As it is sinking it can no longer comply with the Rules.
That is obvious. It has become a wreck. Wrecks need
not comply with the Rules.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...
So as it's sinking it does not need to obey Colregs? (Pulling the noose
ever so gently)

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

If it is sinking it is, indeed, no longer a vessel. A sunken vessel is
a wreck. Funny but that is an awfully loose noose. Maybe you
need to work on your hangman's knot.

S.Simon



"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

So the sub with negative buoyancy, sinking because she has flooded tanks
with people aboard is still a vessel? YOu can see the noose getting
closer can't you?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:


A submarine is ON water. What the hell do you think supports it?
Does the water upon which it floats not count? It matters not
if there is water above the hull as well.

No dilemma that I can see . . .

S.Simon

Capetanios Oz wrote in message ...


Ahh but Cappy, you who refers to the Merian W at every opportunity,
has failed to notice that your definition states that a vessel is one
that is used or capable of transportation ON water.
You see the dilema?

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:31:39 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:



A submarine does not sink to the bottom. It has ballast
tanks to keep it at the depths in which it chooses to
operate. It carries air so the crew can breathe and live.

There is a big difference between a vessel traveling under
water and a device that goes to the bottom with somebody
standing on it until the person runs out of air and dies.

Sooooooo stupid with your dumb attempts to refuse to
accept the obvious.

S.Simon

Capetanios Oz wrote in message ...


Interesting, a submarine is not a vessel when submerged?

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:00:04 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:



But, the colregs don't define displacement as not floating at all.
The word displacement means non-planing as in a displacement
sailboat vs. a planing motor boat.

Any craft or device that sinks out from under a person
unless the person is being pulled along at a good clip and
dragging the device along with him is clearly not a vessel.

Here is the definition again.

(a) The word "vessel" includes every description of watercraft, including non-displacement craft and seaplanes, used or

capable


of


being used as a means of transportation on water.

Note the word 'watercraft'. Here is the defintion of watercraft.

wa.ter.craft \-'kraft\ n : a craft for water transport : ship, boat

© 1995 Zane Publishing, Inc. The Merriam-Webster Dictionary © 1994 by Merriam-Webster, Incorporated

A board or a ski that has no way to be powered and sinks when one
stands on it cannot transport anything anywhere. These are not
watercraft. These are devices used by a person being pulled along
rapidly to stay on the surface.

S.Simon


S.Simon

"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...


The colregs clearly say the vessel need not be diplacement. In that
sense, a ski is simply overloaded and sinks when not planing. They also
float without people on them!

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:



You are clearly wrong. A kite board sinks when the
operator stands on it. A water ski also sinks when
the operator stands on it. Clearly neither is a vessel.

A barge floats when cargo or people are on it. Even if
it has no power it can drift from place to place with
the winds and current. A barge clearly is a vessel.



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.




Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Someone should tell that to the NAVY! Of course I disagree, a submerging
sub is not exept from Colregs and to suggest otherwise is quite wrong.
perhaps a submariner here would like to comment?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

As it is sinking it can no longer comply with the Rules.
That is obvious. It has become a wreck. Wrecks need
not comply with the Rules.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

So as it's sinking it does not need to obey Colregs? (Pulling the noose
ever so gently)

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:


If it is sinking it is, indeed, no longer a vessel. A sunken vessel is
a wreck. Funny but that is an awfully loose noose. Maybe you
need to work on your hangman's knot.

S.Simon



"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...


So the sub with negative buoyancy, sinking because she has flooded tanks
with people aboard is still a vessel? YOu can see the noose getting
closer can't you?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:



A submarine is ON water. What the hell do you think supports it?
Does the water upon which it floats not count? It matters not
if there is water above the hull as well.

No dilemma that I can see . . .

S.Simon

Capetanios Oz wrote in message ...



Ahh but Cappy, you who refers to the Merian W at every opportunity,
has failed to notice that your definition states that a vessel is one
that is used or capable of transportation ON water.
You see the dilema?

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:31:39 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:




A submarine does not sink to the bottom. It has ballast
tanks to keep it at the depths in which it chooses to
operate. It carries air so the crew can breathe and live.

There is a big difference between a vessel traveling under
water and a device that goes to the bottom with somebody
standing on it until the person runs out of air and dies.

Sooooooo stupid with your dumb attempts to refuse to
accept the obvious.

S.Simon

Capetanios Oz wrote in message ...



Interesting, a submarine is not a vessel when submerged?

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:00:04 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:




But, the colregs don't define displacement as not floating at all.
The word displacement means non-planing as in a displacement
sailboat vs. a planing motor boat.

Any craft or device that sinks out from under a person
unless the person is being pulled along at a good clip and
dragging the device along with him is clearly not a vessel.

Here is the definition again.

(a) The word "vessel" includes every description of watercraft, including non-displacement craft and seaplanes, used or

capable



of



being used as a means of transportation on water.

Note the word 'watercraft'. Here is the defintion of watercraft.

wa.ter.craft \-'kraft\ n : a craft for water transport : ship, boat

© 1995 Zane Publishing, Inc. The Merriam-Webster Dictionary © 1994 by Merriam-Webster, Incorporated

A board or a ski that has no way to be powered and sinks when one
stands on it cannot transport anything anywhere. These are not
watercraft. These are devices used by a person being pulled along
rapidly to stay on the surface.

S.Simon


S.Simon

"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...



The colregs clearly say the vessel need not be diplacement. In that
sense, a ski is simply overloaded and sinks when not planing. They also
float without people on them!

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:




You are clearly wrong. A kite board sinks when the
operator stands on it. A water ski also sinks when
the operator stands on it. Clearly neither is a vessel.

A barge floats when cargo or people are on it. Even if
it has no power it can drift from place to place with
the winds and current. A barge clearly is a vessel.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

I agree provided the submerging sub is not going down
for the count. If it's under control and has the ability
to re-surface it remains a vessel and must comply with
all applicable rules.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...
Someone should tell that to the NAVY! Of course I disagree, a submerging
sub is not exept from Colregs and to suggest otherwise is quite wrong.
perhaps a submariner here would like to comment?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

As it is sinking it can no longer comply with the Rules.
That is obvious. It has become a wreck. Wrecks need
not comply with the Rules.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

So as it's sinking it does not need to obey Colregs? (Pulling the noose
ever so gently)

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:


If it is sinking it is, indeed, no longer a vessel. A sunken vessel is
a wreck. Funny but that is an awfully loose noose. Maybe you
need to work on your hangman's knot.

S.Simon



"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...


So the sub with negative buoyancy, sinking because she has flooded tanks
with people aboard is still a vessel? YOu can see the noose getting
closer can't you?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:



A submarine is ON water. What the hell do you think supports it?
Does the water upon which it floats not count? It matters not
if there is water above the hull as well.

No dilemma that I can see . . .

S.Simon

Capetanios Oz wrote in message ...



Ahh but Cappy, you who refers to the Merian W at every opportunity,
has failed to notice that your definition states that a vessel is one
that is used or capable of transportation ON water.
You see the dilema?

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:31:39 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:




A submarine does not sink to the bottom. It has ballast
tanks to keep it at the depths in which it chooses to
operate. It carries air so the crew can breathe and live.

There is a big difference between a vessel traveling under
water and a device that goes to the bottom with somebody
standing on it until the person runs out of air and dies.

Sooooooo stupid with your dumb attempts to refuse to
accept the obvious.

S.Simon

Capetanios Oz wrote in message ...



Interesting, a submarine is not a vessel when submerged?

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:00:04 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:




But, the colregs don't define displacement as not floating at all.
The word displacement means non-planing as in a displacement
sailboat vs. a planing motor boat.

Any craft or device that sinks out from under a person
unless the person is being pulled along at a good clip and
dragging the device along with him is clearly not a vessel.

Here is the definition again.

(a) The word "vessel" includes every description of watercraft, including non-displacement craft and seaplanes, used or

capable



of



being used as a means of transportation on water.

Note the word 'watercraft'. Here is the defintion of watercraft.

wa.ter.craft \-'kraft\ n : a craft for water transport : ship, boat

© 1995 Zane Publishing, Inc. The Merriam-Webster Dictionary © 1994 by Merriam-Webster, Incorporated

A board or a ski that has no way to be powered and sinks when one
stands on it cannot transport anything anywhere. These are not
watercraft. These are devices used by a person being pulled along
rapidly to stay on the surface.

S.Simon


S.Simon

"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...



The colregs clearly say the vessel need not be diplacement. In that
sense, a ski is simply overloaded and sinks when not planing. They also
float without people on them!

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:




You are clearly wrong. A kite board sinks when the
operator stands on it. A water ski also sinks when
the operator stands on it. Clearly neither is a vessel.

A barge floats when cargo or people are on it. Even if
it has no power it can drift from place to place with
the winds and current. A barge clearly is a vessel.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

I did not say prolonged blasts did I? This leaves
short blast as there is no other type delineated
in the Rules.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...
Short blasts I hope.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

Five or more blasts on the horn in rapid succession is the danger/
doubt signal. Read the COLREGS.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

Blow the danger/doubt signal? What's that?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:


Oz is a jerk who won't ever answer because he likes to be
contrary.

I'll give you my answer.

I would hold course and speed. Then . . .

I would blow the danger/doubt signal on the horn and
prepare myself to take evasive action to avoid a collision
in case the kite boarder did not get out of the way.

Technically I am not the stand-on vessel because the
kite boarder has no status under the COLREGS but
the COLREGS to place a high priority on avoiding
collisions so I would take action to avoid a collision
if necessary.

S.Simon


"Donal" wrote in message ...


Capetanios Oz wrote in message
news

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:18:43 -0000, "Donal"
wrote:



Capetanios Oz wrote in message
news:fqp7rv0ijfia3qvds797gnfk547d1rue0k@4ax. com...


On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:21:35 -0000, "Donal"
wrote:



Hey, I went to bed!

However, I *do* know the answer.

Now.


Well done!

So what tack is a sailboat on when head to wind?

Dear me!

I asked a simple question about "stand on status" and you have tried to use
it to demonstrate that I know nothing about the Coll Regs. Pathetic!!


Why were you unable to answer my simple question?

Let's face it, Oz. I don't pretend to be an expert on all matters related
to sailing.

So, what does it matter if there is something that I don't know??

OTOH, you present yourself as an expert. Unfortunately, you seem unable to
back up your arrogant attitude with any substance.

Now, you can prove me wrong by answering the original question.

What would *you* do if you were at the helm of a yacht, on starboard tack,
if you were on a collision course with a (port tack) kite surfer?


Regards


Donal
--

So a vessel that may be negatively buoyant without speed to provide
hydrodynamic lift is still is a vessel and must obey Colregs? (can ya
feel the hemp yet capt'n?)

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

I agree provided the submerging sub is not going down
for the count. If it's under control and has the ability
to re-surface it remains a vessel and must comply with
all applicable rules.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

Someone should tell that to the NAVY! Of course I disagree, a submerging
sub is not exept from Colregs and to suggest otherwise is quite wrong.
perhaps a submariner here would like to comment?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:


As it is sinking it can no longer comply with the Rules.
That is obvious. It has become a wreck. Wrecks need
not comply with the Rules.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...


So as it's sinking it does not need to obey Colregs? (Pulling the noose
ever so gently)

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:



If it is sinking it is, indeed, no longer a vessel. A sunken vessel is
a wreck. Funny but that is an awfully loose noose. Maybe you
need to work on your hangman's knot.

S.Simon



"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...



So the sub with negative buoyancy, sinking because she has flooded tanks
with people aboard is still a vessel? YOu can see the noose getting
closer can't you?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:




A submarine is ON water. What the hell do you think supports it?
Does the water upon which it floats not count? It matters not
if there is water above the hull as well.

No dilemma that I can see . . .

S.Simon

Capetanios Oz wrote in message ...




Ahh but Cappy, you who refers to the Merian W at every opportunity,
has failed to notice that your definition states that a vessel is one
that is used or capable of transportation ON water.
You see the dilema?

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:31:39 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:





A submarine does not sink to the bottom. It has ballast
tanks to keep it at the depths in which it chooses to
operate. It carries air so the crew can breathe and live.

There is a big difference between a vessel traveling under
water and a device that goes to the bottom with somebody
standing on it until the person runs out of air and dies.

Sooooooo stupid with your dumb attempts to refuse to
accept the obvious.

S.Simon

Capetanios Oz wrote in message ...




Interesting, a submarine is not a vessel when submerged?

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:00:04 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:





But, the colregs don't define displacement as not floating at all.
The word displacement means non-planing as in a displacement
sailboat vs. a planing motor boat.

Any craft or device that sinks out from under a person
unless the person is being pulled along at a good clip and
dragging the device along with him is clearly not a vessel.

Here is the definition again.

(a) The word "vessel" includes every description of watercraft, including non-displacement craft and seaplanes, used or

capable




of




being used as a means of transportation on water.

Note the word 'watercraft'. Here is the defintion of watercraft.

wa.ter.craft \-'kraft\ n : a craft for water transport : ship, boat

© 1995 Zane Publishing, Inc. The Merriam-Webster Dictionary © 1994 by Merriam-Webster, Incorporated

A board or a ski that has no way to be powered and sinks when one
stands on it cannot transport anything anywhere. These are not
watercraft. These are devices used by a person being pulled along
rapidly to stay on the surface.

S.Simon


S.Simon

"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...




The colregs clearly say the vessel need not be diplacement. In that
sense, a ski is simply overloaded and sinks when not planing. They also
float without people on them!

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:





You are clearly wrong. A kite board sinks when the
operator stands on it. A water ski also sinks when
the operator stands on it. Clearly neither is a vessel.

A barge floats when cargo or people are on it. Even if
it has no power it can drift from place to place with
the winds and current. A barge clearly is a vessel.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

I was just clarifying the length of the blast which you did not give.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

I did not say prolonged blasts did I? This leaves
short blast as there is no other type delineated
in the Rules.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

Short blasts I hope.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:


Five or more blasts on the horn in rapid succession is the danger/
doubt signal. Read the COLREGS.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...


Blow the danger/doubt signal? What's that?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:



Oz is a jerk who won't ever answer because he likes to be
contrary.

I'll give you my answer.

I would hold course and speed. Then . . .

I would blow the danger/doubt signal on the horn and
prepare myself to take evasive action to avoid a collision
in case the kite boarder did not get out of the way.

Technically I am not the stand-on vessel because the
kite boarder has no status under the COLREGS but
the COLREGS to place a high priority on avoiding
collisions so I would take action to avoid a collision
if necessary.

S.Simon


"Donal" wrote in message ...



Capetanios Oz wrote in message
newse48rvkd2v8r9hnf9qofr2kim976qhm19g@4ax. com...



On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:18:43 -0000, "Donal"
wrote:




Capetanios Oz wrote in message
news:fqp7rv0ijfia3qvds797gnfk547d1rue0k@4a x.com...



On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:21:35 -0000, "Donal"
wrote:




Hey, I went to bed!

However, I *do* know the answer.

Now.


Well done!

So what tack is a sailboat on when head to wind?

Dear me!

I asked a simple question about "stand on status" and you have tried to use
it to demonstrate that I know nothing about the Coll Regs. Pathetic!!


Why were you unable to answer my simple question?

Let's face it, Oz. I don't pretend to be an expert on all matters related
to sailing.

So, what does it matter if there is something that I don't know??

OTOH, you present yourself as an expert. Unfortunately, you seem unable to
back up your arrogant attitude with any substance.

Now, you can prove me wrong by answering the original question.

What would *you* do if you were at the helm of a yacht, on starboard tack,
if you were on a collision course with a (port tack) kite surfer?


Regards


Donal
--

If the cable is attached to the ferry and the ferry
does not sink when a man stands on it then it's a vessel.

If the ferry sinks while a man stands on deck pulling
on the cable attached only to a structure ashore
then it is not a vessel.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...
What about a ferry that is pulled by shore power?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

It is germane because without an outside source of power
the board or ski sinks, goes nowhere and is not a vessel.

The only thing that makes a ski or board resemble a vessel
is when it is being dragged along with the aid of a person
standing upon it who is being pulled along rapidly by
an outside source of power but a ski or a board is no more
a vessel than is a man being pulled along body surfing on
his stomach.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

The sail is attached via the sailor. But that is not the point at the
moment. The attachment of a sail is not germain as to whether it is a
vessel and that is all that matters.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:


That a sailboard sinks when becalmed is not germane to
the fact that it is still a vessel. It is a vessel because it
has a sail attached that moves it along on the water when
the wind comes up. A kite board has no such sail attached.
In the same manner a water ski has no such propulsion of
any kind attached. Neither is a vessel. The only way either
of them stay on the water is when being dragged along by
an outside force that is not even applied directly to them.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...


So the fact that it sinks when becalmed is irrelevant?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:



Yes, because the sails are attached directly to the board.
Even small (sinker) boards are sailboats because the sail
is attached to them and can power them fast enough to
stay on the surface and go from place to place.

A windsurfer is a small sailboat.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...



Is a windsurfer a vessel?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:




You are clearly wrong. A kite board sinks when the
operator stands on it. A water ski also sinks when
the operator stands on it. Clearly neither is a vessel.

A barge floats when cargo or people are on it. Even if
it has no power it can drift from place to place with
the winds and current. A barge clearly is a vessel.

So the question of attachment of motive power is not an issue either?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

If the cable is attached to the ferry and the ferry
does not sink when a man stands on it then it's a vessel.

Actually the rule specifies "short and rapid blasts"

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
I did not say prolonged blasts did I? This leaves
short blast as there is no other type delineated
in the Rules.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
Short blasts I hope.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

Five or more blasts on the horn in rapid succession is the danger/
doubt signal. Read the COLREGS.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...

Blow the danger/doubt signal? What's that?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:


Oz is a jerk who won't ever answer because he likes to be
contrary.

I'll give you my answer.

I would hold course and speed. Then . . .

I would blow the danger/doubt signal on the horn and
prepare myself to take evasive action to avoid a collision
in case the kite boarder did not get out of the way.

Technically I am not the stand-on vessel because the
kite boarder has no status under the COLREGS but
the COLREGS to place a high priority on avoiding
collisions so I would take action to avoid a collision
if necessary.

S.Simon


"Donal" wrote in message
...


Capetanios Oz wrote in message
news

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:18:43 -0000, "Donal"
wrote:



Capetanios Oz wrote in message
news:fqp7rv0ijfia3qvds797gnfk547d1rue0k@4ax. com...


On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:21:35 -0000, "Donal"
wrote:



Hey, I went to bed!

However, I *do* know the answer.

Now.


Well done!

So what tack is a sailboat on when head to wind?

Dear me!

I asked a simple question about "stand on status" and you have tried to use
it to demonstrate that I know nothing about the Coll Regs. Pathetic!!


Why were you unable to answer my simple question?

Let's face it, Oz. I don't pretend to be an expert on all matters related
to sailing.

So, what does it matter if there is something that I don't know??

OTOH, you present yourself as an expert. Unfortunately, you seem unable to
back up your arrogant attitude with any substance.

Now, you can prove me wrong by answering the original question.

What would *you* do if you were at the helm of a yacht, on starboard tack,
if you were on a collision course with a (port tack) kite surfer?


Regards


Donal
--

Yes, because as you said yourself it is a vessel. Once a vessel
always a vessel until it is a wreck.

The difference is a kite board and a water ski is not a vessel
to begin with. The only hemp I feel is the odor of what you're
obviously smoking.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...
So a vessel that may be negatively buoyant without speed to provide
hydrodynamic lift is still is a vessel and must obey Colregs? (can ya
feel the hemp yet capt'n?)

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

I agree provided the submerging sub is not going down
for the count. If it's under control and has the ability
to re-surface it remains a vessel and must comply with
all applicable rules.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

Someone should tell that to the NAVY! Of course I disagree, a submerging
sub is not exept from Colregs and to suggest otherwise is quite wrong.
perhaps a submariner here would like to comment?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:


As it is sinking it can no longer comply with the Rules.
That is obvious. It has become a wreck. Wrecks need
not comply with the Rules.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...


So as it's sinking it does not need to obey Colregs? (Pulling the noose
ever so gently)

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:



If it is sinking it is, indeed, no longer a vessel. A sunken vessel is
a wreck. Funny but that is an awfully loose noose. Maybe you
need to work on your hangman's knot.

S.Simon



"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...



So the sub with negative buoyancy, sinking because she has flooded tanks
with people aboard is still a vessel? YOu can see the noose getting
closer can't you?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:




A submarine is ON water. What the hell do you think supports it?
Does the water upon which it floats not count? It matters not
if there is water above the hull as well.

No dilemma that I can see . . .

S.Simon

Capetanios Oz wrote in message ...




Ahh but Cappy, you who refers to the Merian W at every opportunity,
has failed to notice that your definition states that a vessel is one
that is used or capable of transportation ON water.
You see the dilema?

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:31:39 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:





A submarine does not sink to the bottom. It has ballast
tanks to keep it at the depths in which it chooses to
operate. It carries air so the crew can breathe and live.

There is a big difference between a vessel traveling under
water and a device that goes to the bottom with somebody
standing on it until the person runs out of air and dies.

Sooooooo stupid with your dumb attempts to refuse to
accept the obvious.

S.Simon

Capetanios Oz wrote in message ...




Interesting, a submarine is not a vessel when submerged?

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:00:04 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:





But, the colregs don't define displacement as not floating at all.
The word displacement means non-planing as in a displacement
sailboat vs. a planing motor boat.

Any craft or device that sinks out from under a person
unless the person is being pulled along at a good clip and
dragging the device along with him is clearly not a vessel.

Here is the definition again.

(a) The word "vessel" includes every description of watercraft, including non-displacement craft and seaplanes, used or

capable




of




being used as a means of transportation on water.

Note the word 'watercraft'. Here is the defintion of watercraft.

wa.ter.craft \-'kraft\ n : a craft for water transport : ship, boat

© 1995 Zane Publishing, Inc. The Merriam-Webster Dictionary © 1994 by Merriam-Webster, Incorporated

A board or a ski that has no way to be powered and sinks when one
stands on it cannot transport anything anywhere. These are not
watercraft. These are devices used by a person being pulled along
rapidly to stay on the surface.

S.Simon


S.Simon

"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...




The colregs clearly say the vessel need not be diplacement. In that
sense, a ski is simply overloaded and sinks when not planing. They also
float without people on them!

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:





You are clearly wrong. A kite board sinks when the
operator stands on it. A water ski also sinks when
the operator stands on it. Clearly neither is a vessel.

A barge floats when cargo or people are on it. Even if
it has no power it can drift from place to place with
the winds and current. A barge clearly is a vessel.


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Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.