"Simple Simon" wrote:

Does that mean all automobile owners should install that crap
in their cars and invest in Nomex suits?
S.Simon


Well, if you are flying for the US Forest guys and putting out fires,
the answer is yes. You have to buy Nomex.

LP

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
..

The ONLY reason racers use roll-ups is they cannot possibly
hand real sails. That does not mean roll-ups are superior in any
way, shape or form to safe, reliable, tried and true hank-on sails
that all sensible cruisers should be using.

Gee, and all this time I thought it was sensible not to go to the bow to
reduce sail area when it's blowing like stink and the seas are up to 30'. I
should write a letter to those race organizers protesting their absolutely
dismal safety practices.


All NASCAR racers use roll cages and four point seat belts
and welded shut doors and fuel cells. They wear Nomex
suits.

Does that mean all automobile owners should install that crap
in their cars and invest in Nomex suits? No it doesn't. In the
same way sensible cruisers will sail a boat within their abilities
to single-handedly sail safely and this means hank-on sails are
the best choice.

So they should probably make seat belts in passenger vehicles optional. The
government shouldn't test vehicles for crash worthiness, so what if the roof
collapses when you have a roll over accident. That stuff about vehicle gas
tanks rupturing is just sissy stuff that the average consumer shouldn't
worry about. A final thought, there must be quite a few senseless cruisers,
I can't recall the last time I saw a cruising boat built in the last 20
years that didn't have roller furling as an option. The only drawback that
comes to mind is it is something you wouldn't be able to slap together from
bits of scrap metal.
John Cairns
S.Simon


"John Cairns" wrote in message
...

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Better yet, get rid of all that sissy, high maintenance, prone to
failure,
unsightly, roll-up crap. Hank-on sails are markedly superior and
totally
trouble-free.

S.Simon - uses real sails not some woman's version patterned
after a window shade.

Sissy like this guy, maybe?
http://www.aroundalone2002.com/

Or maybe these folks.
http://www.transat650.org/

I know you're a HUGE fan of the French.
http://www.vendeeglobe.com/

Next time you sail around the Horn with your hank-on sails, let us know.
John Cairns

You need to get a new decorator, Neil...a yellow boat with mauve
cushions don't match...

And that isn't all...his canvas is all marine bright blue...throw in =
some hot pink and he'd have a calliope wagon....

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

I think that one could argue that one should reduce sail
in advance of conditions such as the one you describe.
However, I have sailed many miles with furlers and
never had a problem. They are a safe and reliable tool.
We don't use them on our teaching boats for a couple of
reasons mainly. They're expensive and we're on a limited
budget. We want students to know what it takes to change
head sails, and we want them to know how to plan in
advance to do that.

"kim cairns" wrote in message
...

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
.

The ONLY reason racers use roll-ups is they cannot possibly
hand real sails. That does not mean roll-ups are superior in any
way, shape or form to safe, reliable, tried and true hank-on sails
that all sensible cruisers should be using.

Gee, and all this time I thought it was sensible not to go to the bow to
reduce sail area when it's blowing like stink and the seas are up to 30'.
I
should write a letter to those race organizers protesting their absolutely
dismal safety practices.


All NASCAR racers use roll cages and four point seat belts
and welded shut doors and fuel cells. They wear Nomex
suits.

Does that mean all automobile owners should install that crap
in their cars and invest in Nomex suits? No it doesn't. In the
same way sensible cruisers will sail a boat within their abilities
to single-handedly sail safely and this means hank-on sails are
the best choice.

So they should probably make seat belts in passenger vehicles optional.
The
government shouldn't test vehicles for crash worthiness, so what if the
roof
collapses when you have a roll over accident. That stuff about vehicle gas
tanks rupturing is just sissy stuff that the average consumer shouldn't
worry about. A final thought, there must be quite a few senseless
cruisers,
I can't recall the last time I saw a cruising boat built in the last 20
years that didn't have roller furling as an option. The only drawback that
comes to mind is it is something you wouldn't be able to slap together
from
bits of scrap metal.
John Cairns
S.Simon


"John Cairns" wrote in message
...

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Better yet, get rid of all that sissy, high maintenance, prone to
failure,
unsightly, roll-up crap. Hank-on sails are markedly superior and
totally
trouble-free.

S.Simon - uses real sails not some woman's version patterned
after a window shade.

Sissy like this guy, maybe?
http://www.aroundalone2002.com/

Or maybe these folks.
http://www.transat650.org/

I know you're a HUGE fan of the French.
http://www.vendeeglobe.com/

Next time you sail around the Horn with your hank-on sails, let us
know.
John Cairns

And YOU need to be bitch slapped!!

S.Simon


"Lady Pilot" wrote in message ...

"Simple Simon" wrote:
S.Simon - uses real sails not some woman's version patterned
after a window shade.

Like you would know how a woman decorates in this century...

Let me give you a hint, sweetheart... I sold my mauve leather sofa
and loveseat. Now I have a alabaster leather sofa/loveseat with four
recliners.

You need to get a new decorator, Neil...a yellow boat with mauve
cushions don't match...

LP

Absolutely correct. One should have hanked or foiled sails on a training
vessel. I have never had any problems with my furler, the only person I know
of that had any problems had a damaged unit that they didn't fix. Another
point that SS ignores, they (and other labor saving devices) allow people to
sail at an age that they otherwise might not be able to. I hadn't thought of
this until one of our local club members mentioned that they had in-mast
furling on their 40' Beneteau, with the aside that it made sailing the boat
easier. If not for these devices, these folks might be sailing a trawler.
John Cairns
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
I think that one could argue that one should reduce sail
in advance of conditions such as the one you describe.
However, I have sailed many miles with furlers and
never had a problem. They are a safe and reliable tool.
We don't use them on our teaching boats for a couple of
reasons mainly. They're expensive and we're on a limited
budget. We want students to know what it takes to change
head sails, and we want them to know how to plan in
advance to do that.

"kim cairns" wrote in message
...

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
.

The ONLY reason racers use roll-ups is they cannot possibly
hand real sails. That does not mean roll-ups are superior in any
way, shape or form to safe, reliable, tried and true hank-on sails
that all sensible cruisers should be using.

Gee, and all this time I thought it was sensible not to go to the bow to
reduce sail area when it's blowing like stink and the seas are up to
30'.
I
should write a letter to those race organizers protesting their
absolutely
dismal safety practices.


All NASCAR racers use roll cages and four point seat belts
and welded shut doors and fuel cells. They wear Nomex
suits.

Does that mean all automobile owners should install that crap
in their cars and invest in Nomex suits? No it doesn't. In the
same way sensible cruisers will sail a boat within their abilities
to single-handedly sail safely and this means hank-on sails are
the best choice.

So they should probably make seat belts in passenger vehicles optional.
The
government shouldn't test vehicles for crash worthiness, so what if the
roof
collapses when you have a roll over accident. That stuff about vehicle
gas
tanks rupturing is just sissy stuff that the average consumer shouldn't
worry about. A final thought, there must be quite a few senseless
cruisers,
I can't recall the last time I saw a cruising boat built in the last 20
years that didn't have roller furling as an option. The only drawback
that
comes to mind is it is something you wouldn't be able to slap together
from
bits of scrap metal.
John Cairns
S.Simon


"John Cairns" wrote in message
...

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Better yet, get rid of all that sissy, high maintenance, prone to
failure,
unsightly, roll-up crap. Hank-on sails are markedly superior and
totally
trouble-free.

S.Simon - uses real sails not some woman's version patterned
after a window shade.

Sissy like this guy, maybe?
http://www.aroundalone2002.com/

Or maybe these folks.
http://www.transat650.org/

I know you're a HUGE fan of the French.
http://www.vendeeglobe.com/

Next time you sail around the Horn with your hank-on sails, let us
know.
John Cairns

Be sure to wipe that blade down when you pull it out of the flesh like
that...

LP

"katysails" wrote:
You need to get a new decorator, Neil...a yellow boat with mauve
cushions don't match...

And that isn't all...his canvas is all marine bright blue...throw in
some hot pink and he'd have a calliope wagon....

--
katysails

"Simple Simon" wrote:
And YOU need to be bitch slapped!!

Are you telling me your a bitch and you want to slap me? snicker

LP (better watch that blood pressure)

Katy is stupid. If she ever went sailing she'd know
you can't see the yellow and the mauve at the same
time.

S.Simon


"Lady Pilot" wrote in message news:WMkkb.2927$B_2.1402@okepread02...
Be sure to wipe that blade down when you pull it out of the flesh like
that...

LP

"katysails" wrote:
You need to get a new decorator, Neil...a yellow boat with mauve
cushions don't match...

And that isn't all...his canvas is all marine bright blue...throw in
some hot pink and he'd have a calliope wagon....

--
katysails

How would you like a trip to the moon?

BP was 117/73 today after my workout.
Weight down to 180 lbs - only ten pounds
to go.

You'd like me if you met me in person.

S.Simon


"Lady Pilot" wrote in message news:RNkkb.2928$B_2.2205@okepread02...

"Simple Simon" wrote:
And YOU need to be bitch slapped!!

Are you telling me your a bitch and you want to slap me? snicker

LP (better watch that blood pressure)