Have you all seen . . .
 

Are you actually claiming your keel is a Scheel Keel? It certainly doesn't look like one!


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Read it and weep you useless model train weenie!

http://www.cays.com/ph40shoalkeel.html

S.Simon


"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
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One can see the thickness of the keel which is necessary for proper lift in
a shoal keel.

The above quote from the photo caption is really funny. I'll bet that thing
really goes to windward with that fat balloon keel. That thing might give the
propper ballast for it's size but trust me it offers no lift.


S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

Have you all seen . . .
 

It can hardly be a Scheel keel since the man didn't invent
it until 1976 and my fine yacht was built sometime in 1972.

Duh!

It IS similar in many respects to the Scheel keel, however.
It differs in that it is more of a foil shape but it does have the
weight down low as a shoal keel should. It's shape, like the
Sheel keel, acts to reduce the loss over the tip as explained
in the link. Less loss of lift due to turbulence equals greater
efficiency.

My keel works! My boat is as weatherly as any
I've sailed against including some yachts that are larger.
It is generally faster than most the same size on a reach
and on a run it doesn't wallow like those vessels that
have a deep fin keel. It's the hot set-up, believe me.

S.Simon



"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
Are you actually claiming your keel is a Scheel Keel? It certainly doesn't look like one!


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Read it and weep you useless model train weenie!

http://www.cays.com/ph40shoalkeel.html

S.Simon


"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
One can see the thickness of the keel which is necessary for proper lift in
a shoal keel.

The above quote from the photo caption is really funny. I'll bet that thing
really goes to windward with that fat balloon keel. That thing might give the
propper ballast for it's size but trust me it offers no lift.


S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

Have you all seen . . .
 

And, how am I to wind the boot stripe tape on this
despenser? And how am I to roll it straight across
compound curves? I don't think it's the answer.

The way to apply boot stripe tape to get it straight
as an arrow is to attach it in the right place on the
bow and unroll a very long length while removing
the paper that covers the stickum. Then one must
while keeping the bitter end lever allow it to touch
and stick to the hull along the top of the tape while
stretching it slightly because the top of the tape must
cover slightly more length than the bottom. One
must do this in a calm wind or it's hopeless. Even
in a calm it is still very difficult to get it perfectly
straight because of the optical illusion of the curved
hull vs. the straight line throws off the senses.

Actually, if one views the pictures full size the line
looks pretty straight. Reducing the size of the pictures
for uploading to the web page makes even straight
lines look wavy.

S.Simon


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
Basically, it's a tape dispenser with a paper roller attachment.
Contractors use it when painting large surfaces that require
very precise straight lines. It sort of looks like a paint roller,
but it has both on it. Go to www.homedepot.com, then type
tape and paper in the search. It's the first item on the list.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
What ARE you talking about? A roller with tape?
I don't get it.

S.Simon


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Have you tried using a roller with tape? They sell them in Home
Depot for masking paint jobs. Works great. Use the paper and
tape not the plastic. Seems to work a bit better. The plastic tends
to get stuck on the tape.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
It's real hard to get that darned tape on straight, real hard!

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Does this show some tape on the waterline? seems... wavey...

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Have you all seen what the underbody of a truly fast little
cruising yacht looks like?

Here's your chance if you've not had a chance to.

http://www.homestead.com/captneal/haulout.html

S.Simon - a secret admirer of Capt. Neal

Have you all seen . . .
 

Oh no not again!

Cheers MC

Jeff Morris wrote:

The fact that it may be a NACA foil does not mean that it is well suited to the task. It
only means the NACA, the forerunner of NASA, cataloged the properties of the shape back in
1932. I assume you're talking about the symmetrical "4-digit" series, which would have a
round front and maximum thickness about 30% aft. These have been the standard starting
point for keel and rudder designs for the last 70 years.

Perhaps you could give us the foil number, and explain why you picked that particular
shape, and why you think its better that the one specified by Bill Tripp.

Frankly, every time I look at those pictures I wonder how the boat ever goes upwind.

-jeff


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

Your ignorant statement proves you know nothing
about NACA foils.

S.Simon

"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message

...

One can see the thickness of the keel which is necessary for proper lift in
a shoal keel.

The above quote from the photo caption is really funny. I'll bet that thing
really goes to windward with that fat balloon keel. That thing might give the
propper ballast for it's size but trust me it offers no lift.


S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

Have you all seen . . .
 

How close to the wind can you get with your keel stump?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

Have you all seen what the underbody of a truly fast little
cruising yacht looks like?

Here's your chance if you've not had a chance to.

http://www.homestead.com/captneal/haulout.html

S.Simon - a secret admirer of Capt. Neal

Have you all seen . . .
 

Well, it may not look like it works, but it does. Oh,
you're using tape for the line... why not use paint?

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
And, how am I to wind the boot stripe tape on this
despenser? And how am I to roll it straight across
compound curves? I don't think it's the answer.

The way to apply boot stripe tape to get it straight
as an arrow is to attach it in the right place on the
bow and unroll a very long length while removing
the paper that covers the stickum. Then one must
while keeping the bitter end lever allow it to touch
and stick to the hull along the top of the tape while
stretching it slightly because the top of the tape must
cover slightly more length than the bottom. One
must do this in a calm wind or it's hopeless. Even
in a calm it is still very difficult to get it perfectly
straight because of the optical illusion of the curved
hull vs. the straight line throws off the senses.

Actually, if one views the pictures full size the line
looks pretty straight. Reducing the size of the pictures
for uploading to the web page makes even straight
lines look wavy.

S.Simon


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Basically, it's a tape dispenser with a paper roller attachment.
Contractors use it when painting large surfaces that require
very precise straight lines. It sort of looks like a paint roller,
but it has both on it. Go to www.homedepot.com, then type
tape and paper in the search. It's the first item on the list.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
What ARE you talking about? A roller with tape?
I don't get it.

S.Simon


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Have you tried using a roller with tape? They sell them in Home
Depot for masking paint jobs. Works great. Use the paper and
tape not the plastic. Seems to work a bit better. The plastic tends
to get stuck on the tape.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
It's real hard to get that darned tape on straight, real hard!

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Does this show some tape on the waterline? seems... wavey...

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Have you all seen what the underbody of a truly fast little
cruising yacht looks like?

Here's your chance if you've not had a chance to.

http://www.homestead.com/captneal/haulout.html

S.Simon - a secret admirer of Capt. Neal

Have you all seen . . .
 

Check out the lines on Ella! Not only straight but exactly on the WL!

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:
And, how am I to wind the boot stripe tape on this
despenser? And how am I to roll it straight across
compound curves? I don't think it's the answer.

The way to apply boot stripe tape to get it straight
as an arrow is to attach it in the right place on the
bow and unroll a very long length while removing
the paper that covers the stickum. Then one must
while keeping the bitter end lever allow it to touch
and stick to the hull along the top of the tape while
stretching it slightly because the top of the tape must
cover slightly more length than the bottom. One
must do this in a calm wind or it's hopeless. Even
in a calm it is still very difficult to get it perfectly
straight because of the optical illusion of the curved
hull vs. the straight line throws off the senses.

Actually, if one views the pictures full size the line
looks pretty straight. Reducing the size of the pictures
for uploading to the web page makes even straight
lines look wavy.

S.Simon


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...

Basically, it's a tape dispenser with a paper roller attachment.
Contractors use it when painting large surfaces that require
very precise straight lines. It sort of looks like a paint roller,
but it has both on it. Go to www.homedepot.com, then type
tape and paper in the search. It's the first item on the list.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

What ARE you talking about? A roller with tape?
I don't get it.

S.Simon


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

...

Have you tried using a roller with tape? They sell them in Home
Depot for masking paint jobs. Works great. Use the paper and
tape not the plastic. Seems to work a bit better. The plastic tends
to get stuck on the tape.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

It's real hard to get that darned tape on straight, real hard!

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

...

Does this show some tape on the waterline? seems... wavey...

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

Have you all seen what the underbody of a truly fast little
cruising yacht looks like?

Here's your chance if you've not had a chance to.

http://www.homestead.com/captneal/haulout.html

S.Simon - a secret admirer of Capt. Neal

Have you all seen . . .
 

You leave my cellulite out of it!

Cheers MC

The Captains Nemesis wrote:
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:28:05 +1300, The_navigator©
wrote:


Check out the lines on Ella! Not only straight but exactly on the WL!

Cheers MC


Tee Hee, but you have those little dimples to help out.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
Who spends an hour tuning before every race not just when new sails go on
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Have you all seen . . .
 

Simple Simon wrote:

I used Petit Trinidad. I used two gallons which allows me to put
eight coats on the rudder, six coats around the waterline and down
a couple of feet, and four coats everywhere else. It was done
towards the end of 2001.

Why put extra around the waterline? Increased chance of growth due to
sunlight?


I mixed two little bottles of Super DI-ALL MC-1 mildewcide (active
ingredient tributyltin oxide) into each gallon.

I'll have a look at the Micron Extra docs to see if it has that in it -
sounds familiar.


The paint is still in pretty
good shape but is wearing a little thin in places because I scrub it
with a scrub brush about once a month after the first year. From a
distance when heeled the bottom looks like it has just been painted.
There is no growth showing mostly because of the scrub brush action.

So, regular scrubbing is a good idea, I take it.


I can probably get another year out of it but I'm planning on painting
it again this winter.

Sounds like it's lasted well - the Micron Extra is supposed to last two
years (4 coats on the main areas).


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

Have you all seen . . .
 

Extra wear 'n tear, flotsam, jetsam, friction, scrubbing, light,
sheepsheads....

Seahags

Wally wrote in message
...
Simple Simon wrote:

I used Petit Trinidad. I used two gallons which allows me to put
eight coats on the rudder, six coats around the waterline and down
a couple of feet, and four coats everywhere else. It was done
towards the end of 2001.

Why put extra around the waterline? Increased chance of growth due to
sunlight?


I mixed two little bottles of Super DI-ALL MC-1 mildewcide (active
ingredient tributyltin oxide) into each gallon.

I'll have a look at the Micron Extra docs to see if it has that in it -
sounds familiar.


The paint is still in pretty
good shape but is wearing a little thin in places because I scrub it
with a scrub brush about once a month after the first year. From a
distance when heeled the bottom looks like it has just been painted.
There is no growth showing mostly because of the scrub brush action.

So, regular scrubbing is a good idea, I take it.


I can probably get another year out of it but I'm planning on painting
it again this winter.

Sounds like it's lasted well - the Micron Extra is supposed to last two
years (4 coats on the main areas).


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.