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Well, Beneteau is the bottom of the heap these days. They have nice ads!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Wish I'd written that! Poor Donal! RB |
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Beneteau again? What do you base this on?
G "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Well, Beneteau is the bottom of the heap these days. They have nice ads! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Wish I'd written that! Poor Donal! RB |
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Beneteau again? What do you base this on?
There was some discussion in the C&C list and there was mention of Beneteau quality. See below. Following that a few people echoed the comments on Beneteau. We moved up to a C&C 37 XL this year. We previously had a 1988 Ericson 32 that we loved but got smaller as the family grew. We looked at many different boats and had a very difficult time finding a boat that could offer both speed for racing and luxury below for the family. Some of the newer boats had what we wanted but no way could we afford them. We even came close to buying the new 36.7 Farr designed Beneteau until I got a good look at the quality or lack there of. |
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Any Beneteau ever made is of higher quality, and more seaworthy than Bobby
Sue's boat. Since you also own a C&C, that must put our boats pretty low down! Why not pose the Beneteau vs. C&C discussion on the list? I bet you'll get some imformed answers. Many of the people there really know boats and won't be biased. Capt RB |
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Oh Yeah... sure Bob.... there won't be any bias about other brands of boats
on the C&C list! Get a grip on reality will you! Sheesh! CM "Bobsprit" wrote in message | Since you also own a C&C, that must put our boats pretty low down! | Why not pose the Beneteau vs. C&C discussion on the list? I bet you'll get some | imformed answers. Many of the people there really know boats and won't be | biased. | | Capt RB |
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Oh Yeah... sure Bob.... there won't be any bias about other brands of boats
on the C&C list! The C&C list is not rabid about thier boats, nor am I. But I'm glad to hear that Billy thinks a Beneteau is better than his C&C. That's shows what he knows about boats. Very little indeed. RB |
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Hahahahahhahahahahahhahahaha.
I can see it now: Honest C&C owner: "I bought C&C 'cos it's cheap, looks cheap and sails poorly. In fact, compared to qaulity boats it's crap!" Cheers MC Bobsprit wrote: Why not pose the Beneteau vs. C&C discussion on the list? I bet you'll get some imformed answers. Many of the people there really know boats and won't be biased. Capt RB |
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We even came
close to buying the new 36.7 Farr designed Beneteau until I got a good look at the quality or lack there of. Quite a few reviewers and sailing experts like the new FARR designed Beneteaus. I wonder what they are missing. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
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How about a new boat vs a 25 year old boat? or something like that?
"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Any Beneteau ever made is of higher quality, and more seaworthy than Bobby Sue's boat. Since you also own a C&C, that must put our boats pretty low down! Why not pose the Beneteau vs. C&C discussion on the list? I bet you'll get some imformed answers. Many of the people there really know boats and won't be biased. Capt RB |
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How about a new boat vs a 25 year old boat? or something like that?
No new Beneteau, Catalina or hunter is as well built as most Pearson's, C&Cs, Tartans or Cape Dory's. Ask any surveyor who knows sailboats. RB |
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"The Carrolls" wrote in message ... How about a new boat vs a 25 year old boat? or something like that? Now that's just plain cruel. I think that we should refrain from pointing out that Bob hops from one old stepping stone to another, slightly better, old stepping stone. Regards Donal -- |
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I think that we should refrain from pointing out that Bob hops from one old
stepping stone to another, slightly better, old stepping stone. You mean like my vastly superior 34XL built in 1993, launched in 94 with a suit new sails that cost 1/3 of your boats value??!!! Bwahahahahaha! RB |
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"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... I think that we should refrain from pointing out that Bob hops from one old stepping stone to another, slightly better, old stepping stone. You mean like my vastly superior 34XL built in 1993, launched in 94 with a suit new sails that cost 1/3 of your boats value??!!! So the sails are worth twice as much as the boat??? Regards Donal -- |
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What did that person see from his or her "good look" that the many
experienced reviewers who have (almost entirely: very Is this the same bevy of reviewers who love the latest Hunter boats? I've rarely read a bad boat review. Grow up. RB |
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I didn't mention a name, just an age. Old is old, New is new. Some people
prefer new to old and used. I just was wondering why I don't need to have a new boat surveyed for the bank but do have to have a used boat surveyed? "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... How about a new boat vs a 25 year old boat? or something like that? No new Beneteau, Catalina or hunter is as well built as most Pearson's, C&Cs, Tartans or Cape Dory's. Ask any surveyor who knows sailboats. RB |
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I don't need to have a
new boat surveyed for the bank but do have to have a used boat surveyed? A fellow bought a new Beneteau 39 at my yard. He had to have it surveyed for insurance. RB |
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"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... How about a new boat vs a 25 year old boat? or something like that? No new Beneteau, Catalina or hunter is as well built as most Pearson's, C&Cs, Tartans or Cape Dory's. Ask any surveyor who knows sailboats. Honestly, Bob, sometimes you are such an idiot. Regards Donal -- |
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No new Beneteau, Catalina or hunter is as well built as most Pearson's,
C&Cs, Tartans or Cape Dory's. Ask any surveyor who knows sailboats. Again, ask anyone who repairs or survey's boats how Beneteau stacks up. Maybe everyone lies to Donal, or just maybe he read the rave reviews in cruising world, but never spoke to surveyors. Few people do homework before buying a boat. If they did Beneteau would have to improve their game. RB RB |
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Maybe the Beneteau built in Europe are a tad better than the ones built in the SE USA.
Remember, Neal once worked for another SE builder, Irwin. Probably much the same workforce. "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... No new Beneteau, Catalina or hunter is as well built as most Pearson's, C&Cs, Tartans or Cape Dory's. Ask any surveyor who knows sailboats. Again, ask anyone who repairs or survey's boats how Beneteau stacks up. Maybe everyone lies to Donal, or just maybe he read the rave reviews in cruising world, but never spoke to surveyors. Few people do homework before buying a boat. If they did Beneteau would have to improve their game. RB RB |
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Is this the same bevy of reviewers who love the latest Hunter boats?
Don't think so. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
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Maybe the Beneteau built in Europe are a tad better than the ones built in the
SE USA. We can only hope. But Donal already admitted to using tape to make his floors fit. Sounds like the same old Beneteau. RB |
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Jeff Morris wrote: Maybe the Beneteau built in Europe are a tad better than the ones built in the SE USA. Remember, Neal once worked for another SE builder, Irwin. Probably much the same workforce. I think it's a matter of corporate policy, not geography. Some of the highest dollar/pound or $/ft boats on the planet are built here in NC. The custom shops that build those damnable souped-up sportsfishermen are backed up two years, prepaid. But I doubt any of them made Ferenc Mate's book (and I bet they don't care, either). Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Maybe the Beneteau built in Europe are a tad better than the ones built in the SE USA. We can only hope. But Donal already admitted to using tape to make his floors fit. Bob, could you post a link to where I said that I used tape? Regards Donal -- |
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We can only hope. But Donal already admitted to using tape to make his
floors fit. Bob, could you post a link to where I said that I used tape? Now add lying to Donal's list of credits. Have you forgotten your fix for the loose floorboards when I posted someone's comments on them? Typical. RB |
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Not this again.
-- ---- Steve S/V Pony Express "Donal" wrote in message ... : : "Bobsprit" wrote in message : ... : : We can only hope. But Donal already admitted to using tape to make his : floors : fit. : : Bob, could you post a link to where I said that I used tape? : : Regards : : : Donal : -- : : |
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"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... We can only hope. But Donal already admitted to using tape to make his floors fit. Bob, could you post a link to where I said that I used tape? Now add lying to Donal's list of credits. Have you forgotten your fix for the loose floorboards when I posted someone's comments on them? No, I haven't forgotton what I wrote. You have! Post a link, or retract your lie! Regards Donal -- |
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loose floorboards when I posted someone's comments on them?
No, I haven't forgotton what I wrote. You have! Is it not true that you had to impliment a fix for rattling/loose floor boards? YES or NO. This is your second chance to come clean. Capt RB |
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Donal,
You're absolutely correct about a 25 yr old boat is NO comparison to a new boat. Poor Nutsy will always remain a LOSSER if he continues to compare " Derelict" to anyone with a new boat. I hope some day he will feel the joy of ownership of a factory fresh, brand new vessel. Even the most uninformed purchaser knows a new car is of greater value than a used model of the same manufacturer. The market value is the perfect visual example of value. When you consider present function of a sailing vessel; NEW is better than OLD. The only time an Old boat, car, house, etc is worth more is of a collectors item. Not as a functional, usable thing AND; "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!" Ole Thom |
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When you consider present function of a sailing vessel; NEW is better
than OLD. Probably the worst advice ever offered here and 100% wrong. New boats are for suckers, though I'm glad some people buy them. RB |
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"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... loose floorboards when I posted someone's comments on them? No, I haven't forgotton what I wrote. You have! Is it not true that you had to impliment a fix for rattling/loose floor boards? YES or NO. NO. Regards Donal - who has a *much* better boat than Bob! -- |
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"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... When you consider present function of a sailing vessel; NEW is better than OLD. Probably the worst advice ever offered here and 100% wrong. New boats are for suckers, though I'm glad some people buy them. You just haven't found the right boat yet. If you ever do (which I doubt), you will understand why everybody else seems to enjoy their boats more than you. Have you read Scotty's report? I envy him. Can you imagine writing a trip report that would make anybody envious? Regards Donal -- |
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Is it not true that you had to impliment a fix for rattling/loose floor
boards? YES or NO. NO. SHame on you. This is why builders get away with crap like your boat. RB |
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You just haven't found the right boat yet
I hope I never do! That would be pretty dull. I'm only 41, I have no intention on settling for any single design. If I did, it would not be with one of the cheapest production boats around. What am I saying? Beneteau IS the cheapest. And it shows. RB |
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Have you read Scotty's report? I envy him.
Bwahahahahahaha! You envy that a-hole? Oh, okay! RB |
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he will purchase a new Beneteau exactly
because they are comparatively so well built, outside and inside. Snore. Again, ask more than one surveyor. Ask yards who do repairs. Ask around. These boats have a bad rep for a reason, not because someone hates the French! After 7 years of boat shows, every Beneteau I boarded had build quality errors. They were as follows: Loose floors Gel coat cracks Doors that wouldn't close or open Sharp edges in cabinets and other fittings Saw dust beneath furniture installations And so on. I'd like to say that 7 years of seeing these boats was just bad luck, but there are enough of them at my club to prove otherwise. The Oceanis seem to be the worst of the lot. A fellow on the Pearson list had a First (33?) and called it a groaner because the whole boat groaned and creeked when sailed hard. A 39 at my club (new!) has had so many problems that the owner now plans to sell. Beneteau quality concerns have been echoed in nearly every sailnet group, more so than any other boat besides Hunter. Beneteau is well packaged junk. It's designed to fool and does a great job. Dona's been suckered plane and simple. Call it a troll, or just mean...but it's the truth. Not much he can do about it since I own a nice C&C, a builder known for very good quality. Contact the resident surveyors at BoatMax and Consolidated Shipyards for info on major work needed on Beneteau yachts FRESH out of the factory! RB |
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"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Have you read Scotty's report? I envy him. Bwahahahahahaha! You envy that a-hole? Oh, okay! Careful, Bobby. You are supposed to be winning, remember? The whole point of this discussion is to entertain the group with your hilarious claims that your 30 year old neglected, slow, cheap, slow, "Derelict" is better than my nice, fast,shiny,fast new boat. Regards Donal -- |
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You envy that a-hole? Oh, okay!
Careful, Bobby. You are supposed to be winning, remember? Won. It's been over a long time, baby! RB |
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