Boat Quality....
 

From worst to best....honest and no punches pulled

Siedelmann 30...no doubt the worst boat in our midst. Zero market value.
Coronado 27...as horribly dated as it is cheap. Zero market value.
Beneteau F. Series....plagued by quality control issues, but a quick boat at
least.
Cal 20....Old but timeless little sailing boat.
Kirie Elite 32....A nice quality leap from the Beneteau
Express 30....dated racer with suspect fit and finish. Good quality boat
overall.
C&C 27...Lacks the charm of older models, but good quality day sailor.
C&C 32....Dated, but good quality from C&C when they were a top builder.
Island Packet 31....Terribly slow boat, but we're talking build quality...nice.
Gulf 29....Very well built effort from Capital, based on the 32 I sailed.
Jeff's boat...can't remember the name, but they are an excellent builder.
Nordic 30...Heavily constructed with a good turn of speed for a full keel

Capt RB

Boat Quality....
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message news:20031029071358.22546.00000354@mb-
Jeff's boat...can't remember the name, but they are an excellent builder.

Its a PDQ 36, from PDQ Yachts www.pdqyachts.com

Chosen as one of "The World's Best Sailboats, Volume 2" by Ferenc Mate (actually the
article focuses more on the 42)

The preceeding a paid announcement.

Boat Quality....
 

Its a PDQ 36, from PDQ Yachts www.pdqyachts.com


Ahhh, yes...Simply couldn't remember at the moment. A fine boat. I'd say even a
single hull is better than a whole Beneteau.
But then I don't want to start anything!

Capt RB

Boat Quality....
 

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:56:26 -0500, "Jeff Morris"
jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote:

"Bobsprit" wrote in message news:20031029071358.22546.00000354@mb-
Jeff's boat...can't remember the name, but they are an excellent builder.

Its a PDQ 36, from PDQ Yachts www.pdqyachts.com

Chosen as one of "The World's Best Sailboats, Volume 2" by Ferenc Mate (actually the
article focuses more on the 42)

The preceeding a paid announcement.

Wasn't Beneteau included in Volume I?:) I enjoy reading those books,
but I always wondered about that...I made the mistake of loaning my
copy to someone who promptly disappeared with it, so I am working from
memory.

Boat Quality....
 

Yes, Beneteau was listed in Vol 1, and J-boats in Vol 2. Curiously, C&C isn't in either.
The last time this came up it was claimed that Mate demanded a payoff from the company to
be included - I can neither confirm nor deny that possibility. Although Mate emphasizes
fit and finish, he also rewards innovation and advances in technology.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0920...36#reader-page

"felton" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:56:26 -0500, "Jeff Morris"
jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote:

"Bobsprit" wrote in message news:20031029071358.22546.00000354@mb-
Jeff's boat...can't remember the name, but they are an excellent builder.

Its a PDQ 36, from PDQ Yachts www.pdqyachts.com

Chosen as one of "The World's Best Sailboats, Volume 2" by Ferenc Mate (actually the
article focuses more on the 42)

The preceeding a paid announcement.

Wasn't Beneteau included in Volume I?:) I enjoy reading those books,
but I always wondered about that...I made the mistake of loaning my
copy to someone who promptly disappeared with it, so I am working from
memory.

Boat Quality....
 

Isn't that the book in which he will only list you
if you help sponsor the book?
--
----
Steve
S/V Pony Express

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote
in message
...
: "Bobsprit" wrote in message
news:20031029071358.22546.00000354@mb-
: Jeff's boat...can't remember the name, but
they are an excellent builder.
:
: Its a PDQ 36, from PDQ Yachts www.pdqyachts.com
:
: Chosen as one of "The World's Best Sailboats,
Volume 2" by Ferenc Mate (actually the
: article focuses more on the 42)
:
: The preceeding a paid announcement.
:
:

Boat Quality....
 

I didn't know PDQ made powerboats. They're goofier looking than the
sailboats.
;)

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
"Bobsprit" wrote in message
news:20031029071358.22546.00000354@mb-
Jeff's boat...can't remember the name, but they are an excellent
builder.

Its a PDQ 36, from PDQ Yachts www.pdqyachts.com

Chosen as one of "The World's Best Sailboats, Volume 2" by Ferenc Mate
(actually the
article focuses more on the 42)

The preceeding a paid announcement.

Boat Quality....
 

My Cal 20 is better than your Baltic dream.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
From worst to best....honest and no punches pulled

Siedelmann 30...no doubt the worst boat in our midst. Zero market value.
Coronado 27...as horribly dated as it is cheap. Zero market value.
Beneteau F. Series....plagued by quality control issues, but a quick boat
at
least.
Cal 20....Old but timeless little sailing boat.
Kirie Elite 32....A nice quality leap from the Beneteau
Express 30....dated racer with suspect fit and finish. Good quality boat
overall.
C&C 27...Lacks the charm of older models, but good quality day sailor.
C&C 32....Dated, but good quality from C&C when they were a top builder.
Island Packet 31....Terribly slow boat, but we're talking build
quality...nice.
Gulf 29....Very well built effort from Capital, based on the 32 I sailed.
Jeff's boat...can't remember the name, but they are an excellent builder.
Nordic 30...Heavily constructed with a good turn of speed for a full keel

Capt RB

Boat Quality....
 

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:23:38 -0500, "Jeff Morris"
jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote:

Yes, Beneteau was listed in Vol 1, and J-boats in Vol 2. Curiously, C&C isn't in either.
The last time this came up it was claimed that Mate demanded a payoff from the company to
be included - I can neither confirm nor deny that possibility. Although Mate emphasizes
fit and finish, he also rewards innovation and advances in technology.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0920...36#reader-page

I have heard the "payoff" story directly from a boatbuilder. The
number was $50,000 to be included in the book. Pretty nice work if
you can get it:) I don't know if this was in effect for Vol 1. It
would be hard to argue with any of the choices in Vol 1, although the
inclusion of Beneteau just seemed odd. If I am remembering correctly,
he seemed to be most impressed with their efficient production
methods, rather than the beauty of quality of the boats. Let's face
it, no matter how you compare them, a Beneteau isn't a Hinckley, Alden
or Shannon.

I like Mate's writing style and have several of his books, but the old
payola issue hurts his credibility, though probably makes his living
in Italy more enjoyable:)


"felton" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:56:26 -0500, "Jeff Morris"
jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote:

"Bobsprit" wrote in message news:20031029071358.22546.00000354@mb-
Jeff's boat...can't remember the name, but they are an excellent builder.

Its a PDQ 36, from PDQ Yachts www.pdqyachts.com

Chosen as one of "The World's Best Sailboats, Volume 2" by Ferenc Mate (actually the
article focuses more on the 42)

The preceeding a paid announcement.

Wasn't Beneteau included in Volume I?:) I enjoy reading those books,
but I always wondered about that...I made the mistake of loaning my
copy to someone who promptly disappeared with it, so I am working from
memory.

Boat Quality....
 

What's PDQ stand for?

Pretty Darned Queer. Primarily Designed for Queens,
Pretty Darned Questionable, Personally Designated for
Quacks, or Pathetic Dilatory Quid?

S.Simon



"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ...
I didn't know PDQ made powerboats. They're goofier looking than the
sailboats.
;)

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
"Bobsprit" wrote in message
news:20031029071358.22546.00000354@mb-
Jeff's boat...can't remember the name, but they are an excellent
builder.

Its a PDQ 36, from PDQ Yachts www.pdqyachts.com

Chosen as one of "The World's Best Sailboats, Volume 2" by Ferenc Mate
(actually the
article focuses more on the 42)

The preceeding a paid announcement.

Boat Quality....
 

Pretty nice work if
you can get it:) I don't know if this was in effect for Vol 1. It
would be hard to argue with any of the choices in Vol 1, although the
inclusion of Beneteau just seemed odd.

And for that matter, Freedom really didn't belong in there, though they make
fine boats.

RB

Boat Quality....
 

Goofy perhaps, but they'll do 18 knots at 4 gallons per hour, 12 knots at 2 gal/hour and
no trawler rolling. Lately they've been doing 3 powerboats for every sailboat. Their
niche is couples that want to do the "loop" - the ICW plus Erie, Mississippi, Tombigby,
etc.


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
I didn't know PDQ made powerboats. They're goofier looking than the
sailboats.
;)

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
"Bobsprit" wrote in message
news:20031029071358.22546.00000354@mb-
Jeff's boat...can't remember the name, but they are an excellent
builder.

Its a PDQ 36, from PDQ Yachts www.pdqyachts.com

Chosen as one of "The World's Best Sailboats, Volume 2" by Ferenc Mate
(actually the
article focuses more on the 42)

The preceeding a paid announcement.

Boat Quality....
 

No. It's the toilet bowl itself I think.

The Captains Nemesis wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:35:07 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

What's PDQ stand for?

Pretty Darned Queer. Primarily Designed for Queens,
Pretty Darned Questionable, Personally Designated for
Quacks, or Pathetic Dilatory Quid?

S.Simon


Cappy....Is a coronado the ring in the toilet bowl?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
Who spends an hour tuning before every race not just when new sails go on
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Boat Quality....
 

On 29 Oct 2003 19:04:15 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:

circling, circling, circling,....CHOMP! Why not ? I haven"t read the
book and don't know if Freedom belongs there or not but am curious as
to your reasoning.



And for that matter, Freedom really didn't belong in there, though they make
fine boats.

RB

Boat Quality....
 

Coronado is named for the insane Spanish explorer who went wandering through
the American wilderness looking for mythical cities of gold, which of course
he never found, and ended up killing most of the members of the expedition
in the process. Yellow is a very appropriate color for Neal's boat,
reminding one of the mythical gold that crazy Spaniard never found!
John Cairns
The Captains Nemesis wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:35:07 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

What's PDQ stand for?

Pretty Darned Queer. Primarily Designed for Queens,
Pretty Darned Questionable, Personally Designated for
Quacks, or Pathetic Dilatory Quid?

S.Simon


Cappy....Is a coronado the ring in the toilet bowl?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
Who spends an hour tuning before every race not just when new sails go on
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Boat Quality....
 

circling, circling, circling,....CHOMP! Why not ? I haven"t read the
book and don't know if Freedom belongs there or not but am curious as
to your reasoning.

Most of the boats in the book are VERY high end. Swan, Shannon, Hinkley and so
on. Nothing even close to a Freedom or Beneteau, which are not even really
semi-custom boats.
The Freedom is solid, but not in that league. Hardly an insult. Not even one of
those nice new Tartans belong in there.

RB

Boat Quality....
 

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:21:33 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

My Cal 20 is better than your Baltic dream.

You don't HAVE a Cal 20, dumbass.


Hero@Horvath

I don't spend my money on food. I spend most of my money
on women, porn, booze, and recreation. The rest of it I just waste.

Boat Quality....
 

You don't have a brain, dumbass. BUT YOU'VE GOT TITS!!!

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:21:33 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

My Cal 20 is better than your Baltic dream.

You don't HAVE a Cal 20, dumbass.


Hero@Horvath

I don't spend my money on food. I spend most of my money
on women, porn, booze, and recreation. The rest of it I just waste.

Boat Quality....
 

Bwhahahhahahahahha. The thin veil of credibility slips again.

Cheers MC

Bobsprit wrote:
Jeff's boat...can't remember the name, but they are an excellent builder.