things are
really bad and will continue to be.


Jesus, you really are blind!

And on and on it goes - all a bunch of lies and negativism.
This is the stock and trade of liberals. They have no ideas,
no programs of their own to solve any problem. They wish
only to create problems and illusions of problems so they
can say, "Vote for us - we can fix all these ills," even when
the record shows they have never fixed any ills. They wish
to keep them around so they can tell people to vote for us
so we can fix them.


Blinder still!
No sense trying to educate the brain dead, you're living on reflex!




Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.





Simple Simon November 13th 03 12:47 AM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 
Even when presented with proof of their errors
liberals refuse to believe.

Yes, both France and Germany are partners in the
war against terrorism. Believe it.

S.Simon.


"Donal" wrote in message ...

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

"Donal" wrote in message

...

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
7) Keep saying the US is going it alone in the war against
terrorism even though 20-30 nations have joined us in
the fight.

20-30? Name 6.


Here are 18 in NATO alone:
http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~irclu...ATO_terror.PDF


I notice that both France and Germany are in your list.

I think that you need to look for another link! Start here www.google,com

Better luck next time.


Regards


Donal - don't argue with me. You will lose!
--








Bobsprit November 13th 03 01:01 AM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 
Yes, both France and Germany are partners in the
war against terrorism.

Yeah, but not ours.

RB

Simple Simon November 13th 03 01:13 AM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 

You look it up. Count 18 countries in NATO alone and then
count countries in other parts of the world that stand with
the USA in the war against terrorism. (India, China, Japan,
Russia, Pakistan, South Korea, Egypt, Brazil, Mexico, Australia,
and on and on and on.

You lose. My claiming 20-30 was a conservative figure.
The last list I read had at least 35 countries with us
in the war against terrorism.

S.Simon


Capetanios Oz wrote in message ...
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:27:42 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:


"Donal" wrote in message ...

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
7) Keep saying the US is going it alone in the war against
terrorism even though 20-30 nations have joined us in
the fight.

20-30? Name 6.


Here are 18 in NATO alone:
http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~irclu...ATO_terror.PDF


Still short of 20, nowhere near 30!
Just how many countries are there in the World Cappy?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.





Simple Simon November 13th 03 01:15 AM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 
Yes they are. They disagreed with our open war
with Iraq because they stood to lose big time
economically because of their contracts with
the govt. of Iraq. They do agree with in the
broader war against terrorism. Read the link.

It's about time you assholes had your noses
rubbed in the evidence.

S.Simon


"Bobsprit" wrote in message ...
Yes, both France and Germany are partners in the
war against terrorism.

Yeah, but not ours.

RB




Simple Simon November 13th 03 01:20 AM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 


No! But it could be your drivel was not worth
the time it takes to mop it up. Only worthy responses
are worthy of response.

S.Simon

Capetanios Oz wrote in message ...
Notice how Cappy doen't attempt to answer any of my comments.
Could it be that I spake the truth?




Jonathan Ganz November 13th 03 02:00 AM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 
Yes. We've noticed the following....

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

You're right. Conservatives would never call Clinton
a liar about a blowjob.

1) Keep repeating President Bush is a liar. If you
say it enough times maybe we can get a few
more brain-dead people to believe it.


I don't think the conservatives *ever* called Clinton
stupid. The liberals did though.

2) Keep saying President Bush is stupid. This is
something all liberals can identify with because
they are none too bright. No matter how many
times the President defeats us stupid people
like the majority of liberals will continue
to believe the President is stupid.


Who is "we"?

3) Keep calling the President a murderer. This will
get a few votes from Democrats who are incarcerated
for felonies but manage to vote anyway along with
the dead we have registered.


I think that if and when they are found (in Iraq, as opposed
to in the US - because we *do* have them), liberals would
acknowledge their existence, perhaps even faster than the
conservatives have acknowledged their hypocrisy about
fidelity.

4) Keep asking "Where are the WMD's." This is something
we can continue to ask because no liberal is going to
believe there are WMDs even when they are found.


I can see this is true because every president in modern times
has gone to the funerals of fallen soldiers *except* Bush.

5) Keep delighting in using dead soldiers as political fodder.
Never show and respect for their families and friends.
This will seduce the very far left and get them to do some
more street demonstrations.


In any case, there is no connection, which even Bush has
said repeatedly.

6) Keep saying there is no connection between bin Laden
and Iraq even when there was a terrorist training camp
called Salman Pak with a fuselage of a 707 used for
hijack training exercises.


Yep, well, I guess we're just outnumbered by our partners'
soldiers in Iraq.

7) Keep saying the US is going it alone in the war against
terrorism even though 20-30 nations have joined us in
the fight. Keep saying bin Laden is alive even if there
is no real proof that he is. Keep saying Saddam Hussein
is still alive even though there is no real proof that he
is.


Actually, he's just proposing that they be taken away. And,
most of the wimps in Congress (liberal and conservative)
go along with it.

8) Keep saying that President Bush is taking away all
our liberties with the Patriot Act. Ignore the fact
that Congress passed it with even most liberal
Democrats voting for it.


It's not worse. It's much worse, especially with respect
to job loss. Eventually, when companies can't squeeze
another ounce of work out of employees, they might
start hiring, but first they'll raise prices, assuming we
don't enter a devalution situation. Sounds wonderful.

9) Keep saying the economy is the worst in 20 years
and it Mr. Bush's fault even when the President
inherited the bad economy from his predecessor.
Keep talking down the economy even in the face
of statistics that show the economy has overcome
the Clinton recession and the effects of the events
of 9-11 because of the Bush tax cuts. Hammer on
a "jobless" recovery even when unemployment is
dropping. Never mind the fact that we just had
a record third quarter in the GDP. Never mind
people are making fantastic returns in the stock
market again. Never mind that productivity is way
up. Just keep lying and being negative. This will
convince many ignorant people that things are
really bad and will continue to be.


And so it goes... more half truths and lies from Bushy
and his moronic followers.

And on and on it goes - all a bunch of lies and negativism.
This is the stock and trade of liberals. They have no ideas,
no programs of their own to solve any problem. They wish
only to create problems and illusions of problems so they
can say, "Vote for us - we can fix all these ills," even when
the record shows they have never fixed any ills. They wish
to keep them around so they can tell people to vote for us
so we can fix them.


My prediction... Bushy and Chumpy are out of here next
election.



Jonathan Ganz November 13th 03 02:01 AM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 
And they all have troups there too!

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

You look it up. Count 18 countries in NATO alone and then
count countries in other parts of the world that stand with
the USA in the war against terrorism. (India, China, Japan,
Russia, Pakistan, South Korea, Egypt, Brazil, Mexico, Australia,
and on and on and on.

You lose. My claiming 20-30 was a conservative figure.
The last list I read had at least 35 countries with us
in the war against terrorism.

S.Simon


Capetanios Oz wrote in message

...
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:27:42 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:


"Donal" wrote in message

...

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
7) Keep saying the US is going it alone in the war against
terrorism even though 20-30 nations have joined us in
the fight.

20-30? Name 6.

Here are 18 in NATO alone:
http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~irclu...ATO_terror.PDF


Still short of 20, nowhere near 30!
Just how many countries are there in the World Cappy?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.







Simple Simon November 13th 03 02:08 AM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 
I didn't say that. I said 20-30 countries support us
in the war against terrorism. I did not say they all
had sent troops to Iraq.

The war against terrorism is much larger than just
Iraq and try not to forget it.

S.Simon


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
And they all have troups there too!

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

You look it up. Count 18 countries in NATO alone and then
count countries in other parts of the world that stand with
the USA in the war against terrorism. (India, China, Japan,
Russia, Pakistan, South Korea, Egypt, Brazil, Mexico, Australia,
and on and on and on.

You lose. My claiming 20-30 was a conservative figure.
The last list I read had at least 35 countries with us
in the war against terrorism.

S.Simon


Capetanios Oz wrote in message

...
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:27:42 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:


"Donal" wrote in message

...

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
7) Keep saying the US is going it alone in the war against
terrorism even though 20-30 nations have joined us in
the fight.

20-30? Name 6.

Here are 18 in NATO alone:
http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~irclu...ATO_terror.PDF


Still short of 20, nowhere near 30!
Just how many countries are there in the World Cappy?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.









Simple Simon November 13th 03 02:09 AM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 
Put some money where your mouth is . . .


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...

My prediction... Bushy and Chumpy are out of here next
election.





Scott Vernon November 13th 03 02:57 AM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 
such as ?

Capt. kangaroo wrote ...
your own freedoms being nibbled away.


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Scott Vernon November 13th 03 03:01 AM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 
doing what, Swan Lake?

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote ...
And they all have troups there too!




Thom Stewart November 13th 03 03:14 AM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 
Uk, Turkey, Italy, Spain, Poland, Austrailia


Jonathan Ganz November 13th 03 05:06 AM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 
Well, I support the manufacture of chocolate. That doesn't
really mean much does it.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
I didn't say that. I said 20-30 countries support us
in the war against terrorism. I did not say they all
had sent troops to Iraq.

The war against terrorism is much larger than just
Iraq and try not to forget it.

S.Simon


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

...
And they all have troups there too!

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

You look it up. Count 18 countries in NATO alone and then
count countries in other parts of the world that stand with
the USA in the war against terrorism. (India, China, Japan,
Russia, Pakistan, South Korea, Egypt, Brazil, Mexico, Australia,
and on and on and on.

You lose. My claiming 20-30 was a conservative figure.
The last list I read had at least 35 countries with us
in the war against terrorism.

S.Simon


Capetanios Oz wrote in message

...
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:27:42 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:


"Donal" wrote in message

...

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
7) Keep saying the US is going it alone in the war against
terrorism even though 20-30 nations have joined us in
the fight.

20-30? Name 6.

Here are 18 in NATO alone:

http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~irclu...ATO_terror.PDF


Still short of 20, nowhere near 30!
Just how many countries are there in the World Cappy?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.











Jonathan Ganz November 13th 03 05:07 AM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 
hahahaha...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
doing what, Swan Lake?

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote ...
And they all have troups there too!






Jonathan Ganz November 13th 03 05:08 AM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 
Sure... $5. That's all either of them are worth. I'll pay you via
PayPal if I'm wrong. How about you?

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Put some money where your mouth is . . .


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

...

My prediction... Bushy and Chumpy are out of here next
election.







Donal November 13th 03 06:30 PM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Even when presented with proof of their errors
liberals refuse to believe.

Yes, both France and Germany are partners in the
war against terrorism. Believe it.


Is Iraq is part of the "War against Terrorism"?

If it is, then you cannot claim to have the support of France or Germany.


If you wish to claim the support of 20 countries for the "War against
Terrorism", then you must admit that the war in Iraq has nothing to with
fighting Terrorism.

You seem to have painted yourself into a corner again.

Regards

Donal
--



Simple Simon November 13th 03 10:47 PM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 


The war against terrorism involves more than overt
action. There is a lot of covert stuff going on as well.

Countries who may not openly agree with covert action
still are supporting with the covert action and other
less violent action such as drying up funds terrorists
transfer from bank to bank to finance operations.

Your logic is faulty. There exists no corner into
which I can paint myself in this case. There exists
only the facts the link displayed to your chagrin those
facts being that ALL the NATO nations are with the
USA in the war against terrorism. That the majority
of nations don't provide soldiers to fight in Iraq does
not belie the fact they are with us in the war against
terrorism.

And, attempting to change the subject only shows that
you cannot argue with these facts. You lose yet again!


S.Simon



"Donal" wrote in message ...

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Even when presented with proof of their errors
liberals refuse to believe.

Yes, both France and Germany are partners in the
war against terrorism. Believe it.


Is Iraq is part of the "War against Terrorism"?

If it is, then you cannot claim to have the support of France or Germany.


If you wish to claim the support of 20 countries for the "War against
Terrorism", then you must admit that the war in Iraq has nothing to with
fighting Terrorism.

You seem to have painted yourself into a corner again.

Regards

Donal
--





Simple Simon November 13th 03 11:08 PM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 
And what do you have against reprisals against
terrorists and governments that support terrorism?

S.Simon


Capetanios Oz wrote in message ...

Says a lot Cappy.
Plenty of countries are doing what they can to work against
terrorists.
The US with the aid of a couple of others, is the only one that has
invaded countries and killed tens of thousands in what can only be
seen by the vast majority as reprisal attacks.

Is the US now the new Israel?


On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:47:35 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:



The war against terrorism involves more than overt
action. There is a lot of covert stuff going on as well.

Countries who may not openly agree with covert action
still are supporting with the covert action and other
less violent action such as drying up funds terrorists
transfer from bank to bank to finance operations.

Your logic is faulty. There exists no corner into
which I can paint myself in this case. There exists
only the facts the link displayed to your chagrin those
facts being that ALL the NATO nations are with the
USA in the war against terrorism. That the majority
of nations don't provide soldiers to fight in Iraq does
not belie the fact they are with us in the war against
terrorism.

And, attempting to change the subject only shows that
you cannot argue with these facts. You lose yet again!


S.Simon



"Donal" wrote in message ...

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Even when presented with proof of their errors
liberals refuse to believe.

Yes, both France and Germany are partners in the
war against terrorism. Believe it.


Is Iraq is part of the "War against Terrorism"?

If it is, then you cannot claim to have the support of France or Germany.


If you wish to claim the support of 20 countries for the "War against
Terrorism", then you must admit that the war in Iraq has nothing to with
fighting Terrorism.

You seem to have painted yourself into a corner again.

Regards

Donal
--






Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.





Grouch November 13th 03 11:12 PM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 
Israel would have to be considered bad, or wrong in some way, for the
way they are dealing with their own, long standing terrorists. Most of
the non-terrorist supporting world have no qualm with the way Israel is
handling terrorists inside their boarder, and I, for one, am glad they
are doing their part to keep the terrorists on the run so they cannot
regroup and cause another 9/11 elsewhere.

Your attempt at an insult is laughable to the civilized world.

(but now we know a little more about what makes you tick)


Capetanios Oz wrote:
Says a lot Cappy.
Plenty of countries are doing what they can to work against
terrorists.
The US with the aid of a couple of others, is the only one that has
invaded countries and killed tens of thousands in what can only be
seen by the vast majority as reprisal attacks.

Is the US now the new Israel?


On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:47:35 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:



The war against terrorism involves more than overt
action. There is a lot of covert stuff going on as well.

Countries who may not openly agree with covert action
still are supporting with the covert action and other
less violent action such as drying up funds terrorists
transfer from bank to bank to finance operations.

Your logic is faulty. There exists no corner into
which I can paint myself in this case. There exists
only the facts the link displayed to your chagrin those
facts being that ALL the NATO nations are with the
USA in the war against terrorism. That the majority
of nations don't provide soldiers to fight in Iraq does
not belie the fact they are with us in the war against
terrorism.

And, attempting to change the subject only shows that
you cannot argue with these facts. You lose yet again!


S.Simon



"Donal" wrote in message ...

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

Even when presented with proof of their errors
liberals refuse to believe.

Yes, both France and Germany are partners in the
war against terrorism. Believe it.


Is Iraq is part of the "War against Terrorism"?

If it is, then you cannot claim to have the support of France or Germany.


If you wish to claim the support of 20 countries for the "War against
Terrorism", then you must admit that the war in Iraq has nothing to with
fighting Terrorism.

You seem to have painted yourself into a corner again.

Regards

Donal
--






Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.




Simple Simon November 13th 03 11:47 PM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 
Yes sir tell that one to Genghis Khan, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Hirohito,
etc. The whole key to the thing is total defeat. One cannot wuss
around like you pacifist liberal fools and allow it to go on and on.

Any enemy soundly and thoroughly defeated is an enemy no longer.
The whole of history proves this fact.

S.Simon


Capetanios Oz wrote in message ...

Ummm reprisals bring reprisals until soon no-one remembers who started
it....if they can now.

You didn't get my Israel reference?


On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:08:58 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

And what do you have against reprisals against
terrorists and governments that support terrorism?

S.Simon


Capetanios Oz wrote in message ...

Says a lot Cappy.
Plenty of countries are doing what they can to work against
terrorists.
The US with the aid of a couple of others, is the only one that has
invaded countries and killed tens of thousands in what can only be
seen by the vast majority as reprisal attacks.

Is the US now the new Israel?




Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.





Vito November 14th 03 02:10 PM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 
Donal wrote:

"Simple Simon" wrote
Yes, both France and Germany are partners in the
war against terrorism. Believe it.


Is Iraq is part of the "War against Terrorism"?

If it is, then you cannot claim to have the support of France or Germany.

If you wish to claim the support of 20 countries for the "War against
Terrorism", then you must admit that the war in Iraq has nothing to with
fighting Terrorism.


It's just a matter of who's ox is getting gored. Saddam was indisputably
supporting Palistinian suicide bombers who attacked Israel. If you see
these bombers as terrorists then you must admit that Saddam was
supporting terrorism. If OTOH you see them as desperate patriots trying
to save their homeland from European invaders bent on genocide then
Saddam was not supporting terrorism, we are.

It's interesting that most of the European invaders were Jews driven out
of France and Germany after WW2.

Jeff Morris November 14th 03 03:42 PM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 
"Vito" wrote in message ...
Donal wrote:

It's interesting that most of the European invaders were Jews driven out
of France and Germany after WW2.


Wrong. You're forgetting that over 800,000 Jews were driven out of Arab lands in the late
40's, early 50's. In fact, the number of Jews forcibly evicted (and generally not allowed
to take any significant property or money) from Arab lands exceeded the number of
Palestinian refugees, almost all of which left voluntarily.

Iran and Iraq, for instance, had major Jewish communities, going back 2500 years. At one
time Baghdad was 20% Jewish. Now, only a handful of Jews live in either country.
Although some of the Jews remained until the 70's,in that period essentially all were
evicted and all property confiscated.

The actual numbers are hard to sort out, because Russia is included as "Europe." Even so,
roughly half if the immigration in the 5 years after independence was from Africa & Asia.
And a large portion of the European immigrants were from Romania, and other Eastern
countries, not from France and Germany.



Grouch November 14th 03 03:59 PM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 

Nope. And I am not a terrorist sympathizer, either

Capetanios Oz wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:12:33 GMT, Grouch
wrote:


Israel would have to be considered bad, or wrong in some way, for the
way they are dealing with their own, long standing terrorists. Most of
the non-terrorist supporting world have no qualm with the way Israel is
handling terrorists inside their boarder, and I, for one, am glad they
are doing their part to keep the terrorists on the run so they cannot
regroup and cause another 9/11 elsewhere.



So now it's Israeli terrorists responsible for 911?
Hope you're not a Bush advisor.


In a way, yes. Although, I'm not sure they are considered citizens, but
the terrorists in Israel are supported by the same terrorist leaders who
supported the terorists who brought down the WTC in Booby's backyard.

I think I am more of a do'er than what Bush is seeking in his team.


Your attempt at an insult is laughable to the civilized world.

(but now we know a little more about what makes you tick)



You Jewish?


Nope, just not a terrorist sympathizer.



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.




Donal November 14th 03 05:39 PM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
"Vito" wrote in message

...
Donal wrote:

It's interesting that most of the European invaders were Jews driven out
of France and Germany after WW2.


Wrong. You're forgetting that over 800,000 Jews were driven out of Arab

lands in the late
40's, early 50's. In fact, the number of Jews forcibly evicted (and

generally not allowed
to take any significant property or money) from Arab lands exceeded the

number of
Palestinian refugees, almost all of which left voluntarily.


Some were driven out of Spain several centuries ago ( in the 1200's, IIRC).
They still speak an antiquated form of Spanish.



Regards


Donal
--



Jonathan Ganz November 14th 03 05:43 PM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 
Nuke em of course. That's the American way!

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
And what do you have against reprisals against
terrorists and governments that support terrorism?

S.Simon


Capetanios Oz wrote in message

...

Says a lot Cappy.
Plenty of countries are doing what they can to work against
terrorists.
The US with the aid of a couple of others, is the only one that has
invaded countries and killed tens of thousands in what can only be
seen by the vast majority as reprisal attacks.

Is the US now the new Israel?


On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:47:35 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:



The war against terrorism involves more than overt
action. There is a lot of covert stuff going on as well.

Countries who may not openly agree with covert action
still are supporting with the covert action and other
less violent action such as drying up funds terrorists
transfer from bank to bank to finance operations.

Your logic is faulty. There exists no corner into
which I can paint myself in this case. There exists
only the facts the link displayed to your chagrin those
facts being that ALL the NATO nations are with the
USA in the war against terrorism. That the majority
of nations don't provide soldiers to fight in Iraq does
not belie the fact they are with us in the war against
terrorism.

And, attempting to change the subject only shows that
you cannot argue with these facts. You lose yet again!


S.Simon



"Donal" wrote in message

...

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Even when presented with proof of their errors
liberals refuse to believe.

Yes, both France and Germany are partners in the
war against terrorism. Believe it.


Is Iraq is part of the "War against Terrorism"?

If it is, then you cannot claim to have the support of France or

Germany.


If you wish to claim the support of 20 countries for the "War against
Terrorism", then you must admit that the war in Iraq has nothing to

with
fighting Terrorism.

You seem to have painted yourself into a corner again.

Regards

Donal
--






Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.







Vito November 14th 03 10:46 PM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 
Jeff Morris wrote:

"Vito" wrote in message ...
Donal wrote:

It's interesting that most of the European invaders were Jews driven out
of France and Germany after WW2.


Wrong. You're forgetting that over 800,000 Jews were driven out of Arab lands in the late
40's, early 50's. ...


You're right, I didn't know that and still tend to doubt the numbers,
but that doesn't contribute to the problems in the middle east today.
There were Jews in Palistine before WW2 and everybody more or less got
along - nothing like what was to come after WW2. NAZIs rounded up
Europes Jews. Their homes and shops were sold to locals and their money
hidden in Swiss banks. When the survivors returned the locals didn't
give those shops and homes back any quicker that the Swiss returned the
money leaving these Europeans with no choice but to invade Palestine and
establish "The Jewish State". Now they have to kill off the rest of the
Palestinians to make room for the Jews being kicked out of Arab
countries you mentioned. Sic semper something.

DSK November 14th 03 11:45 PM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 


Vito wrote:

You're right, I didn't know that and still tend to doubt the numbers,
but that doesn't contribute to the problems in the middle east today.
There were Jews in Palistine before WW2 and everybody more or less got
along - nothing like what was to come after WW2.


Not really. The Arabs under Turkish rule had pogroms & ghettoes for the Jews. Worse than most in
Europe, but of course they considered it 'getting along' because the Jews could not fight back.



.... NAZIs rounded up
Europes Jews. Their homes and shops were sold to locals and their money
hidden in Swiss banks. When the survivors returned the locals didn't
give those shops and homes back any quicker that the Swiss returned the
money leaving these Europeans with no choice but to invade Palestine and
establish "The Jewish State".


Now that is the biggest load of malarkey you have spouted yet. Where do you get this 'history'
you come up with?

DSK


Thom Stewart November 14th 03 11:59 PM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 
Oz,

You seem to ignore History rather well. The day after the UN created
Israel they were invaded by their newly UN created Neighbors. Syria,
Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Palestine, vowing to drive every Jew into the
Sea.

They didn't do it. They regrouped and tried it again and again each time
being defeated and losing territory, which the Israelis returned.

The Arabs then resorted to Terrorist Tactic and whining to the body of
the UN's Arab Block about Israel's fighting back.

They would deliver piles of rubble by trucks for the kids to throw at
the Jewish army

Now that the Jews are strong enough to fight back against the Suicide
Bombings you can't seem to remember why they had to become so strong

You have the nerve to ask is the poster was Jewish. Shame on you!! How
about if I ask YOU if you are a Jew Hater? It really has nothing to do
with right or wrong does it?

Can't drink to that. Your post left a very bad taste in my mouth!

I hope every damn Terrorist is killed or driven under ground never to be
heard from again. Since, it seems every Terrorist is Islamic in origin
and they seem to have no interest in correcting the situation. If that
is the way they are going to fight their "Jahad" then let's Kill the
*******s

OT


Simple Simon November 15th 03 12:08 AM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 


I don't know why you're surprised. It's been patently obvious
for quite some time that Oz is a racist bigot and a hypocrite.

S.Simon


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message ...
Oz,

You seem to ignore History rather well. The day after the UN created
Israel they were invaded by their newly UN created Neighbors. Syria,
Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Palestine, vowing to drive every Jew into the
Sea.

They didn't do it. They regrouped and tried it again and again each time
being defeated and losing territory, which the Israelis returned.

The Arabs then resorted to Terrorist Tactic and whining to the body of
the UN's Arab Block about Israel's fighting back.

They would deliver piles of rubble by trucks for the kids to throw at
the Jewish army

Now that the Jews are strong enough to fight back against the Suicide
Bombings you can't seem to remember why they had to become so strong

You have the nerve to ask is the poster was Jewish. Shame on you!! How
about if I ask YOU if you are a Jew Hater? It really has nothing to do
with right or wrong does it?

Can't drink to that. Your post left a very bad taste in my mouth!

I hope every damn Terrorist is killed or driven under ground never to be
heard from again. Since, it seems every Terrorist is Islamic in origin
and they seem to have no interest in correcting the situation. If that
is the way they are going to fight their "Jahad" then let's Kill the
*******s

OT




Jeff Morris November 15th 03 01:16 AM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 
some reading, a fair and balanced view ;-}:
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/myths/mf2.html#d
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Imm...Continent.html
The number often given for the number of Jewish refugees from Muslim countries between
1948 and 1972 is 820,000, with 586,000 settling in Israel.

Israel has no desire or need to "kill off the Palestinians." They have often offered a
reasonable peace. There will never be a peace, however, as long as there is a sizable
number of Arabs that consider a Jewish state in their midst to be an insult to their
religion.



"Vito" wrote in message ...
Jeff Morris wrote:

"Vito" wrote in message ...
Donal wrote:

It's interesting that most of the European invaders were Jews driven out
of France and Germany after WW2.


Wrong. You're forgetting that over 800,000 Jews were driven out of Arab lands in the

late
40's, early 50's. ...


You're right, I didn't know that and still tend to doubt the numbers,
but that doesn't contribute to the problems in the middle east today.
There were Jews in Palistine before WW2 and everybody more or less got
along - nothing like what was to come after WW2. NAZIs rounded up
Europes Jews. Their homes and shops were sold to locals and their money
hidden in Swiss banks. When the survivors returned the locals didn't
give those shops and homes back any quicker that the Swiss returned the
money leaving these Europeans with no choice but to invade Palestine and
establish "The Jewish State". Now they have to kill off the rest of the
Palestinians to make room for the Jews being kicked out of Arab
countries you mentioned. Sic semper something.




Donal November 15th 03 01:22 AM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Oz,

You seem to ignore History rather well. The day after the UN created
Israel they were invaded by their newly UN created Neighbors. Syria,
Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Palestine, vowing to drive every Jew into the
Sea.

They didn't do it. They regrouped and tried it again and again each time
being defeated and losing territory, which the Israelis returned.

The Arabs then resorted to Terrorist Tactic and whining to the body of
the UN's Arab Block about Israel's fighting back.

They would deliver piles of rubble by trucks for the kids to throw at
the Jewish army

Now that the Jews are strong enough to fight back against the Suicide
Bombings you can't seem to remember why they had to become so strong

You have the nerve to ask is the poster was Jewish. Shame on you!! How
about if I ask YOU if you are a Jew Hater? It really has nothing to do
with right or wrong does it?

Can't drink to that. Your post left a very bad taste in my mouth!

I hope every damn Terrorist is killed or driven under ground never to be
heard from again. Since, it seems every Terrorist is Islamic in origin
and they seem to have no interest in correcting the situation. If that
is the way they are going to fight their "Jahad" then let's Kill the
*******s


OT,
I agree with nearly everything that you have written above.




Regards


Donal
--




Capetanios Oz Twin November 15th 03 01:36 AM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 
More ole Tom lies.

--
Oz1...twin of the 3 twins
"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Oz,

You seem to ignore History rather well. The day after the UN created
Israel they were invaded by their newly UN created Neighbors. Syria,
Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Palestine, vowing to drive every Jew into the
Sea.

They didn't do it. They regrouped and tried it again and again each time
being defeated and losing territory, which the Israelis returned.

The Arabs then resorted to Terrorist Tactic and whining to the body of
the UN's Arab Block about Israel's fighting back.

They would deliver piles of rubble by trucks for the kids to throw at
the Jewish army

Now that the Jews are strong enough to fight back against the Suicide
Bombings you can't seem to remember why they had to become so strong

You have the nerve to ask is the poster was Jewish. Shame on you!! How
about if I ask YOU if you are a Jew Hater? It really has nothing to do
with right or wrong does it?

Can't drink to that. Your post left a very bad taste in my mouth!

I hope every damn Terrorist is killed or driven under ground never to be
heard from again. Since, it seems every Terrorist is Islamic in origin
and they seem to have no interest in correcting the situation. If that
is the way they are going to fight their "Jahad" then let's Kill the
*******s

OT




Jeff Morris November 15th 03 01:49 AM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 
More Oz lies.

Old Thom knows of what he speaks. Oz just makes it up as he goes along.

"Capetanios Oz Twin" wrote in message
. ..
More ole Tom lies.

--
Oz1...twin of the 3 twins
"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Oz,

You seem to ignore History rather well. The day after the UN created
Israel they were invaded by their newly UN created Neighbors. Syria,
Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Palestine, vowing to drive every Jew into the
Sea.

They didn't do it. They regrouped and tried it again and again each time
being defeated and losing territory, which the Israelis returned.

The Arabs then resorted to Terrorist Tactic and whining to the body of
the UN's Arab Block about Israel's fighting back.

They would deliver piles of rubble by trucks for the kids to throw at
the Jewish army

Now that the Jews are strong enough to fight back against the Suicide
Bombings you can't seem to remember why they had to become so strong

You have the nerve to ask is the poster was Jewish. Shame on you!! How
about if I ask YOU if you are a Jew Hater? It really has nothing to do
with right or wrong does it?

Can't drink to that. Your post left a very bad taste in my mouth!

I hope every damn Terrorist is killed or driven under ground never to be
heard from again. Since, it seems every Terrorist is Islamic in origin
and they seem to have no interest in correcting the situation. If that
is the way they are going to fight their "Jahad" then let's Kill the
*******s

OT






SkitchNYC November 15th 03 01:55 AM

Has anyone else noticed . . .
 
Oz,

You seem to ignore History rather well.


Oz is an anti-Semite. You can get away with that in Aussie..


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