Negative!

Draft and depth are two different things. Documenting
is all about tonnage and tonnage is a measurement of
freight carrying capacity in cubic feet. The depth is
one of the measurements of the volume of a vessel
and its ability to haul cargo. Documentation was
never really meant to be used for pleasure yachts.

S.Simon

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news
Did they list a draft measurement? If not than you can assume that depth of
hull is the draft of the vessel from waterline.... which would be correct
for Alien.

CM

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
|
|
| What an IDIOT!
|
| The construction of the hull has NOTHING to do
| with the depth measurement.
|
| The depth measurement is from the overhead to
| the top of the hull and is measured in the accommodation
| from the overhead to the floor of the hull atop the keel.
|
| The entire keel is NOT measured. What a PUTZ!
|
| S.Simon
|
|
| wrote in message
...
| On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 18:41:12 -0500, "Jeff Morris"
| wrote:
|
| We take it for granted that Booby knows nothing of these things. But
it would appear
| that neither do you.
|
| For starters, the number implies that the vessel was documented roughly
20 years ago.
| Its rather unlikely that RB (or any other owner) would bother changing
the measurement, so
| this is probably the original measurement that the factory supplied.
|
| Also, "Hull Depth" usually refers to the distance from the top of the
deck or sometimes
| the coachroof, down to the bottom of the hull, not including the keel.
|
| Due to the particular construction of C&C's, with a faired in keel stub,
the
| entire keel legally qualifies as part of the hull for measurement
purposes.
|
| BB
|
|

Draft of a vessel is a viable measurement. Gross tonnage would be as well.
Volume depends on the design of the vessel since you cannot derive volume
unless you have depth, length and width at stations throughout the length.
Since this differs greatly between different designs the carrying volume
would be a separate measurement not derived from one maximum "depth",
maximum width or maximum length.

Your supposition lacks merit upon close examination. I'd bet vessel depth
reflects the draft. It certainly has nothing whatsoever to do with the
volume of a hold or carrying capacity.

CM






"Simple Simon" wrote in message
news | Negative!
|
| Draft and depth are two different things. Documenting
| is all about tonnage and tonnage is a measurement of
| freight carrying capacity in cubic feet. The depth is
| one of the measurements of the volume of a vessel
| and its ability to haul cargo. Documentation was
| never really meant to be used for pleasure yachts.
|
| S.Simon
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news | Did they list a draft measurement? If not than you can assume that depth
of
| hull is the draft of the vessel from waterline.... which would be
correct
| for Alien.
|
| CM
|
| "Simple Simon" wrote in message
| ...
| |
| |
| | What an IDIOT!
| |
| | The construction of the hull has NOTHING to do
| | with the depth measurement.
| |
| | The depth measurement is from the overhead to
| | the top of the hull and is measured in the accommodation
| | from the overhead to the floor of the hull atop the keel.
| |
| | The entire keel is NOT measured. What a PUTZ!
| |
| | S.Simon
| |
| |
| | wrote in message
| ...
| | On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 18:41:12 -0500, "Jeff Morris"
| | wrote:
| |
| | We take it for granted that Booby knows nothing of these things.
But
| it would appear
| | that neither do you.
| |
| | For starters, the number implies that the vessel was documented
roughly
| 20 years ago.
| | Its rather unlikely that RB (or any other owner) would bother
changing
| the measurement, so
| | this is probably the original measurement that the factory
supplied.
| |
| | Also, "Hull Depth" usually refers to the distance from the top of
the
| deck or sometimes
| | the coachroof, down to the bottom of the hull, not including the
keel.
| |
| | Due to the particular construction of C&C's, with a faired in keel
stub,
| the
| | entire keel legally qualifies as part of the hull for measurement
| purposes.
| |
| | BB
| |
| |
|
|
|
|

You're wrong. Depth by definition is maximum depth.

In the same way LWL is the maximum length at the
water line.

In the same LOA is the maximum length from stem
to stern.

Look it up.

S.Simon


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ...
Draft of a vessel is a viable measurement. Gross tonnage would be as well.
Volume depends on the design of the vessel since you cannot derive volume
unless you have depth, length and width at stations throughout the length.
Since this differs greatly between different designs the carrying volume
would be a separate measurement not derived from one maximum "depth",
maximum width or maximum length.

Your supposition lacks merit upon close examination. I'd bet vessel depth
reflects the draft. It certainly has nothing whatsoever to do with the
volume of a hold or carrying capacity.

CM






"Simple Simon" wrote in message
news | Negative!
|
| Draft and depth are two different things. Documenting
| is all about tonnage and tonnage is a measurement of
| freight carrying capacity in cubic feet. The depth is
| one of the measurements of the volume of a vessel
| and its ability to haul cargo. Documentation was
| never really meant to be used for pleasure yachts.
|
| S.Simon
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news | Did they list a draft measurement? If not than you can assume that depth
of
| hull is the draft of the vessel from waterline.... which would be
correct
| for Alien.
|
| CM
|
| "Simple Simon" wrote in message
| ...
| |
| |
| | What an IDIOT!
| |
| | The construction of the hull has NOTHING to do
| | with the depth measurement.
| |
| | The depth measurement is from the overhead to
| | the top of the hull and is measured in the accommodation
| | from the overhead to the floor of the hull atop the keel.
| |
| | The entire keel is NOT measured. What a PUTZ!
| |
| | S.Simon
| |
| |
| | wrote in message
| ...
| | On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 18:41:12 -0500, "Jeff Morris"
| | wrote:
| |
| | We take it for granted that Booby knows nothing of these things.
But
| it would appear
| | that neither do you.
| |
| | For starters, the number implies that the vessel was documented
roughly
| 20 years ago.
| | Its rather unlikely that RB (or any other owner) would bother
changing
| the measurement, so
| | this is probably the original measurement that the factory
supplied.
| |
| | Also, "Hull Depth" usually refers to the distance from the top of
the
| deck or sometimes
| | the coachroof, down to the bottom of the hull, not including the
keel.
| |
| | Due to the particular construction of C&C's, with a faired in keel
stub,
| the
| | entire keel legally qualifies as part of the hull for measurement
| purposes.
| |
| | BB
| |
| |
|
|
|
|

Bobby's full name and address have appeared here many times.

Sorry, Bill. You've been busted again. I've never listed my complete address
here. You are the only lowlife to do that. Like I said before, you, Neal and
Scotty are the lowest lifeforms in this NG. Interesting that all 3 are stuck in
little cheap boats.

RB

Simple,

Once again I'm sorry to say, you are wrong.

The depth has to do with the height of the HULL. When you spoke of
tonnage, you were referring to displacement. Displacement refers to the
weight of the water displaced by the HULL. The Hull is measured from the
Gunnel to the top of the keel. The tonnage has to do with displaced
water not cargo space.

It is not measured to the cabin overhead, any more than it is measure to
the height of the cockpit floor. The 5 ft Measurement is probably
correct. Superstructure doesn't count.

The measurements on the application is just another example of Coast
Guard "Gobble-de-Gook" The CG acts like it is their duty to make
anything simple a subject to a complicated interruption.

AND: "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!"

Ole Thom

You are misinformed. Documentation looks at tonnage
and tonnage is a measure of volume and has little
to do with displacement.

Allow me to quote an authority - Eric Hiscock from his
fine book, "Cruising Under Sail".

"Depth is an internal measurement taken from the underside
of the deck amidships to the top of the main keel."

"Tonnage is found by calculating the capacity of the hull
and then making certain deductions for engine space,
stores, chartroom, etc."

In other words, tonnage, when documenting a vessel, is
a figure that represents internal volume and ability
to haul cargo therein. This type of tonnage actually
is derived from the word 'tun', which is a cask used in the
wine trade and the size of a ship used to be judged by the
number of tuns that could be stowed in the holds.

I'm surprised an old salt like you is so ignorant when
it comes to documented tonnage.

S.Simon


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message ...
Simple,

Once again I'm sorry to say, you are wrong.

The depth has to do with the height of the HULL. When you spoke of
tonnage, you were referring to displacement. Displacement refers to the
weight of the water displaced by the HULL. The Hull is measured from the
Gunnel to the top of the keel. The tonnage has to do with displaced
water not cargo space.

It is not measured to the cabin overhead, any more than it is measure to
the height of the cockpit floor. The 5 ft Measurement is probably
correct. Superstructure doesn't count.

The measurements on the application is just another example of Coast
Guard "Gobble-de-Gook" The CG acts like it is their duty to make
anything simple a subject to a complicated interruption.

AND: "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!"

Ole Thom

Sorry Nutsy,

Bill, made Susy's address public. Not your's. There seems to be some
dougbt that Apt #5 is a common address for the two of you.

It seems to me I remember you posting that you had a House. Are you
saying now that your house is an Apartment building in KEW GARDENS?

OT

It seems to me I remember you posting that you had a House. Are you
saying now that your house is an Apartment building in KEW GARDENS?

Thom, I own a house in Brooklyn, but I rent it out. I've mentioned this before.
Good troll.

RB

A fair explanation, but your first several posts on the topic indicated you did not
understand the measurement. It was only after I posted the link to the measurement that
you started to get it close to right.

Modern measurement of tonnage does not generally measure to the coachroof, it only goes up
to the deck. Thus, a vessel with full headroom might only be listed at 5 feet. My old
Nonsuch, with generous headroom ( 6.5 feet ?) is listed as having a 5.6 foot Depth.



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
You are misinformed. Documentation looks at tonnage
and tonnage is a measure of volume and has little
to do with displacement.

Allow me to quote an authority - Eric Hiscock from his
fine book, "Cruising Under Sail".

"Depth is an internal measurement taken from the underside
of the deck amidships to the top of the main keel."

"Tonnage is found by calculating the capacity of the hull
and then making certain deductions for engine space,
stores, chartroom, etc."

In other words, tonnage, when documenting a vessel, is
a figure that represents internal volume and ability
to haul cargo therein. This type of tonnage actually
is derived from the word 'tun', which is a cask used in the
wine trade and the size of a ship used to be judged by the
number of tuns that could be stowed in the holds.

I'm surprised an old salt like you is so ignorant when
it comes to documented tonnage.

S.Simon


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Simple,

Once again I'm sorry to say, you are wrong.

The depth has to do with the height of the HULL. When you spoke of
tonnage, you were referring to displacement. Displacement refers to the
weight of the water displaced by the HULL. The Hull is measured from the
Gunnel to the top of the keel. The tonnage has to do with displaced
water not cargo space.

It is not measured to the cabin overhead, any more than it is measure to
the height of the cockpit floor. The 5 ft Measurement is probably
correct. Superstructure doesn't count.

The measurements on the application is just another example of Coast
Guard "Gobble-de-Gook" The CG acts like it is their duty to make
anything simple a subject to a complicated interruption.

AND: "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!"

Ole Thom

I have always understood the measurement and I never even
saw or looked at your stupid link.

I measured my own boat for tonnage as required when I got
my original Master's license so I could list the tonnage of the
vessel on the sea time papers. In case you've never noticed
my deck is my coach roof. Only on flat decked boats with
no house or structure above the topsides does the depth
measurement exist as you state it. If cargo can be carried
in shelter under the house the area therein counts in the
volume that defines the tonnage.

S.Simon


"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ...
A fair explanation, but your first several posts on the topic indicated you did not
understand the measurement. It was only after I posted the link to the measurement that
you started to get it close to right.

Modern measurement of tonnage does not generally measure to the coachroof, it only goes up
to the deck. Thus, a vessel with full headroom might only be listed at 5 feet. My old
Nonsuch, with generous headroom ( 6.5 feet ?) is listed as having a 5.6 foot Depth.



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
You are misinformed. Documentation looks at tonnage
and tonnage is a measure of volume and has little
to do with displacement.

Allow me to quote an authority - Eric Hiscock from his
fine book, "Cruising Under Sail".

"Depth is an internal measurement taken from the underside
of the deck amidships to the top of the main keel."

"Tonnage is found by calculating the capacity of the hull
and then making certain deductions for engine space,
stores, chartroom, etc."

In other words, tonnage, when documenting a vessel, is
a figure that represents internal volume and ability
to haul cargo therein. This type of tonnage actually
is derived from the word 'tun', which is a cask used in the
wine trade and the size of a ship used to be judged by the
number of tuns that could be stowed in the holds.

I'm surprised an old salt like you is so ignorant when
it comes to documented tonnage.

S.Simon


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Simple,

Once again I'm sorry to say, you are wrong.

The depth has to do with the height of the HULL. When you spoke of
tonnage, you were referring to displacement. Displacement refers to the
weight of the water displaced by the HULL. The Hull is measured from the
Gunnel to the top of the keel. The tonnage has to do with displaced
water not cargo space.

It is not measured to the cabin overhead, any more than it is measure to
the height of the cockpit floor. The 5 ft Measurement is probably
correct. Superstructure doesn't count.

The measurements on the application is just another example of Coast
Guard "Gobble-de-Gook" The CG acts like it is their duty to make
anything simple a subject to a complicated interruption.

AND: "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!"

Ole Thom