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Schoonertrash

November 10th 03 04:20 PM

Which Radar?

I like the JRC 1000 or 1500 with one exception. If you try to run the feed
line inside the mast it requires drilling a larger than normal hole and
thereby degrades mast integrity. This means the best way to mount is either
running the line down a lower shroud or using the aft pole mount system.
The higher the better is the ruile but it depends where you are going with
the boat. For coastal cruising, harbor entrance work etc. the pole mount
will work fine. For offshore you definitely want all the altitude you can
get. For the actual mount the swinging kind is best but spendy.

MST

Capt. Mooron

November 10th 03 07:43 PM

Which Radar?

I concur with that Trash... but at current prices you can do a lot better
than the JRC. I haven't been impressed with their product. It works fine but
is a low end unit to be sure. Clarity, definition and tuning all are less
than satisfactory as far as I'm concerned.

For Harbour sailing and easy coastal... it's suitable... and better than
nothing. I would advise looking into the better known brands.

CM

"Schoonertrash" wrote in message
...
| I like the JRC 1000 or 1500 with one exception. If you try to run the
feed
| line inside the mast it requires drilling a larger than normal hole and
| thereby degrades mast integrity. This means the best way to mount is
either
| running the line down a lower shroud or using the aft pole mount system.
| The higher the better is the ruile but it depends where you are going with
| the boat. For coastal cruising, harbor entrance work etc. the pole mount
| will work fine. For offshore you definitely want all the altitude you can
| get. For the actual mount the swinging kind is best but spendy.
|
| MST
|
|

Bobsprit

November 10th 03 08:52 PM

Which Radar?

I though JRC was a well known brand. I see that logo on a lot of radomes. I
realize that the JRC 1000 is an entry level unit. I just need something basic
for occasional use in fog, and at night, so I don't get run over by a ferry or
tanker. I sail mostly in the Long Island Sound.

I have an older Raytheon unit on a backstay questus mount. The JRC should work
fine for the LIS, where I also sail. For a bit more you'd probably be happier
with the Faruno 1622. I've also read quite a few reviews from people claiming
that the JRC 1500 is quite good for an entry level unit.

Good luck

RB
C&C 32
City Island, NY

Capt. Mooron

November 10th 03 09:05 PM

Which Radar?

wrote in message

| I though JRC was a well known brand. I see that logo on a lot of radomes.
I
| realize that the JRC 1000 is an entry level unit. I just need something
basic
| for occasional use in fog, and at night, so I don't get run over by a
ferry or
| tanker. I sail mostly in the Long Island Sound.

The JRC will suit your intended usage. The reason you see so many JRCs is
because they are cheap. They are also newcomers on the radar scene by
comparison to other brands. Furuno for instance has been around a lot
longer. You'll see them on the better equiped boats. If you are comfortable
sailing around New York with the K-Mart of radars where everyone is judged
by their toys.... it will do you fine.

CM

Schoonertrash

November 10th 03 09:21 PM

Which Radar?

I can't argue with the foregoing posts. Back when I got the first one, the
JRC1000 it was the only one under a thousand...by one dollar. Worked OK in
Pacific NW fog etc. The second one the 1500 was better as the radome was
18" vs 12". With my current budget I would opt for a good 18" array Furano
in all probability if buying new. Since I already have the 1500 plus
another one that came with the new boat I'll probably keep it. My use is
two fold. One, as mentioned, night and fog situations for entering harbors
or going in narrow channel sort of places. The other is to provide as much
warning as possible for targets especially in frieghter heavy areas. I
don't give a fig about what those who live for varnish think of what
equipment I use. Caring what bar bunnies and wannabes thought is what got
me in trouble in the first place. And I do intend to once more go further
than the local sound or down the coast a few hundred miles. Of course if
you are into all show and no go . . . ..get a Sperry with a six foot array.

Cheers

MST

Bobsprit

November 10th 03 09:47 PM

Which Radar?

They are also newcomers on the radar scene by
comparison to other brands.

I don't believe JRC is a newcomer. They were building pro radars for quite a
while, and also have some nicer higher end units.
Calling it the K-Mart of radars is a bit extreme. It's fine for lite use, which
is what most of us face.

RB

The_navigator©

November 10th 03 10:03 PM

Which Radar?

You need an intermittant scan function...

Cheers MC

wrote:
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:05:16 -0400, "Capt. Mooron" wrote:

wrote in message

| I though JRC was a well known brand. I see that logo on a lot of radomes.
I
| realize that the JRC 1000 is an entry level unit. I just need something
basic
| for occasional use in fog, and at night, so I don't get run over by a
ferry or
| tanker. I sail mostly in the Long Island Sound.

The JRC will suit your intended usage. The reason you see so many JRCs is
because they are cheap. They are also newcomers on the radar scene by
comparison to other brands. Furuno for instance has been around a lot
longer. You'll see them on the better equiped boats. If you are comfortable
sailing around New York with the K-Mart of radars where everyone is judged
by their toys.... it will do you fine.

I don't sail around New York very much, and I am not looking to be judged on
toys. I have a practical need for a basic radar unit that will help me when
there is fog, and at night. It's not really a toy. Are JRC radars really so bad?
They have a full line, and not all of them are exactly low cost units. Furuno
also seems to have a range of units starting about as cheap as JRC. Overall, I
don't see JRC as being especially cheap compared to Furuno or others.

When I read the literature from the manufacturers, they all seem to be geared
for how well they work for fast boats, which says to me, that maybe there is a
radar unit that is especially geared to slow (sail) boats, that trades speed for
lower power consumption.

Forgetting price, for a moment, can you tell me about comparative quality, and
why one entry level unit might be better than another brand? Is an entry level
Furuno better than an entry level JRC? I can read brochures and magazines myself
- I am looking for people who own or have used various models. Someone who has
owned more than one radar would be especially helpful.

Thanks!
Joey

Capt. Mooron

November 10th 03 11:32 PM

Which Radar?

wrote in message

| I don't sail around New York very much, and I am not looking to be judged
on
| toys. I have a practical need for a basic radar unit that will help me
when
| there is fog, and at night. It's not really a toy. Are JRC radars really
so bad?
| They have a full line, and not all of them are exactly low cost units.
Furuno
| also seems to have a range of units starting about as cheap as JRC.
Overall, I
| don't see JRC as being especially cheap compared to Furuno or others.

No!... Well Yes... by comparison. You have to understand I'm spoiled by a
CRT screen and a fair sized Radome. I'm basing opinion against what I'm
accustomed to. I've used the JRC on a friend's 24.5 Bayliner Classic. It's a
fast boat [cruise at 27kts] I even recommended it to him due to the small
footprint of the radome and his intended use... much like yours. I just
wasn't impressed with the clarity or tuning it afforded. Hidden bays,
shallow exposed rocks, and small targets were more difficult to acquire.
Range to target acquisition was much shorter for the JRC than the Furuno.
It's a small radome and that's all there is to it. I've also used a Raytheon
with the flat screen. In my opinion.... It far surpasses the ability of the
JRC. So here it is... of all the radars I've used.... [excess of 6 or 7
different makes/models] The JRC was the worst.

|
| When I read the literature from the manufacturers, they all seem to be
geared
| for how well they work for fast boats, which says to me, that maybe there
is a
| radar unit that is especially geared to slow (sail) boats, that trades
speed for
| lower power consumption.

I can't comment on this other than to say I am not aware of a radar unit
specifically designed for either power or sail.

|
| Forgetting price, for a moment, can you tell me about comparative quality,
and
| why one entry level unit might be better than another brand? Is an entry
level
| Furuno better than an entry level JRC? I can read brochures and magazines
myself
| - I am looking for people who own or have used various models. Someone who
has
| owned more than one radar would be especially helpful.

Look.... here's some good advise my Dad gave me long ago.... " Buy quality
Son! you'll never regret it!".

|
| Thanks!

You're Welcome... Ya Fin Keeler!

CM

Capt. Mooron

November 10th 03 11:34 PM

Which Radar?

So he can pick up the cliffs or the shoreline???? Bwahahahahahahahaaaa

CM

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
| You need an intermittant scan function...
|
| Cheers MC
|
| wrote:
| On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:05:16 -0400, "Capt. Mooron"
wrote:
|
|
| wrote in message
|
| | I though JRC was a well known brand. I see that logo on a lot of
radomes.
| I
| | realize that the JRC 1000 is an entry level unit. I just need
something
| basic
| | for occasional use in fog, and at night, so I don't get run over by a
| ferry or
| | tanker. I sail mostly in the Long Island Sound.
|
| The JRC will suit your intended usage. The reason you see so many JRCs
is
| because they are cheap. They are also newcomers on the radar scene by
| comparison to other brands. Furuno for instance has been around a lot
| longer. You'll see them on the better equiped boats. If you are
comfortable
| sailing around New York with the K-Mart of radars where everyone is
judged
| by their toys.... it will do you fine.
|
|
| I don't sail around New York very much, and I am not looking to be
judged on
| toys. I have a practical need for a basic radar unit that will help me
when
| there is fog, and at night. It's not really a toy. Are JRC radars really
so bad?
| They have a full line, and not all of them are exactly low cost units.
Furuno
| also seems to have a range of units starting about as cheap as JRC.
Overall, I
| don't see JRC as being especially cheap compared to Furuno or others.
|
| When I read the literature from the manufacturers, they all seem to be
geared
| for how well they work for fast boats, which says to me, that maybe
there is a
| radar unit that is especially geared to slow (sail) boats, that trades
speed for
| lower power consumption.
|
| Forgetting price, for a moment, can you tell me about comparative
quality, and
| why one entry level unit might be better than another brand? Is an entry
level
| Furuno better than an entry level JRC? I can read brochures and
magazines myself
| - I am looking for people who own or have used various models. Someone
who has
| owned more than one radar would be especially helpful.
|
| Thanks!
| Joey
|

Capt. Mooron

November 10th 03 11:36 PM

Which Radar?

wrote in message

| The idea of setting the radar to sleep for 5 minutes at a time or
| so, and then do a sweep with an alarm, seems like a very sailboat friendly
| feature.

Have that on my Furuno and a guard zone alarm that will wake you from a
coma! It picked up a low flying Float Plane once in the fog... talk about
panic when you see the speed of approach!

CM

Donal

November 11th 03 12:48 AM

Which Radar?

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:05:16 -0400, "Capt. Mooron"
wrote:

Forgetting price, for a moment, can you tell me about comparative quality,
and
why one entry level unit might be better than another brand? Is an entry
level
Furuno better than an entry level JRC? I can read brochures and magazines
myself
- I am looking for people who own or have used various models. Someone who
has
owned more than one radar would be especially helpful.

I have a Furuno, which I bought a couple of years ago. IMHO, there is
nothing wrong with the JRC radars. I have a very strong suspicion that some
of the other posters are comparing the cheapest JRC with slightly more
up-market models from other manufacturers.

I believe that JRC have been making professional radars for a long time.
They have been making small radars for the leisure market for many years,
but they have not been sold under their own name.

From the description of your intended use, I cannot see anything wrong with
the JRC.

There are three main features that you need to look at in a radar.
1. Resolution. This the ability of the radar to "see" small objects. The
bigger the antenna, the smaller the beamwith, and the better the
resolution. (Nothing to do with "Screen resolution".)

2. Display quality. (Self explanatory - I think)

3. Power consumption. Actually, these days you have little control over
this. It will be a function of the two preceeding points.
The "scan every 5 minutes" function is probably useful. However, in
practise, I leave the unit in stand-by, and do a manual scan every so
often.

Other things to (maybe) consider a-
Ability to display NMEA data, if your instruments are NMEA compatible.
GPS chart plotter.

Once you get your radar, you need to play with it in good visibility to get
to know it.

Regards

Donal
--

The_navigator©

November 11th 03 01:35 AM

Which Radar?

Now there you go agin. I thought you understood that you can't pick up a
shore line with radar... Your brain has gone to mush!

Cheers MC

Capt. Mooron wrote:

So he can pick up the cliffs or the shoreline???? Bwahahahahahahahaaaa

CM

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
| You need an intermittant scan function...
|
| Cheers MC
|
| wrote:
| On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:05:16 -0400, "Capt. Mooron"
wrote:
|
|
| wrote in message
|
| | I though JRC was a well known brand. I see that logo on a lot of
radomes.
| I
| | realize that the JRC 1000 is an entry level unit. I just need
something
| basic
| | for occasional use in fog, and at night, so I don't get run over by a
| ferry or
| | tanker. I sail mostly in the Long Island Sound.
|
| The JRC will suit your intended usage. The reason you see so many JRCs
is
| because they are cheap. They are also newcomers on the radar scene by
| comparison to other brands. Furuno for instance has been around a lot
| longer. You'll see them on the better equiped boats. If you are
comfortable
| sailing around New York with the K-Mart of radars where everyone is
judged
| by their toys.... it will do you fine.
|
|
| I don't sail around New York very much, and I am not looking to be
judged on
| toys. I have a practical need for a basic radar unit that will help me
when
| there is fog, and at night. It's not really a toy. Are JRC radars really
so bad?
| They have a full line, and not all of them are exactly low cost units.
Furuno
| also seems to have a range of units starting about as cheap as JRC.
Overall, I
| don't see JRC as being especially cheap compared to Furuno or others.
|
| When I read the literature from the manufacturers, they all seem to be
geared
| for how well they work for fast boats, which says to me, that maybe
there is a
| radar unit that is especially geared to slow (sail) boats, that trades
speed for
| lower power consumption.
|
| Forgetting price, for a moment, can you tell me about comparative
quality, and
| why one entry level unit might be better than another brand? Is an entry
level
| Furuno better than an entry level JRC? I can read brochures and
magazines myself
| - I am looking for people who own or have used various models. Someone
who has
| owned more than one radar would be especially helpful.
|
| Thanks!
| Joey
|

The_navigator©

November 11th 03 01:35 AM

Which Radar?

You must have though Ella had come to visit you!

Bwhahhahahahahahahah

Cheers MC

Capt. Mooron wrote:

wrote in message

| The idea of setting the radar to sleep for 5 minutes at a time or
| so, and then do a sweep with an alarm, seems like a very sailboat friendly
| feature.

Have that on my Furuno and a guard zone alarm that will wake you from a
coma! It picked up a low flying Float Plane once in the fog... talk about
panic when you see the speed of approach!

CM

The Carrolls

November 11th 03 01:37 AM

Which Radar?

They were the manufacturer for Raytheon. Raytheon had a problem with
them(Don't know what) and went elsewhere. They continued manufacturing under
their own name. So they have been in the radar market for a while, just
under a different name.
"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
They are also newcomers on the radar scene by
comparison to other brands.

I don't believe JRC is a newcomer. They were building pro radars for quite
a
while, and also have some nicer higher end units.
Calling it the K-Mart of radars is a bit extreme. It's fine for lite use,
which
is what most of us face.

RB

Schoonertrash

November 11th 03 04:00 AM

Which Radar?

Which Furano?

MST

Jeff Morris

November 11th 03 12:19 PM

Which Radar?

I don't think they made all the Ray units, but they did make the first small LCD radar for Ray. The
screen display wasn't very good. The new Raymarine stuff is much better.

FWIW. I had a Raytheon 10XX on my last boat, and a SL 70 on the new one; I've been happy with both.
A nice Ray feature is that it plugs into Seatalk and displays a loot of info on the screen.

-jeff

"The Carrolls" wrote in message
...
They were the manufacturer for Raytheon. Raytheon had a problem with
them(Don't know what) and went elsewhere. They continued manufacturing under
their own name. So they have been in the radar market for a while, just
under a different name.
"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
They are also newcomers on the radar scene by
comparison to other brands.

I don't believe JRC is a newcomer. They were building pro radars for quite
a
while, and also have some nicer higher end units.
Calling it the K-Mart of radars is a bit extreme. It's fine for lite use,
which
is what most of us face.

RB

Bobsprit

November 11th 03 12:36 PM

Which Radar?

Let's Keep Sight on what's key here!

Mooron claimed JRC was "new" to the market and was wrong.
And for the 35463rd time, I was right.

Thank you! Spin it, baby!

RB

Capt. Mooron

November 11th 03 04:37 PM

Which Radar?

Wrong again.... JRC hasn't to my knowledge provided a consumer grade radar
unit for pleasure craft until 1998.

Can you prove otherwise? I didn't think so Bob!

You stand corrected as usual.

CM
Who has actually used radar since 1970.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| Let's Keep Sight on what's key here!
|
| Mooron claimed JRC was "new" to the market and was wrong.
| And for the 35463rd time, I was right.
|
| Thank you! Spin it, baby!
|
| RB

Capt. Mooron

November 11th 03 04:38 PM

Which Radar?

That would have been a stationary hazard to navigation just outside a harbor
on a nice breezy day with it's prop fouled... once again!

CM

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
| You must have though Ella had come to visit you!
|
| Bwhahhahahahahahahah
|
| Cheers MC
|
| Capt. Mooron wrote:
|
| wrote in message
|
| | The idea of setting the radar to sleep for 5 minutes at a time or
| | so, and then do a sweep with an alarm, seems like a very sailboat
friendly
| | feature.
|
| Have that on my Furuno and a guard zone alarm that will wake you from a
| coma! It picked up a low flying Float Plane once in the fog... talk
about
| panic when you see the speed of approach!
|
| CM
|
|
|

Capt. Mooron

November 11th 03 05:00 PM

Which Radar?

Jeff Morris

November 11th 03 05:01 PM

Which Radar?

Sorry CM, JRC built more than I thought, including my old 10XX

http://www.jrcamerica.com/PHP/raytheon.php

--
-jeff

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
Wrong again.... JRC hasn't to my knowledge provided a consumer grade radar
unit for pleasure craft until 1998.

Can you prove otherwise? I didn't think so Bob!

You stand corrected as usual.

CM
Who has actually used radar since 1970.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| Let's Keep Sight on what's key here!
|
| Mooron claimed JRC was "new" to the market and was wrong.
| And for the 35463rd time, I was right.
|
| Thank you! Spin it, baby!
|
| RB

Bobsprit

November 11th 03 05:06 PM

Which Radar?

Wrong again.... JRC hasn't to my knowledge provided a consumer grade radar
unit for pleasure craft until 1998.

That's not what you said. You stated that they were new to the market, which is
100% wrong.
Now you wish to amend it by saying "consumer grade!"

Bwahahaha! Your silly!

RB

Bobsprit

November 11th 03 05:06 PM

Which Radar?

Sorry CM, JRC built more than I thought, including my old 10XX

http://www.jrcamerica.com/PHP/raytheon.php

Mooron...just shhhhh!

RB

Capt. Mooron

November 11th 03 05:30 PM

Which Radar?

Capt. Mooron

November 11th 03 05:31 PM

Which Radar?

Not a chance you pudgy little cabin boy....

CM

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| Sorry CM, JRC built more than I thought, including my old 10XX
|
| http://www.jrcamerica.com/PHP/raytheon.php
|
| Mooron...just shhhhh!
|
| RB

Capt. Mooron

November 11th 03 05:32 PM

Which Radar?

They are "new" to the "Market".... no unit labeled JRC was "marketed" prior
to 1998.

CM

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| Wrong again.... JRC hasn't to my knowledge provided a consumer grade
radar
| unit for pleasure craft until 1998.
|
| That's not what you said. You stated that they were new to the market,
which is
| 100% wrong.
| Now you wish to amend it by saying "consumer grade!"
|
| Bwahahaha! Your silly!
|
| RB

Bobsprit

November 11th 03 06:00 PM

Which Radar?

They are "new" to the "Market".... no unit labeled JRC was "marketed" prior
to 1998.

You should have written, "Thier labels are new to the market."
JRC is not new to the radar market. You were wrong.
Keep trying!

RB

Bobsprit

November 11th 03 06:01 PM

Which Radar?

I'm saying they didn't market a consumer brand name until 1998.

Which is not what you originally Said.
Nope.

RB

The_navigator©

November 11th 03 09:22 PM

Which Radar?

You silly boy. Why look at our video of us sailing faster that you've
ever dreamed? As far as I know, Ella has never been stranded outside a
harbour.

Cheers MC

Capt. Mooron wrote:

That would have been a stationary hazard to navigation just outside a harbor
on a nice breezy day with it's prop fouled... once again!

CM

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
| You must have though Ella had come to visit you!
|
| Bwhahhahahahahahahah
|
| Cheers MC
|
| Capt. Mooron wrote:
|
| wrote in message
|
| | The idea of setting the radar to sleep for 5 minutes at a time or
| | so, and then do a sweep with an alarm, seems like a very sailboat
friendly
| | feature.
|
| Have that on my Furuno and a guard zone alarm that will wake you from a
| coma! It picked up a low flying Float Plane once in the fog... talk
about
| panic when you see the speed of approach!
|
| CM
|
|
|

Capt. Mooron

November 11th 03 09:27 PM

Which Radar?

Capt. Mooron

November 11th 03 09:43 PM

Which Radar?

Wah-h-h-h!!..... friggin never read such blubbering and whining as
Bobsprit on a dead end nit pick!

"Bobsprit" wrote in message

| You should have written, "Thier labels are new to the market."

No!.. No I shouldn't!... You should have grabbed a clue!

CM

Simple Simon

November 11th 03 09:55 PM

Which Radar?

Expecting Bobsprit to have a clue is like expecting
Hillary Clinton to have a sexy ass . . .

Bobsprit has probably just had a coronary. I've been
beating him up so badly that he can't even draw a decent
breath in his rage. It's another trip to the hospital with
chest pains most likely.

S.Simon

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ...
Wah-h-h-h!!..... friggin never read such blubbering and whining as
Bobsprit on a dead end nit pick!

"Bobsprit" wrote in message

| You should have written, "Thier labels are new to the market."

No!.. No I shouldn't!... You should have grabbed a clue!

CM

Simple Simon

November 11th 03 09:55 PM

Which Radar?

Capt. Mooron

November 11th 03 09:56 PM

Which Radar?

The_navigator©

November 11th 03 10:05 PM

Which Radar?

Capt. Mooron

November 11th 03 10:36 PM

Which Radar?

The_navigator©

November 12th 03 12:09 AM

Which Radar?

Capt. Mooron

November 12th 03 10:25 AM

Which Radar?

Bobsprit

November 12th 03 05:13 PM

Which Radar?

I've been
beating him up so badly that he can't even draw

Yep....you've been using the "Your face into my fist" technique!

Bwahahahahaha!

RB

The_navigator©

November 12th 03 08:29 PM

Which Radar?

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