Lifelines
 

Bobsprit wrote:
Fitting 18 bolts
with a squirt of sealer on each one is the easiest way to deal with
it at present.

Stand by for the next installment of "Wally's This Ruined Old Boat."

Hey, it's a 'project'.


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

Lifelines
 

Stand by for the next installment of "Wally's This Ruined Old Boat."

Hey, it's a 'project'.

Don't get sensitive! It's all in jest. But don't underestimate important
stuff...like spreaders and keel bolts...and lights!

RB

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Bobsprit wrote:

Stand by for the next installment of "Wally's This Ruined Old Boat."

Hey, it's a 'project'.

Don't get sensitive!

I'm not.

It's all in jest.

I know. When I said 'project', I should have said 'keel-up restoration
project'. When I bought it, it wasn't completely tatty and worn - some bits
were missing. :-)


But don't underestimate
important stuff...like spreaders and keel bolts...and lights!

Two out of three ain't bad...


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

Lifelines
 

Take em off Wally, you'll never miss em.

Scotty

"Wally" wrote in message
...
Bobsprit wrote:

Stand by for the next installment of "Wally's This Ruined Old Boat."

Hey, it's a 'project'.

Don't get sensitive!

I'm not.

It's all in jest.

I know. When I said 'project', I should have said 'keel-up restoration
project'. When I bought it, it wasn't completely tatty and worn - some
bits
were missing. :-)


But don't underestimate
important stuff...like spreaders and keel bolts...and lights!

Two out of three ain't bad...


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

Lifelines
 

Scott Vernon wrote:

Take em off Wally, you'll never miss em.

Methinks this is what will be happening.


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

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Stop wasting time thinking. I told you to remove them!!!!!

SV

"Wally" wrote in message
...
Scott Vernon wrote:

Take em off Wally, you'll never miss em.

Methinks this is what will be happening.


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

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You use cupholds at the bow?

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I would say not very necessary. Mostly, they give you a false
sense of security at best. At worst, they're a hazard. On bigger
boats, when you're going up to the front a lot, I can justify them
I suppose.

Still, after all the dumb comments and useless advice, I have to step up
to the
plate and offer the only valid statements.
Lifelines are a must and this is why...
You can hang cupholders from them.

Capt RB

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Jonathan Ganz wrote:

You use cupholds at the bow?



Well Jon, you have too apply a little reason here. Consider that
Boobsies boat
is slip bound. Now if you're sitting on the dock by the bow, with
hibachi set
up grilling huge fat dripping polish sausages, (sort of a tail gate
party with
a marine motif), what more logical place for the cup holders? Except
that they
are not to hold cups but rather beer steins.

Cheers
Marty

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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:04:07 -0400, Martin Baxter
wrote:

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

You use cupholds at the bow?



Well Jon, you have too apply a little reason here. Consider that
Boobsies boat
is slip bound. Now if you're sitting on the dock by the bow, with
hibachi set
up grilling huge fat dripping polish sausages, (sort of a tail gate
party with
a marine motif), what more logical place for the cup holders? Except
that they
are not to hold cups but rather beer steins.

Actually, that doesn't sound too bad to me.

Lifelines
 

Wally wrote:

How neccessary are lifelines on a small boat like my 18-footer?

It depends ;)

.... They don't
seem very functional to me - they barely reach knee height, there's no deck
to speak of along the sides of the coachroof, and they come down to the
sides around the cockpit - there's no pushpit, only a pulpit, and the most
aft stanchion is level with the back of the cabin.


That's true on most small cruisers. It makes slightly more sense to have
lifelines on a raised deck small boat.

It makes no sense whatever to have lifelines strung on stanchions that are too
weak to hold a person on deck if they fall heavily against the lifelines. But
it's a fairly common weakness.

My advice FWIW would be to take off the lifelines & stanchions, fiberglass over
the holes properly, and remount the bow pulpit properly. A bow pulpit can be a
godsend. Much more useful than the usual lifelines.



Before I make the final decision to remove them, is there anything I'm
missing about their function, such that removal would be a mistake?

Well, do you need them to hang fenders from or secure spring lines? Drying
towels & other laundry? Clamping a tent cover onto? Those are the usual
functions, since lifelines as commonly installed are next to useless for
preventing crew overboard. It sounds to me like you'd be better off removing
what you've got, fiberglass over, and if you decide you want them back, start
over from scratch.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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He likes to drink tea when throwing up.

I think Jane's getting a bit odd...

RB

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Give it up Bob.... we all know there is a maximum weight restriction on a
Laser!!!

CM

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| Have you ever sailed a dinghy? Like, with no lifelines, no harness, no
| barometric windspeed toys, and no ornamental knives?
|
| Hmmm....you mean like the laser I spent a summer sailing? Or like a Flying
| Scott? How about an old Albacore??? Lots of fun! Sunfish? Yep...sailed
those as
| well when I was a kid. Lightening....well, kinda moving away from the
dinghy
| idea...but yep! Cape Dory Typhoon? Rhodes 19? Yep, yep....but again, they
had
| heavy bottoms!
|
| Sorry, Wally.
|
| RB

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message

| Lifelines are a must and this is why...
| You can hang cupholders from them.

Amatuer.... I went from the breast to the bottle. That trauma alone was
enough to restrict further excursions.

Cup... HAH!

CM

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I'm
thinking that a similar loop at the base of the mast might be a good =
idea.

Run a jackline...it's about the safest method there is and it keeps you =
centered...I have attached to the mast in the past on the spinnaker ring =
but there's not enough harness line to get up to the bow pulpit.

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

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How old were you? 14?

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...

"Bobsprit" wrote in message

| Lifelines are a must and this is why...
| You can hang cupholders from them.

Amatuer.... I went from the breast to the bottle. That trauma alone was
enough to restrict further excursions.

Cup... HAH!

CM

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
If you look at the original post, you'll see that I was trying to find out
if there was something I might be missing with regard to the purpose of
lifelines and how they're used.

This was Wally's best troll EVER!
4 stars!

He seems to have caught a big fat Bobfish.


I'm impressed - and also a little bit jealous!

Regards


Donal
--

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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:14:04 GMT, "Wally" wrote
this crap:

No stove. No hot stuff to put in cups. No cups. Ergo, no need for
cupholders.

What about for the beer?


Hero@Horvath

I don't spend my money on food. I spend most of my money
on women, porn, booze, and recreation. The rest of it I just waste.

Lifelines
 

The Captains Nemesis wrote in message

| You drink beer from a cup.....how quaint.

I've got this really nifty beer sling! Fit's the bottle just perfect! I
think it's made from a Greek Fisherman's Cap!

CM

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One of those battery nav lights came with my boat, but one of the delivery
crew stole it later.

Scotty


The Captains Nemesis wrote

Hmmm we carry battery powered nav lights on the Etchells just in case
we get caught out after sundown.
I'd invest in one now, for safety sake.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
Who spends an hour tuning before every race not just when new sails go on
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Lifelines
 

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

| One of those battery nav lights came with my boat, but one of the delivery
| crew stole it later.

Damn.... you'll never get Haggie to part with it now!!

CM

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DSK wrote:

My advice FWIW would be to take off the lifelines & stanchions,
fiberglass over the holes properly, and remount the bow pulpit
properly. A bow pulpit can be a godsend. Much more useful than the
usual lifelines.

I was planning on keeping the pulpit (and it does need remounting).


Before I make the final decision to remove them, is there anything
I'm missing about their function, such that removal would be a
mistake?

Well, do you need them to hang fenders from ...

That's a very good point. :-) Since I was planning to plug the holes with
bolts rather than glass over, maybe U-bolts of the right width would be a
better idea.


... or secure spring lines?

My feeling is that I'd rather use cleats for that - there are four around
the cockpit (two at the quarters, two mid-way along the sides), but only one
in the middle of the foredeck.


Drying towels & other laundry?

Unlikely. I'd rig a line if I needed to do that.


Clamping a tent cover onto?

A sheet of material described as a 'boom tent' came with the boat, but I
don't know how it attaches to the sides. I dare say I could find something
to tie it to if I ever wanted to use it.


Those are
the usual functions, since lifelines as commonly installed are next
to useless for preventing crew overboard.

I think I can find alternative ways of fulfilling those functions - my
concern was more about whether safety would be compromised.


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

Lifelines
 

On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:52:06 +1000, The Captains Nemesis wrote this
crap:

On 21 Oct 2003 23:44:44 GMT, Horvath wrote:

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:14:04 GMT, "Wally" wrote
this crap:

No stove. No hot stuff to put in cups. No cups. Ergo, no need for
cupholders.

What about for the beer?

You drink beer from a cup.....how quaint.

Can, bottle, glass, brown paper bag. Whatever I can get.


Hero@Horvath

I don't spend my money on food. I spend most of my money
on women, porn, booze, and recreation. The rest of it I just waste.

Lifelines
 

Well, do you need them to hang fenders from ...


Wally wrote:
That's a very good point. :-) Since I was planning to plug the holes with
bolts rather than glass over, maybe U-bolts of the right width would be a
better idea.

If the holes have been compromised in some way, leakage or excessive flexing, or
even just a lot of freeze/thaw cycles, then you're better off taking out the old
laminate edge and filling them all with new fiberglass. Then you can put in
U-bolts (bad idea) or padeyes or whatever, with secure knowledge that this
important structural part of your boat is sound.




Those are
the usual functions, since lifelines as commonly installed are next
to useless for preventing crew overboard.

I think I can find alternative ways of fulfilling those functions - my
concern was more about whether safety would be compromised.

Well, everything on a boat does a lot of different stuff. Part of what makes it
fun. If you have no other use for lifelines, they are mostly in the way (and the
smaller the boat the more so), then ditch 'em. Reduce weight, reduce windage,
reduce maintenance, and you can sell the parts.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote:

Amatuer.... I went from the breast to the bottle. That trauma alone
was
enough to restrict further excursions.

Hmmm. Maybe you should go back to the breast then...

LP ;-)

Lifelines
 

There are worse things I guess..

"Pockets of Resistance" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:04:07 -0400, Martin Baxter
wrote:

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

You use cupholds at the bow?



Well Jon, you have too apply a little reason here. Consider that
Boobsies boat
is slip bound. Now if you're sitting on the dock by the bow, with
hibachi set
up grilling huge fat dripping polish sausages, (sort of a tail gate
party with
a marine motif), what more logical place for the cup holders? Except
that they
are not to hold cups but rather beer steins.

Actually, that doesn't sound too bad to me.

Lifelines
 

In his slip?

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:39:17 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote:

You use cupholds at the bow?


He likes to drink tea when throwing up.

BB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I would say not very necessary. Mostly, they give you a false
sense of security at best. At worst, they're a hazard. On bigger
boats, when you're going up to the front a lot, I can justify them
I suppose.

Still, after all the dumb comments and useless advice, I have to step
up
to the
plate and offer the only valid statements.
Lifelines are a must and this is why...
You can hang cupholders from them.

Capt RB

Lifelines
 

"Lady Pilot" wrote in message

| Hmmm. Maybe you should go back to the breast then...
|
| LP ;-)

I'm looking for a pair labeled Rum & Beer.....

CM