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DSK wrote:

Donal wrote:

... No president has screwed up foreign policy as much as Bush.

No, wait. Nixon came pretty close....

JFK has them both beat hands down. He blew the Bay of Pigs, blew the
resulting missile crisis, screwed up Ike's plan in Nam then started the
Nam war to avoid loosing another country to communism, then ... need I
go on? And who can forget his famous al lib "I am a jelly pastry!!"?

But then, to many people, facts are irrelevant.

Yes, and that's why JFK remains popular.

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Vito wrote:


JFK has them both beat hands down. He blew the Bay of Pigs,

Agreed, sort of, but then it was a pooch-screwing op from the start.
Committing US forces would have turned it into an even bigger mistake. Gee,
maybe that's what happens when Presidents listen to ill-informed
advisors.....

blew the
resulting missile crisis,

Pardon me? How did JFK 'blow' the Cuban missile crises?

Was there a nuclear war from escalating the exchange? Not that I recall...

Did the Russians pull their missiles out of Cuba? Yes, as much as can be
verified then & now.

screwed up Ike's plan in Nam then started the
Nam war to avoid loosing another country to communism,

Huh. Did Ike have a 'plan' in Viet Nam, other than to not let the Dulles
brothers nuke the place? You're right that Kennedy began committing forces
there, not a good idea in retrospect.

then ... need I
go on?

No, you need to go back.


And who can forget his famous al lib "I am a jelly pastry!!"?

Yep. But was that enough to justify shooting him?



But then, to many people, facts are irrelevant.

Yes, and that's why JFK remains popular.

I suggest the opposite.

The other day, somebody shoved a farcical hatchet piece on JFK at me. It
basically said that the whole PT-109 incident was fictional and was a
deliberate attempt by the Navy to boost JFK's future political career.

Some people will believe anything, as long as it caters to their ignorance
& prejudices.

DSK

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"two wheels" wrote in message
The "profiteering" nonsense is just politics, and most
people understand that. Halliburton is the only (American) company with
the experience to do the jobs in Iraq, while being shot at. It costs a
little more when they're shooting at you, for some reason. The job
applications from engineers are a little harder to come by.

Wow, .... you really are stupid, aren't you?

In fact, I admire the degree of stupidity that you are willing to display in
a public forum.


Regards


Donal
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Not important??? Not important because of the potential billions
of $$ at stake. Not important because of the appearance of a
conflict of interest. Not important, except if it's a blow job in
the White House. That's damn important. I mean who really
gives a **** about a couple of billion dollars. Clearly, a lot of
right wing freaks give a heck of a lot about a blow job... probably
because they can't get any at home.

"two wheels" wrote in message
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On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 10:30:06 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote:

He has no idea?????? He's the bleeping VP of the United States
and he HAS NO IDEA?

It's not important stuff. It's maintenance and remodeling. What's the
big deal? Why would a VP have to get involved in that? Bigger
job--bigger numbers on the check--that's all.

two wheels



"two wheels" wrote in message
.. .
MR. RUSSERT: Why is there no bidding?

VICE PRES. CHENEY: I have no idea. Go ask the Corps of Engineers.
One of the things to keep in mind is that Halliburton is a unique
kind of company. There are very few companies out there that have
the
combination of the very large engineering construction capability
and significant oil field services, the first- or second-largest oil
field service company in the world, and they've traditionally done a
lot of work for the U.S. government and the U.S. military. That
expertise has stood the military in good stead over the years, but
it's a great
company. There are fine people working for it.
I also have a lot of confidence in the people in the
Department of Defense. Nobody has produced one single shred of
evidence that
there's anything wrong or inappropriate here, nothing but innuendo,
and-basically they're political cheap shots is the way I would
describe it. I don't know any of the details of the contract because
I
deliberately stayed away from any information on that, but
Halliburton is a fine company. And as I say-and I have no reason to
believe that anybody's done anything wrong or inappropriate here.

- --------------------

I think I'd take Cheney's word on it over the Bush-haters. He
doesn't have any financial connection to Halliburton anymore, and
he's already made plenty of money as the CEO. He took a big pay cut
to go back into government. The "profiteering" nonsense is just
politics, and most people understand that. Halliburton is the only
(American) company with the experience to do the jobs in Iraq, while
being shot at. It costs a little more when they're shooting at you,
for some reason. The job applications from engineers are a little
harder to come by.


two wheels


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I'll give him the missile crisis. He didn't blink even if he
screwed it up to begin with.

"Vito" wrote in message
...
DSK wrote:

Donal wrote:

... No president has screwed up foreign policy as much as Bush.

No, wait. Nixon came pretty close....

JFK has them both beat hands down. He blew the Bay of Pigs, blew the
resulting missile crisis, screwed up Ike's plan in Nam then started the
Nam war to avoid loosing another country to communism, then ... need I
go on? And who can forget his famous al lib "I am a jelly pastry!!"?

But then, to many people, facts are irrelevant.

Yes, and that's why JFK remains popular.

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Well said.

Cheers MC

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Not important??? Not important because of the potential billions
of $$ at stake. Not important because of the appearance of a
conflict of interest. Not important, except if it's a blow job in
the White House. That's damn important. I mean who really
gives a **** about a couple of billion dollars. Clearly, a lot of
right wing freaks give a heck of a lot about a blow job... probably
because they can't get any at home.

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On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 11:06:58 -0500, DSK wrote
this crap:

Donal wrote:

Are you stark raving mad?? No president has screwed up foreign policy as
much as Bush.

No, wait. Nixon came pretty close. Only U.S. President to lose a major war.

Which war did we lose?

He
also inspired more fear & loathing abroad than GWB, but it's a close call. Also,
Nixon actively took steps to send the economy down the tubes whereas GWB has
merely failed to stir up any kind of economic recovery (other than funneling
billions into his buddies pockets).

You haven't seen the stock market recently.


Hero@Horvath

I don't spend my money on food. I spend most of my money
on women, porn, booze, and recreation. The rest of it I just waste.

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Thanks.

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
Well said.

Cheers MC

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Not important??? Not important because of the potential billions
of $$ at stake. Not important because of the appearance of a
conflict of interest. Not important, except if it's a blow job in
the White House. That's damn important. I mean who really
gives a **** about a couple of billion dollars. Clearly, a lot of
right wing freaks give a heck of a lot about a blow job... probably
because they can't get any at home.

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Horass, I know you're pretty stupid, but even the mentally
retarded have come to understand that we lost the Vietnam
war.

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
No, wait. Nixon came pretty close. Only U.S. President to lose a major
war.

Which war did we lose?

He
also inspired more fear & loathing abroad than GWB, but it's a close
call. Also,
Nixon actively took steps to send the economy down the tubes whereas GWB
has
merely failed to stir up any kind of economic recovery (other than
funneling
billions into his buddies pockets).

The stock market does not the economy make.

You haven't seen the stock market recently.


Hero@Horvath

I don't spend my money on food. I spend most of my money
on women, porn, booze, and recreation. The rest of it I just waste.

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On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 22:24:16 -0800, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

Horass, I know you're pretty stupid, but even the mentally
retarded have come to understand that we lost the Vietnam
war.

Really? I don't recall their invasion? Did it happen in California?
I didn't see it on the news. If they beat us, why is there no sign of
it?


Hero@Horvath

I don't spend my money on food. I spend most of my money
on women, porn, booze, and recreation. The rest of it I just waste.