So the question of attachment of motive power is not an issue either?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

If the cable is attached to the ferry and the ferry
does not sink when a man stands on it then it's a vessel.

The attachment of motive power is at the very core
of the issue.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...
So the question of attachment of motive power is not an issue either?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

If the cable is attached to the ferry and the ferry
does not sink when a man stands on it then it's a vessel.

Suppose the cable is helm by the ferryman? Is it not a vessel?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

The attachment of motive power is at the very core
of the issue.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

So the question of attachment of motive power is not an issue either?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:


If the cable is attached to the ferry and the ferry
does not sink when a man stands on it then it's a vessel.

You won't get me that easily . . .

Is 'held', I think you meant? If the ferryman can pull on
the cable hard enough to convey the ferry across the
water and the ferry does not sink in the process then
the ferry is a vessel. In this case the ferryman provides
the motive force just like an oarsman in a rowboat provides
the motive force.

However if the force comes from an external source
like a kite that pulls a board that sinks unless it is
being dragged along rapidly by a man holding onto
the kite then the board is not a vessel. In other words
the kite pulls the man and the man drags the board along
for the ride in this instance while the ferryman pulls with
his own muscles while being supported by the ferry and
the man goes along for the ride in the above instance.

I think you've finally caught on.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...
Suppose the cable is helm by the ferryman? Is it not a vessel?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

The attachment of motive power is at the very core
of the issue.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

So the question of attachment of motive power is not an issue either?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:


If the cable is attached to the ferry and the ferry
does not sink when a man stands on it then it's a vessel.

The only thing I've caught is a big fish that just won't give up the fight!

;-P

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:
You won't get me that easily . . .

Is 'held', I think you meant? If the ferryman can pull on
the cable hard enough to convey the ferry across the
water and the ferry does not sink in the process then
the ferry is a vessel. In this case the ferryman provides
the motive force just like an oarsman in a rowboat provides
the motive force.

However if the force comes from an external source
like a kite that pulls a board that sinks unless it is
being dragged along rapidly by a man holding onto
the kite then the board is not a vessel. In other words
the kite pulls the man and the man drags the board along
for the ride in this instance while the ferryman pulls with
his own muscles while being supported by the ferry and
the man goes along for the ride in the above instance.

I think you've finally caught on.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

Suppose the cable is helm by the ferryman? Is it not a vessel?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:


The attachment of motive power is at the very core
of the issue.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...


So the question of attachment of motive power is not an issue either?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:



If the cable is attached to the ferry and the ferry
does not sink when a man stands on it then it's a vessel.

What about barges, which have numerous references in the ColRegs. It is pretty clear they
are considered vessels in the rules.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
You won't get me that easily . . .

Is 'held', I think you meant? If the ferryman can pull on
the cable hard enough to convey the ferry across the
water and the ferry does not sink in the process then
the ferry is a vessel. In this case the ferryman provides
the motive force just like an oarsman in a rowboat provides
the motive force.

However if the force comes from an external source
like a kite that pulls a board that sinks unless it is
being dragged along rapidly by a man holding onto
the kite then the board is not a vessel. In other words
the kite pulls the man and the man drags the board along
for the ride in this instance while the ferryman pulls with
his own muscles while being supported by the ferry and
the man goes along for the ride in the above instance.

I think you've finally caught on.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
Suppose the cable is helm by the ferryman? Is it not a vessel?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

The attachment of motive power is at the very core
of the issue.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...

So the question of attachment of motive power is not an issue either?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:


If the cable is attached to the ferry and the ferry
does not sink when a man stands on it then it's a vessel.

What about them. It's pretty clear a barge is a vessel.

S.Simon


"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ...
What about barges, which have numerous references in the ColRegs. It is pretty clear they
are considered vessels in the rules.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
You won't get me that easily . . .

Is 'held', I think you meant? If the ferryman can pull on
the cable hard enough to convey the ferry across the
water and the ferry does not sink in the process then
the ferry is a vessel. In this case the ferryman provides
the motive force just like an oarsman in a rowboat provides
the motive force.

However if the force comes from an external source
like a kite that pulls a board that sinks unless it is
being dragged along rapidly by a man holding onto
the kite then the board is not a vessel. In other words
the kite pulls the man and the man drags the board along
for the ride in this instance while the ferryman pulls with
his own muscles while being supported by the ferry and
the man goes along for the ride in the above instance.

I think you've finally caught on.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
Suppose the cable is helm by the ferryman? Is it not a vessel?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

The attachment of motive power is at the very core
of the issue.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...

So the question of attachment of motive power is not an issue either?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:


If the cable is attached to the ferry and the ferry
does not sink when a man stands on it then it's a vessel.

I'm gonna miss these discussions . . . .Not! Hey Neal . .. when did you
start posting in Lats and Atts BB?