Following the website lead Rick provided I found I can tie up reasonably
close to a school, upgrade to 200 ton and Oceans with a minimum of fuss.
One choice of course is in Seattle with a prep course and an on site USCG
test. The other I found is in Florida where everything is done at the
school. Full boat deal including radar, towing and advanced firefighting,
perhaps also GMDSS requires no more than a month. I'm sure there are more.
You were right that my current time counts. The weekend work I'm doing now
and did up in Virginia works in there. The only question is if the new
license will be 200 Ton Master or 100 Ton Master and 200 Ton Mate. Either
way with the full 'Oceans' designation I will move from the many to the few
who are legally able to deliver boats over 150 miles offshore. With the
more expensive yachts that's a major plus and solves a big insurance problem
for them. Above that level, especially 1600 tons and above the STCW
requirements hit you full force. That's more like 8 plus weeks but for 1600
and above it's not just worth it, it's mandatory. Two more things. It
appears the coasties MAY be phasing out 200 and keeping 500 ton licenses.
Second, a lot of what you get on a license depends on which REC you use.
Appy at Long Beach and its pretty much a screw job. The best I've found so
far are Boston and Portland, OR especially the latter. They all recommend
applying in this manner: Review and award all endorsements and levels for
my documentation and license for which I have qualified. If you want
something very specific, for example, AB Sail listed along with AB Limited
you can still ask for it. What are licenses good for? Well, in the
Chesapeake doing pick up work here and there I made double my tuition and
school costs back. Here's two funjobs. Catalina Island company driving the
glass bottom boat for the tourist trade or Laughlin NV driving the taxi boat
across the river from AZ. Jobs are where you find them and what you make of
them. I suspect bringing boats back from places like Mexico, Hawaii, or
even the Bahamas for those that didn't make it past a one way attempt is
another source. The major reason I found for going through the training was
it smoothed out the dips and bumps in my abilities. But having gained the
knowledge . . .the next step is to use the knowledge. Since the US doesn't
have anything approaching the Competency Certifications as do, say the
British, getting a 100 ton license is the best thing available.

Cheers and fair winds

MST

39 posts and I wanna disagree with both sides !

My understanding is :

Neal does NOT need a sail endorsement for his (6 passenger) charters
on Mustard

Sail Endorsements are Required when operating INSPECTED Sailing
vessels.

doesn't matter if its sail aux or pure sail,

Operators of uninspected (sailing) vessels are not required to have
the sail/aux endorsement.

Exactly right. But the pretender trio of otn, Shen44, Jeff and
Rick (he doesn't really count, thus trio) won't listen to reason
nor will they admit their error. They're so smug and self-
satisfied with their big tickets they think their feces don't
stink.

I tried to tell them that no matter the license I have,
whether master or OUPV. I can carry paying passengers
legally. I lead them all off on a nice big wild goose
chase just to make them even bigger fools when I
slammed them with the facts of the matter.

But, nooooooo. Would they listen? Would they
see reason? Would they show a little common sense
and intelligence? Don't hold your breath. They
refuse to believe a mere 25GT Master is their
master when it comes to small boat sailing. I do
it. I sail. I know how the laws apply to me. They
presume to think they know everything about
something they never do. All they do is drive
big motor vessels. They are not even in the same
league as me.

S.Simon



"Roy G. Biv" wrote in message m...
39 posts and I wanna disagree with both sides !

My understanding is :

Neal does NOT need a sail endorsement for his (6 passenger) charters
on Mustard

Sail Endorsements are Required when operating INSPECTED Sailing
vessels.

doesn't matter if its sail aux or pure sail,

Operators of uninspected (sailing) vessels are not required to have
the sail/aux endorsement.

Actually, I believe I said you couldn't be a "master" of a sailboat, which is true. My
main argument was against your use of the ColRegs to prove an issue of licensing.


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Exactly right. But the pretender trio of otn, Shen44, Jeff and
Rick (he doesn't really count, thus trio) won't listen to reason
nor will they admit their error. They're so smug and self-
satisfied with their big tickets they think their feces don't
stink.

I tried to tell them that no matter the license I have,
whether master or OUPV. I can carry paying passengers
legally. I lead them all off on a nice big wild goose
chase just to make them even bigger fools when I
slammed them with the facts of the matter.

But, nooooooo. Would they listen? Would they
see reason? Would they show a little common sense
and intelligence? Don't hold your breath. They
refuse to believe a mere 25GT Master is their
master when it comes to small boat sailing. I do
it. I sail. I know how the laws apply to me. They
presume to think they know everything about
something they never do. All they do is drive
big motor vessels. They are not even in the same
league as me.

S.Simon



"Roy G. Biv" wrote in message
m...
39 posts and I wanna disagree with both sides !

My understanding is :

Neal does NOT need a sail endorsement for his (6 passenger) charters
on Mustard

Sail Endorsements are Required when operating INSPECTED Sailing
vessels.

doesn't matter if its sail aux or pure sail,

Operators of uninspected (sailing) vessels are not required to have
the sail/aux endorsement.

Exactly as I said. Now the real facts are these. This poster claims to be
named Neal or Neal Warren. There is a Neal Warren that holds a 25 Ton Power
Boat License. We have not information that the two are the same. As far as
passengers are concerned the answer is simple as simon can be . . .if you
could somehow fit six passengers on a Coronado . . . . .where would you find
six passengers silly enough to pay for going on a Coronado? Are there truly
as many as six bobspits in the world? Ergo Sum . .. .

"Simple Simon" wrote" snip

actually what you wrote was:

So, for all practical purposes any sailor whether he uses
his motor or knot really does not need a sailing endorsement.
The USCG realizes this and that is why they place primary
emphasis on their licenses stating Master of Steam or Motor
Vessels while they toss in a sailing endorsement mostly to
fill a loophole that of pure sailing vessels.

its not a loophole for pure sailing vessels, its required when
operating inspected vessels with either sails or sail/aux

Simple Simon wrote:

They are not even in the same league as me.

Whew, you finally got something right!

And you still can't load up your broken boat with paying fools and sail
off to the Bahamas or Cuba ... you don't have the certification to do
that and I doubt if you ever will or even could.

You are not a master of squat, you are just another internet wannabe ...

CORLEGS define licenses indeed. Bwahahahahahahahahahahahah

Rick

ubject: What a USCG Master's license is good for?
From: (Roy G. Biv)
Date: 11/06/2003 16:03 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

39 posts and I wanna disagree with both sides !

My understanding is :

Neal does NOT need a sail endorsement for his (6 passenger) charters
on Mustard

Sail Endorsements are Required when operating INSPECTED Sailing
vessels.

doesn't matter if its sail aux or pure sail,

Operators of uninspected (sailing) vessels are not required to have
the sail/aux endorsement.



EG We knew that, but were having such fun watching Neal squirm, regarding his
25 ton license, where it did apply, and where he was basing all his claims to
fame.

Shen

Yes, right! We believe you. Sad that you resort to
lies instead of apologies.

S.Simon


"Shen44" wrote in message ...
ubject: What a USCG Master's license is good for?
From: (Roy G. Biv)
Date: 11/06/2003 16:03 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

39 posts and I wanna disagree with both sides !

My understanding is :

Neal does NOT need a sail endorsement for his (6 passenger) charters
on Mustard

Sail Endorsements are Required when operating INSPECTED Sailing
vessels.

doesn't matter if its sail aux or pure sail,

Operators of uninspected (sailing) vessels are not required to have
the sail/aux endorsement.



EG We knew that, but were having such fun watching Neal squirm, regarding his
25 ton license, where it did apply, and where he was basing all his claims to
fame.

Shen

Subject: What a USCG Master's license is good for?
From: "Simple Simon"
Date: 11/06/2003 17:03 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Yes, right! We believe you. Sad that you resort to
lies instead of apologies.

S.Simon


ROFL Who's the we? Hey Neal, you're the admitted "troll".
We all know that trolls throw out lies as truths, to see what they can snag.
Apoligize? For what? For finally getting you to admit you've been
trolling/lying?
Hell, for all we know, you used the name of someone with a real license, as
proof you have one.
Your knowledge of the COLREGS, alone puts your ownership of any license in
question.

Bubye, Neal, EG it's been fun.

Shen