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Cheating Or Not?
Last Wensday night we were heading out thru the lake to sail in the
bay. The local race was happening in the lake and the course was a triangle with one leg next to the channel we were in. Just as we hit this leg the race did as well. One guy that was smarter than the rest jumped on our 3 foot wake and surfed along with us at 8 knts. He left everyone else far behind and won the race. Was it cheating? Or was he just a better sailor? Wish I heard all the protest at the bar that sponsers that race. What do you think? Joe MSV RedCloud |
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Are you saying you blasted a race with a three foot wake? I doubt the discussion was
whether it was cheating to surf it! "Joe" wrote in message om... Last Wensday night we were heading out thru the lake to sail in the bay. The local race was happening in the lake and the course was a triangle with one leg next to the channel we were in. Just as we hit this leg the race did as well. One guy that was smarter than the rest jumped on our 3 foot wake and surfed along with us at 8 knts. He left everyone else far behind and won the race. Was it cheating? Or was he just a better sailor? Wish I heard all the protest at the bar that sponsers that race. What do you think? Joe MSV RedCloud |
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Was it cheating? Or was he just a better sailor?=20
Better sailor. He saw the advantage and took it. Winning is knowing = what is to your advantage and what isn't. If it had been a natural wave = that just happened to happen at that point, noone would think a thing = about it. --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
Are you saying you blasted a race with a three foot wake? Greetings Jeff, Yes I did, I could not beleive they set up the course so close to the channel. They have the whole lake, and if anyone was to blame for my wake upsetting the race it was the morons that set up the course. I did slow down but once that guy jump on my wake I shoveled in the coal and he had a blast. He waved and thanked me. Joe MSV RedCloud I doubt the discussion was whether it was cheating to surf it! "Joe" wrote in message om... Last Wensday night we were heading out thru the lake to sail in the bay. The local race was happening in the lake and the course was a triangle with one leg next to the channel we were in. Just as we hit this leg the race did as well. One guy that was smarter than the rest jumped on our 3 foot wake and surfed along with us at 8 knts. He left everyone else far behind and won the race. Was it cheating? Or was he just a better sailor? Wish I heard all the protest at the bar that sponsers that race. What do you think? Joe MSV RedCloud |
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I agree... what gives these racing bozos the right to assume they have
priority over cruising vessels because they have elected to plunk their buoys where they deem fit. No race has priority over any other vessel using the same waters. NONE! To hell with them! I'll gladly head directly into an oncoming fleet of racers and refuse to alter course just to suit their laylines. Courtesy is a two way street and very little courtesy is shown by racing boats.... I feel no obligation to assume burdened status because some weekend yahoos decide to test their boats. CM "Joe" wrote in message om... | "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... | Are you saying you blasted a race with a three foot wake? | | Greetings Jeff, | | Yes I did, I could not beleive they set up the course so close to the | channel. | | They have the whole lake, and if anyone was to blame for my wake | upsetting the race it was the morons that set up the course. I did | slow down but once that guy jump on my wake I shoveled in the coal and | he had a blast. He waved and thanked me. | | Joe | MSV RedCloud | | | I doubt the discussion was | whether it was cheating to surf it! | | | | "Joe" wrote in message | om... | Last Wensday night we were heading out thru the lake to sail in the | bay. | | The local race was happening in the lake and the course was a triangle | with one leg next to the channel we were in. Just as we hit this leg | the race did as well. | | One guy that was smarter than the rest jumped on our 3 foot wake and | surfed along with us at 8 knts. He left everyone else far behind and | won the race. | | Was it cheating? Or was he just a better sailor? | | Wish I heard all the protest at the bar that sponsers that race. | | What do you think? | | Joe | MSV RedCloud |
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The Captains Nemesis wrote in message ... On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:04:26 -0300, "Capt. Mooron" wrote: I agree... what gives these racing bozos the right to assume they have priority over cruising vessels because they have elected to plunk their buoys where they deem fit. No race has priority over any other vessel using the same waters. NONE! To hell with them! I'll gladly head directly into an oncoming fleet of racers and refuse to alter course just to suit their laylines. Courtesy is a two way street and very little courtesy is shown by racing boats.... I feel no obligation to assume burdened status because some weekend yahoos decide to test their boats. CM Oh Goody, a troll!! Still....Courtesy....Seems that when racing boats approach, courtesy is that the non racing boats allow them free passage where possible. Why????? Racing boats obviously feel that "courtesy" demands that ordinary sailors should give way. I do both cruising AND racing. When cruising, I've noticed that racers often don't offer their gratitude to a cruiser that doesn't give them "enough" exemption from the Coll Regs. After a few years of doing both cruising, and racing - I have become less tolerant of the racers. They rarely show any gratitude when a cruiser gives way ( a little wave of gratitude would cost NOTHING), and yet they are very willing to show their displeasure when they are forced into a bit of foul air in the lee of a cruiser. Regards Donal -- Charging thru a race fleet screaming that you are not racing and demanding your rights is the height of ignorance......Wait.....I forgot to whom I was speaking.....carry on Mooron, no sense in changing now eh? Actually, it is the Coll Regs! Boats on port tack should give way to boats on starboard. If the racers were more willing to "wave" a thank you, then they would find that their way was clear. Regards Donal -- "A man should not mince his words to spare the sensibilities of the thin skinned or the Simple minded.! |
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Are you sailing on Clear Lake?
"Joe" wrote in message om... Last Wensday night we were heading out thru the lake to sail in the bay. The local race was happening in the lake and the course was a triangle with one leg next to the channel we were in. Just as we hit this leg the race did as well. One guy that was smarter than the rest jumped on our 3 foot wake and surfed along with us at 8 knts. He left everyone else far behind and won the race. Was it cheating? Or was he just a better sailor? Wish I heard all the protest at the bar that sponsers that race. What do you think? Joe MSV RedCloud |
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"Joe" wrote:
I did slow down but once that guy jump on my wake I shoveled in the coal and he had a blast. He waved and thanked me. Since you put it that way, yes, it does sound like cheating! |
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I could not beleive they set up the course so close to the
channel. On both Muskegon and White Lake up here they set up the courses across = the channel on purpose to get the gain from the wind siphoning in or out = of the channel...it's very deliberate.... --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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The Captains Nemesis wrote in message | Oh Goody, a troll!! ;-D.... things were getting dull! | | Still....Courtesy....Seems that when racing boats approach, courtesy | is that the non racing boats allow them free passage where possible. | Charging thru a race fleet screaming that you are not racing and | demanding your rights is the height of ignorance......Wait.....I | forgot to whom I was speaking.....carry on Mooron, no sense in | changing now eh? Heh Now... looky here... courtesy is a two way street. I've never seen a racing boat show any courtesy to a cruiser.... either on the water or at the dock. It's about time those racing schmucks got the idea they don't own the friggin' water and that there might be mobile obstacles crossing their paths. If they can't live with that then maybe they should apply for a restricted admittance area delineated on a chart much like a military testing zone. They could "lease" these zones at outrageous sums paid annually... and the government could reimburse cruisers by lower tax, insurance and registration fees. It high time these dangerous, tipsy, uni-purpose, fin keeled mackerel rakes were put in their place. CM |
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"Pony Express" wrote in message hlink.net... | Not only is it the height of ignorance, in | Maryland, it is also negligent boating. What's ignorant is a racer's assumption he has priority over a cruiser because he's in a race!!! The only negligence is the fact that the racers assume the colregs are suspended for the duration of the race!! Maryland is known for it's flagrant disregard of sailing etiquette!! Most racers are drunks and loudmouths!! CM |
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On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 20:04:26 -0300, "Capt. Mooron"
wrote this crap: I agree... what gives these racing bozos the right to assume they have priority over cruising vessels because they have elected to plunk their buoys where they deem fit. No race has priority over any other vessel using the same waters. NONE! To hell with them! I'll gladly head directly into an oncoming fleet of racers and refuse to alter course just to suit their laylines. Courtesy is a two way street and very little courtesy is shown by racing boats.... I feel no obligation to assume burdened status because some weekend yahoos decide to test their boats. You do that to me, and you'll be picking lead out of your ass. Us racers are very competative. Hero@Horvath I don't spend my money on food. I spend most of my money on women, porn, booze, and recreation. The rest of it I just waste. |
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"Horvath" wrote in message | You do that to me, and you'll be picking lead out of your ass. Us | racers are very competative. Horvath... that's an awful big boast from someone who sails a Hunter. If your piece of flexible oil canning oversize Macgregor 26X ever hit my boat... you would shatter and sink without leaving a dent on my steel toerails. The only way that piece of **** could even approach my fine vessel would be on a bearing down course... cause it sails like it's got an anchor strapped to it's scoop transom. Plastic crap of a boat that Hunter. I'd kick you ass in a race anytime bucky! CM |
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On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:19:46 -0300, "Capt. Mooron"
wrote this crap: "Horvath" wrote in message | You do that to me, and you'll be picking lead out of your ass. Us | racers are very competative. Horvath... that's an awful big boast from someone who sails a Hunter. If your piece of flexible oil canning oversize Macgregor 26X ever hit my boat... you would shatter and sink without leaving a dent on my steel toerails. The only way that piece of **** could even approach my fine vessel would be on a bearing down course... cause it sails like it's got an anchor strapped to it's scoop transom. Plastic crap of a boat that Hunter. I'd kick you ass in a race anytime bucky! How many times do I have to post this picture? All those blue flags are for winning races, dumbass. You couldn't even get across the starting line. Hero@Horvath I don't spend my money on food. I spend most of my money on women, porn, booze, and recreation. The rest of it I just waste. |
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"Myron Florin" wrote in message link.net...
Are you sailing on Clear Lake? Some times, but most of the lake is to shallow, we draw 4&1/2 feet with the keel up and 11 feet with it down, sometimes we do plow around the lake, usually we head out into Galveston bay to sail. Was that you on my wake? If so you owe me a six pack. Joe "Joe" wrote in message om... Last Wensday night we were heading out thru the lake to sail in the bay. The local race was happening in the lake and the course was a triangle with one leg next to the channel we were in. Just as we hit this leg the race did as well. One guy that was smarter than the rest jumped on our 3 foot wake and surfed along with us at 8 knts. He left everyone else far behind and won the race. Was it cheating? Or was he just a better sailor? Wish I heard all the protest at the bar that sponsers that race. What do you think? Joe MSV RedCloud |
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What picture? Where do you post it?
"Horvath" wrote in message ... On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:19:46 -0300, "Capt. Mooron" wrote this crap: "Horvath" wrote in message | You do that to me, and you'll be picking lead out of your ass. Us | racers are very competative. Horvath... that's an awful big boast from someone who sails a Hunter. If your piece of flexible oil canning oversize Macgregor 26X ever hit my boat... you would shatter and sink without leaving a dent on my steel toerails. The only way that piece of **** could even approach my fine vessel would be on a bearing down course... cause it sails like it's got an anchor strapped to it's scoop transom. Plastic crap of a boat that Hunter. I'd kick you ass in a race anytime bucky! How many times do I have to post this picture? All those blue flags are for winning races, dumbass. You couldn't even get across the starting line. Hero@Horvath I don't spend my money on food. I spend most of my money on women, porn, booze, and recreation. The rest of it I just waste. |
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Horvath is the fat guy with the tits..... and I win TROPHIES.... not
Flags... which are issued to the kids. Cripes sakes most races give Flags away with the enrollment fee!!! Overproof would kill whatever Hunter you threw at it in a par sec. You sail a globally known POS! CM "Horvath" wrote in message ... |
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All those flags are what you pull out of your ass... along
with your boyfriends I guess. It must get crowded. "Horvath" wrote in message ... On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:19:46 -0300, "Capt. Mooron" wrote this crap: "Horvath" wrote in message | You do that to me, and you'll be picking lead out of your ass. Us | racers are very competative. Horvath... that's an awful big boast from someone who sails a Hunter. If your piece of flexible oil canning oversize Macgregor 26X ever hit my boat... you would shatter and sink without leaving a dent on my steel toerails. The only way that piece of **** could even approach my fine vessel would be on a bearing down course... cause it sails like it's got an anchor strapped to it's scoop transom. Plastic crap of a boat that Hunter. I'd kick you ass in a race anytime bucky! How many times do I have to post this picture? All those blue flags are for winning races, dumbass. You couldn't even get across the starting line. Hero@Horvath I don't spend my money on food. I spend most of my money on women, porn, booze, and recreation. The rest of it I just waste. |
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The Captains Nemesis wrote in message ... On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 08:54:01 -0300, "Capt. Mooron" wrote: The Captains Nemesis wrote in message | Oh Goody, a troll!! ;-D.... things were getting dull! Yeah, Donal didn't even nibble on my new car. Why would I? Do you think that I don't have cars, too? Woulda reversed over him!! Wouldn't you just? You rich *******s are sooooo arrogant, that you really believe that you are brighter than us ordinary mortals! Regards Donal -- |
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"katysails" wrote in message ...
I could not beleive they set up the course so close to the channel. On both Muskegon and White Lake up here they set up the courses across the channel on purpose to get the gain from the wind siphoning in or out of the channel...it's very deliberate.... I do not have a problem with anyone racing in or across the channel. What I do have a problem with is racers thinking they have the right to control the channel, If they are going to race in a channel they have to expect to share it and not to expect anyone to give way or cow taw to them. They can do as they please, but so will I. Joe MSV RedCloud |
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The Captains Nemesis wrote in message ... On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 01:04:47 +0100, "Donal" wrote: Still....Courtesy....Seems that when racing boats approach, courtesy is that the non racing boats allow them free passage where possible. Why????? Because it's courteous to do so. Racing boats obviously feel that "courtesy" demands that ordinary sailors should give way. I do both cruising AND racing. When cruising, I've noticed that racers often don't offer their gratitude to a cruiser that doesn't give them "enough" exemption from the Coll Regs. Pommy Pricks! Still do you demand that every time you extend a courtesy to someone that they exhibit overwhelming gratitude? A couple of years ago, I was on a friend's power boat. We were travelling from Southampton to Portsmouth when we came upon a yacht race. The yachts were spread out across the full width of the Solent. As we carefully went through a gap, we were given a filthy look by the helmsman of the boat that we had passed *behind*! Sod it! These idiots think that "racing" gives them exclusive control of the water. It doesn't. Regards Donal -- |
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The Captains Nemesis wrote in message ... On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 23:35:52 +0100, "Donal" wrote: A couple of years ago, I was on a friend's power boat. We were travelling from Southampton to Portsmouth when we came upon a yacht race. The yachts were spread out across the full width of the Solent. As we carefully went through a gap, we were given a filthy look by the helmsman of the boat that we had passed *behind*! Sod it! These idiots think that "racing" gives them exclusive control of the water. It doesn't. Ahhh so you base your whole concept on one incident? No.... not at all. That was only ONE example. Maybe the helmsman was upset that you slowed and didn't give him a wake to ride ;-) No. He just didn't think that any other boats had the right to be on the water while he was racing. Oh and these idiots believe that a power boat should keep clear....What are the minimums in the UK? Some sailboats think that power boats should keep at least 1 mile away. Regards Donal -- |
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Perhaps he didn't like the look of Cementa?
Cheers MC Donal wrote: The Captains Nemesis wrote in message ... On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 01:04:47 +0100, "Donal" wrote: Still....Courtesy....Seems that when racing boats approach, courtesy is that the non racing boats allow them free passage where possible. Why????? Because it's courteous to do so. Racing boats obviously feel that "courtesy" demands that ordinary sailors should give way. I do both cruising AND racing. When cruising, I've noticed that racers often don't offer their gratitude to a cruiser that doesn't give them "enough" exemption from the Coll Regs. Pommy Pricks! Still do you demand that every time you extend a courtesy to someone that they exhibit overwhelming gratitude? A couple of years ago, I was on a friend's power boat. We were travelling from Southampton to Portsmouth when we came upon a yacht race. The yachts were spread out across the full width of the Solent. As we carefully went through a gap, we were given a filthy look by the helmsman of the boat that we had passed *behind*! Sod it! These idiots think that "racing" gives them exclusive control of the water. It doesn't. Regards Donal -- |
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"The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Perhaps he didn't like the look of Cementa? Cheers MC "a friend's power boat"........ Regards Donal -- Donal wrote: The Captains Nemesis wrote in message ... On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 01:04:47 +0100, "Donal" wrote: Still....Courtesy....Seems that when racing boats approach, courtesy is that the non racing boats allow them free passage where possible. Why????? Because it's courteous to do so. Racing boats obviously feel that "courtesy" demands that ordinary sailors should give way. I do both cruising AND racing. When cruising, I've noticed that racers often don't offer their gratitude to a cruiser that doesn't give them "enough" exemption from the Coll Regs. Pommy Pricks! Still do you demand that every time you extend a courtesy to someone that they exhibit overwhelming gratitude? A couple of years ago, I was on a friend's power boat. We were travelling from Southampton to Portsmouth when we came upon a yacht race. The yachts were spread out across the full width of the Solent. As we carefully went through a gap, we were given a filthy look by the helmsman of the boat that we had passed *behind*! Sod it! These idiots think that "racing" gives them exclusive control of the water. It doesn't. Regards Donal -- |
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Idiot's want speed.. get a powerboat
NH_/)_ "Donal" wrote in message ... The Captains Nemesis wrote in message ... On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 01:04:47 +0100, "Donal" wrote: Still....Courtesy....Seems that when racing boats approach, courtesy is that the non racing boats allow them free passage where possible. Why????? Because it's courteous to do so. Racing boats obviously feel that "courtesy" demands that ordinary sailors should give way. I do both cruising AND racing. When cruising, I've noticed that racers often don't offer their gratitude to a cruiser that doesn't give them "enough" exemption from the Coll Regs. Pommy Pricks! Still do you demand that every time you extend a courtesy to someone that they exhibit overwhelming gratitude? A couple of years ago, I was on a friend's power boat. We were travelling from Southampton to Portsmouth when we came upon a yacht race. The yachts were spread out across the full width of the Solent. As we carefully went through a gap, we were given a filthy look by the helmsman of the boat that we had passed *behind*! Sod it! These idiots think that "racing" gives them exclusive control of the water. It doesn't. Regards Donal -- |
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Idiots claim other people are idiots. .. get off the water
"NH_/)_" wrote in message ... Idiot's want speed.. get a powerboat NH_/)_ "Donal" wrote in message ... The Captains Nemesis wrote in message ... On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 01:04:47 +0100, "Donal" wrote: Still....Courtesy....Seems that when racing boats approach, courtesy is that the non racing boats allow them free passage where possible. Why????? Because it's courteous to do so. Racing boats obviously feel that "courtesy" demands that ordinary sailors should give way. I do both cruising AND racing. When cruising, I've noticed that racers often don't offer their gratitude to a cruiser that doesn't give them "enough" exemption from the Coll Regs. Pommy Pricks! Still do you demand that every time you extend a courtesy to someone that they exhibit overwhelming gratitude? A couple of years ago, I was on a friend's power boat. We were travelling from Southampton to Portsmouth when we came upon a yacht race. The yachts were spread out across the full width of the Solent. As we carefully went through a gap, we were given a filthy look by the helmsman of the boat that we had passed *behind*! Sod it! These idiots think that "racing" gives them exclusive control of the water. It doesn't. Regards Donal -- |
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Why then are you surpised! I'd give you a dirty look too!
Cheers MC Donal wrote: "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Perhaps he didn't like the look of Cementa? Cheers MC "a friend's power boat"........ Regards Donal -- Donal wrote: The Captains Nemesis wrote in message ... On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 01:04:47 +0100, "Donal" wrote: Still....Courtesy....Seems that when racing boats approach, courtesy is that the non racing boats allow them free passage where possible. Why????? Because it's courteous to do so. Racing boats obviously feel that "courtesy" demands that ordinary sailors should give way. I do both cruising AND racing. When cruising, I've noticed that racers often don't offer their gratitude to a cruiser that doesn't give them "enough" exemption from the Coll Regs. Pommy Pricks! Still do you demand that every time you extend a courtesy to someone that they exhibit overwhelming gratitude? A couple of years ago, I was on a friend's power boat. We were travelling from Southampton to Portsmouth when we came upon a yacht race. The yachts were spread out across the full width of the Solent. As we carefully went through a gap, we were given a filthy look by the helmsman of the boat that we had passed *behind*! Sod it! These idiots think that "racing" gives them exclusive control of the water. It doesn't. Regards Donal -- |
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"The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Why then are you surpised! I'd give you a dirty look too! Why? Regards Donal -- |
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"NH_/)_" wrote in message ... Idiot's want speed.. get a powerboat Have you ever sailed a fast dinghy? Regards Donal -- |
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Passing close by in a power boat and upsetting the rumbos!
Cheers MC Donal wrote: "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Why then are you surpised! I'd give you a dirty look too! Why? Regards Donal -- |
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"The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Passing close by in a power boat and upsetting the rumbos! What would you suggest that we should have done in the circumstances? Regards Donal -- |
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Have you ever sailed a fast dinghy?
Donal, She's never sailed...she's a motorboater wannabe.... --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Stay in the dock like most others?
Cheers MC Donal wrote: "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Passing close by in a power boat and upsetting the rumbos! What would you suggest that we should have done in the circumstances? Regards Donal -- |
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