It actually looks like it was bent sideways.. I don't
think it has anything to do with the cradle.

The Captains Nemesis wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:37:23 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote:

I just ran across a boat on the hard at a local yard and noticed
that the rudder doesn't quite line up with the keel.

Here's the pic

http://www.sailnow.com/gifs/rudder.jpg

Does someone know what caused this and how it can be
corrected?

The boat is about 30 years old at least.


Crappy photo.
Is the rudder offset or just appears bent sideways.
Seen a few boats that have sat badly in the cradle that have distorted
the hull so the rudder looks bent when it's the keel not plumb.
Also seen a few with the keel offset on the centreline...NOT Benny's.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
Who spends an hour tuning before every race not just when new sails go on
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Grounding, Tide, Impact, Storm damage..... that is irrelevant.

CM

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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| I wonder how it happened. Other than that, the boat looks to
| be in good shape. Do you think this is a result of a collision?
| In reverse??
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| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
| Bent rudder shaft would be my first guess. A simple fix.
|
| CM
|
| "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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| | I just ran across a boat on the hard at a local yard and noticed
| | that the rudder doesn't quite line up with the keel.
| |
| | Here's the pic
| |
| | http://www.sailnow.com/gifs/rudder.jpg
| |
| | Does someone know what caused this and how it can be
| | corrected?
| |
| | The boat is about 30 years old at least.
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:37:23 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

I just ran across a boat on the hard at a local yard and noticed
that the rudder doesn't quite line up with the keel.

Here's the pic

http://www.sailnow.com/gifs/rudder.jpg

Does someone know what caused this and how it can be
corrected?

Turn the wheel, until it lines up.



Hero@Horvath

I don't spend my money on food. I spend most of my money
on women, porn, booze, and recreation. The rest of it I just waste.

When I used to work for Irwin Yachts we actually
produced several boats where the rudder and the
keel did not quite line up. The reason for this was
the fitting of the keel which was often done quite
sloppily. The hulls had a keel boss upon which the
keel was bolted. The area between the keel and the
boss was often a bit rough from the mold and not
smoothed off properly as there was no way to grind
it at exactly straight. Then troweled atop the keel
was a mixture of resin, cabosil, etc to bed the keel
the boss as the keel studs were drawn up and
tightened. These studs were often not exactly straight
up from the keel molding process so holes drilled
in the keel boss to match them were often much larger
than they should have been in order to allow the
angled studs to pass through the boss. Then
the tightening process was often hit and miss where
idiotic mechanics would tighten bolts on one side of
the keel all the way and then the other side all the
way. There was little consideration for 'cross
tightening'. This process often squeezed out the
resin mixture more on one side than the other and
when the mixture hardened it effectively made
the bottom surface of the keel boss crooked. Thus
the keel was on there crooked to stay.

S.Simon




"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
I just ran across a boat on the hard at a local yard and noticed
that the rudder doesn't quite line up with the keel.

Here's the pic

http://www.sailnow.com/gifs/rudder.jpg

Does someone know what caused this and how it can be
corrected?

The boat is about 30 years old at least.

This process often squeezed out the
resin mixture more on one side than the other and
when the mixture hardened it effectively made
the bottom surface of the keel boss crooked. Thus
the keel was on there crooked to stay.

How did they sell those boats with crooked keels? Didn't people spot the error
or was it so slight?

RB

Jon,

It is hard to tell from the photo but it looks like the keel is a wing
keel, shoal draft and the rudder isn't. The rudder looks longer than the
keel. This would cause the rudder to take the full effect of any
grounding.

I'm inclined to believe this is the case and it has happened before and
as long as the rudder functions it will be accepted.

OT

How did they sell those boats with crooked keels? Didn't people spot the
error
or was it so slight?

Ask one of your J30 buddies.


S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

That's not a winged keel! Those are blocks under the keel! Since its sitting on 6x6
blocks, and there's "air" under the rudder, it doesn't look like the rudder is deeper than
the keel.

I suppose someone might chose to go a few seasons rather than fix a bent rudder post, but
I would think you'd have to fix it before selling - or simply take the price right off the
top - so why not fix it right away?


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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Jon,

It is hard to tell from the photo but it looks like the keel is a wing
keel, shoal draft and the rudder isn't. The rudder looks longer than the
keel. This would cause the rudder to take the full effect of any
grounding.

I'm inclined to believe this is the case and it has happened before and
as long as the rudder functions it will be accepted.

OT

They didn't have a jig?


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
When I used to work for Irwin Yachts we actually
produced several boats where the rudder and the
keel did not quite line up. The reason for this was
the fitting of the keel which was often done quite
sloppily. The hulls had a keel boss upon which the
keel was bolted. The area between the keel and the
boss was often a bit rough from the mold and not
smoothed off properly as there was no way to grind
it at exactly straight. Then troweled atop the keel
was a mixture of resin, cabosil, etc to bed the keel
the boss as the keel studs were drawn up and
tightened. These studs were often not exactly straight
up from the keel molding process so holes drilled
in the keel boss to match them were often much larger
than they should have been in order to allow the
angled studs to pass through the boss. Then
the tightening process was often hit and miss where
idiotic mechanics would tighten bolts on one side of
the keel all the way and then the other side all the
way. There was little consideration for 'cross
tightening'. This process often squeezed out the
resin mixture more on one side than the other and
when the mixture hardened it effectively made
the bottom surface of the keel boss crooked. Thus
the keel was on there crooked to stay.

S.Simon




"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
I just ran across a boat on the hard at a local yard and noticed
that the rudder doesn't quite line up with the keel.

Here's the pic

http://www.sailnow.com/gifs/rudder.jpg

Does someone know what caused this and how it can be
corrected?

The boat is about 30 years old at least.

It's sitting on blocks on the keel... just the angle of the pic.

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Jon,

It is hard to tell from the photo but it looks like the keel is a wing
keel, shoal draft and the rudder isn't. The rudder looks longer than the
keel. This would cause the rudder to take the full effect of any
grounding.

I'm inclined to believe this is the case and it has happened before and
as long as the rudder functions it will be accepted.

OT