"Schoonertrash" wrote in message ...
Huh? Sounds a bit like using the "I was listening to Limbaugh" excuse
when stopped for speeding. Good story til you try to use it for real. Yes,
you will get away with it. Until you get stopped. The mere act of having
sails raised is prima facie evidence that the vessel was sailing.

What about my Motor Sailing vessel? What if the sail are not pushing?




Plenty of
probable cause to open an investigation.First thing that will happen is the
USCG OIC will ask you for your license. Then they keep it pending outcome
of their investigation.

SOP

You won't need it anymore. They have no sense of
humour with smartasses and sea lawyer wannabes that think they are stupid.


True



In the area of not making a living with a sixpack license. For sure if you
are limited to no endorsements and near coastal and think you will rely on
the sailing trade.




100 ton licenses are practical WITH a towing
endorsement,

100 tons are pratical without any endorsements. I ran a many 100 ton
crew boats without any other endorsements. And I knew many many others
doing the same. We all knew how to run on pure radar at high speeds
yet felt no desire or need to get a radar endorsement. Compaines did
not pay you any more for endorsements unless you where delivering
vessels via deep water routes.




with a radar endorsement and with any other endorsement you can
tag on. and only on powered commercial vessels. Beyond that it takes
STCW-95 qualifications for anything in excess of 150 miles offshore.

We call it a any oceans endorsement



What it is good for is measuring some ability (book learning not practical)
and indicates you MAY be able to actually perform. But unlike a British
license it doesn't mean you have any practical ability beyond taking written
tests.

Yes that is so true! It's a licence to learn.




Combine it with an AB Card and a test of practical ability is
included. Yes, AB's take the exact same ColRegs test as so the 100
tonners.

Big deal, question in the CFR is mostly open book.




On our bridge team last trip we had seven AB's including the
Bo's'n. One 1600 ton Captain/unlimited tonnage Mate license, One 500 ton
license, Four 100 ton licenses and one guy who just made AB. Three were
heading to 3rd Mate Unlimited Tonnage school, One was waiting for an opening
for a 3rd Mate job and now has it.


Sounds like the offshore industry is booming again, make hay while the
sun shines!


Without the sail endorsement you are not allowed to operate with paying
passengers or charge to deliver a sailing vessel. Besides you don't need a
license to take people out for a sail. Without the towing endorsement you
are not allowed to accept payment for towing but you can still tow. However
if you are doing either one for free or fun AND have a licenseyou are still
liable and held to a higher standard as if you were getting paid. It's a
two edged sword.

But then when the only reason to have one is a wall decoration does it
matter?


Dumb question coming from someone that is making a living at sea. You
should value and show respect for knowledge.

Most do not have a clue, and could care less.




Cheers and fair winds

Same to you Mike. Sounds like your getting some serious deep water
time, aint nothing like it is there?

Joe
MSV RedCloud


MST

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But then when the only reason to have one is a wall decoration does it
matter?


Dumb question coming from someone that is making a living at sea. You
should value and show respect for knowledge.

G In Neal's case, not really a dumb question.
To the best of our knowledge, he has never legally used the license, which is
one that was designed to get a foot in the door, for someone with minimal
experience.
If you have a license and make no use of it, it is just a piece of wallpaper.
Admittedly, in many cases, just looking at the license will give a good
indication of what type of experience, someone has had, and for that you should
show some respect for time spent, at least.

Shen

The real question on renewal is the minimum days per year of required usage
of the original license. Besides having the owner of the boat (himself)
sign off on a small boat form how's he going to get by that requirement?

I know I have to bust my rear to find boats to go out on every available
opportunity and will still have to do a lot sailing towards the end. For
someone who doesn't go anywhere it must be turri-bull hard! At the present
rate I'm only averaging about 30 days per year. Most of the time I'm out at
sea and can't be on another vessel. Although some of my big ship time does,
I'm told, count here and there. I think the requirement for renewal is 45
days per year or 225 days total out of five years. Not close yet but I'm
almost thinking it would be easier to do the 200 ton upgrade and start the
clock ticking all over again.

Just wondering . . . .

MST

I'm not sure what your license is, but I should think that ALL of your
ship time should count.
To the best of my knowledge, once you have the license, where renewals
are concerned, for ease of renewal you need to show active time at sea
..... this does not necessarily mean time "in grade". The only thing you
need that for is to upgrade to a higher tonnage.
For instance, with my Master license, if I needed to show time, on the
license, I'd be in trouble, as I don't really use that part anymore, I
use the Pilot part.
As always, check with the OMI which holds your paperwork.

Schoonertrash wrote:
The real question on renewal is the minimum days per year of required usage
of the original license. Besides having the owner of the boat (himself)
sign off on a small boat form how's he going to get by that requirement?

I know I have to bust my rear to find boats to go out on every available
opportunity and will still have to do a lot sailing towards the end. For
someone who doesn't go anywhere it must be turri-bull hard! At the present
rate I'm only averaging about 30 days per year. Most of the time I'm out at
sea and can't be on another vessel. Although some of my big ship time does,
I'm told, count here and there. I think the requirement for renewal is 45
days per year or 225 days total out of five years. Not close yet but I'm
almost thinking it would be easier to do the 200 ton upgrade and start the
clock ticking all over again.

Just wondering . . . .

MST

Schoonertrash wrote:

Although some of my big ship time does, I'm told, count here and there.

Check with the REC. I believe you and I use the same one and they
allowed some "observer" time documented on board a boxboat for my 100
ton ticket.

Rick

I'm beginning to get the sense that you guys are saying that if you
don't use your license for a minimum number of days during the 5 year
term, you could lose it ..... is this correct?

Rick wrote:
Schoonertrash wrote:

Although some of my big ship time does, I'm told, count here and there.


Check with the REC. I believe you and I use the same one and they
allowed some "observer" time documented on board a boxboat for my 100
ton ticket.

Rick

That's pretty much it. But it's not a case of so much each year but rather
so much times the number of years of the life of the license. Mine started
June 1st of 2001 and I've got just shy of 60 days time on it. Suppose due
to work considerations I only get 30 a year average on it through June 2004
or 120 days. 45 times five if I have it right is 225 and the last two years
I'd have to do 105 or 55.5 per year. However once I finish the rebuild I'm
only working four on four off give or take to no more than age 62. Then,
hopefully, social security kicks in and I'm done working for good except for
using the license. The license is up in 2006, I turn 62 a year later.
Should be no problem. And if I get the 200 ton upgrade even less of a
problem. That with the STCW added on should make it a very useful document.
Leastways that's the plan. Now it's just a matter of making up for lost
time . . .and (tongue in cheek) hoping my retirement doesn't disappear.

MST

Sorry, but I disagree. Once you get that license, there is no way they
can take it from you, unless you can't pass the physical or you have an
incident that causes you to lose that license through revocation.
Now, having said this, they can make you jump through some extra hoops
at renewal time (Rules exam, etc.) but, that license is yours, as long
as you go through one of the hoops when renewing.
Pay close attention to (I believe) option 3 .... marine related experience.
The only thing current time does for you is make life easier during
renewal (no exams - and all exams are open book or at home, when you
don't have current time).
Make sure you include all your "discharges" next time you renew .....
but, and most importantly, if someone is telling you, you can lose your
license by not having actual time on the particular license, tell them
BS!!!!

otn

PS ... G I'm sorry to say, that applies to Neal, also.


Schoonertrash wrote:
That's pretty much it. But it's not a case of so much each year but rather
so much times the number of years of the life of the license. Mine started
June 1st of 2001 and I've got just shy of 60 days time on it. Suppose due
to work considerations I only get 30 a year average on it through June 2004
or 120 days. 45 times five if I have it right is 225 and the last two years
I'd have to do 105 or 55.5 per year. However once I finish the rebuild I'm
only working four on four off give or take to no more than age 62. Then,
hopefully, social security kicks in and I'm done working for good except for
using the license. The license is up in 2006, I turn 62 a year later.
Should be no problem. And if I get the 200 ton upgrade even less of a
problem. That with the STCW added on should make it a very useful document.
Leastways that's the plan. Now it's just a matter of making up for lost
time . . .and (tongue in cheek) hoping my retirement doesn't disappear.

MST

otnmbrd wrote:

I'm beginning to get the sense that you guys are saying that if you
don't use your license for a minimum number of days during the 5 year
term, you could lose it ..... is this correct?

Yeah, you can renew for continuity or submit sailing time for renewal.
There are several ways to renew and maintain the license though.

Look at:

http://www.mptusa.com/courses%5Clicense_renewal.htm

for an easy guide to what the regs are.

Nil could just paste his ticket on the wall since it is useless. Hell,
he should just paste it anyway, it's dangerous in his hands.

Rick

You're just jealous because I use as a part-time hobby
that which you use for a living. Your vaunted and valued
Master's license is that easy for anyone to get and this
makes you mad because it makes you realize you have
no real special skills. Why the proof is any old cruising
sailor is as qualified as you are to be licensed to legally
operate a motor vessel. Furthermore said qualification
time can be gained mostly under sail. It's time on the
water that counts - not time on the water under motor
power.

S'matter there Rick?
Galls your gonads just a wee bit?
Why else all the fuss?

Bwahahahahahhahaha!

S.Simon

"Rick" wrote in message ink.net...
otnmbrd wrote:

I'm beginning to get the sense that you guys are saying that if you
don't use your license for a minimum number of days during the 5 year
term, you could lose it ..... is this correct?

Yeah, you can renew for continuity or submit sailing time for renewal.
There are several ways to renew and maintain the license though.

Look at:

http://www.mptusa.com/courses%5Clicense_renewal.htm

for an easy guide to what the regs are.

Nil could just paste his ticket on the wall since it is useless. Hell,
he should just paste it anyway, it's dangerous in his hands.

Rick