Take THAT you friggin' liberals
 

MC,

Those ships were the "LEND LEASE" program. They carried American food,
and war supplies both.

I do't know what the % was. Each convoy was made up differently. A very
large % was fuel and a very large % was Food stuffs and this was long
before 12/7/4.

OT

Take THAT you friggin' liberals
 

OK.

5 cents!

Cheers MC

katysails wrote:


I am now Empress, a much better place to be and you must do my bidding.

PQ convoys
 

from:http://www.armed-guard.com/ag79.html

"As long as men write about the dangers of the seas and the heroic
deeds of those who take their ship into battle against long odds,
they will tell tales of the "Murmansk Run" in World War II, when
merchant ships steamed into the stormy Arctic with supplies for the
Russian front. It was then that the new Libertys went into battle
for the first time and, along with their older companions, faced a
relentless enemy as they fought through to the Barents Sea and the
White Sea to reach the distant Russian supply ports of Archangel and
Murmansk."

"The understandable British reluctance to accept the heavy losses to
merchantmen and escorts on this run, and the continued Russian and
American insistence that the convoys should move regardless of
losses, was a matter of contention that created bitter feelings and
suspicions despite the polite wording of official communiques.

The British viewpoint was expressed by Captain S. W. Roskill, R.N.,
who wrote in War at Sea that "the Russians never relieved the Home
Fleet of any appreciable share of responsibility for defending the
Arctic convoys." Neither, for that matter, did the United States,
where ardent protestations of the need to sail the ships was not
accompanied by any offer of escort craft to help see them through.
Indeed, the U. S. Navy was so woefully short of escorts and trained
personnel that it couldn't even protect Allied ships along the
Atlantic seaboard.

Forty convoys, with a total of more than 800 ships, including 350
under the U. S. flag, started on the Murmansk run from 1941 through
1945. Ninety-seven of those ships were sunk by bombs, torpedoes,
mines, and the fury of the elements. Were the Murmansk convoys
instrumental in keeping Russia in the war? They carried more than
22,000 aircraft, 375,000 trucks, 8,700 tractors, 51,500 jeeps, 1,900
locomotives, 343,700 tons of explosives, a million miles of field-
telephone cable, plus millions of shoes, rifles, machine guns, auto
tires, radio sets, and other equipment."

Thom Stewart wrote:

MC,

Those ships were the "LEND LEASE" program. They carried American food,
and war supplies both.

I do't know what the % was. Each convoy was made up differently. A very
large % was fuel and a very large % was Food stuffs and this was long
before 12/7/4.

OT

Take THAT you friggin' liberals
 

Hey Empress,

The Queen as spoken!

PQ convoys
 

My Father-in-law (who I'm visiting now) beat the odds by surviving both PQ17
(4 ships returned out of 36) and PQ18/QP18 (where roughly half survived).
In PQ17 his ship, the Exford, hid in an ice field after the convoy was
ordered dispersed. The bow was crushed by an iceberg, but they managed to
bring the ship back to Iceland for repairs.

At the end of the war, he has on board the tanker Oklahoma when it was
topedoed - they spend 17 days in a liferaft, sailing about 1000 miles to
Curacao.

-jeff

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
from:http://www.armed-guard.com/ag79.html

"As long as men write about the dangers of the seas and the heroic
deeds of those who take their ship into battle against long odds,
they will tell tales of the "Murmansk Run" in World War II, when
merchant ships steamed into the stormy Arctic with supplies for the
Russian front. It was then that the new Libertys went into battle
for the first time and, along with their older companions, faced a
relentless enemy as they fought through to the Barents Sea and the
White Sea to reach the distant Russian supply ports of Archangel and
Murmansk."

"The understandable British reluctance to accept the heavy losses to
merchantmen and escorts on this run, and the continued Russian and
American insistence that the convoys should move regardless of
losses, was a matter of contention that created bitter feelings and
suspicions despite the polite wording of official communiques.

The British viewpoint was expressed by Captain S. W. Roskill, R.N.,
who wrote in War at Sea that "the Russians never relieved the Home
Fleet of any appreciable share of responsibility for defending the
Arctic convoys." Neither, for that matter, did the United States,
where ardent protestations of the need to sail the ships was not
accompanied by any offer of escort craft to help see them through.
Indeed, the U. S. Navy was so woefully short of escorts and trained
personnel that it couldn't even protect Allied ships along the
Atlantic seaboard.

Forty convoys, with a total of more than 800 ships, including 350
under the U. S. flag, started on the Murmansk run from 1941 through
1945. Ninety-seven of those ships were sunk by bombs, torpedoes,
mines, and the fury of the elements. Were the Murmansk convoys
instrumental in keeping Russia in the war? They carried more than
22,000 aircraft, 375,000 trucks, 8,700 tractors, 51,500 jeeps, 1,900
locomotives, 343,700 tons of explosives, a million miles of field-
telephone cable, plus millions of shoes, rifles, machine guns, auto
tires, radio sets, and other equipment."

Thom Stewart wrote:

MC,

Those ships were the "LEND LEASE" program. They carried American food,
and war supplies both.

I do't know what the % was. Each convoy was made up differently. A very
large % was fuel and a very large % was Food stuffs and this was long
before 12/7/4.

OT

Take THAT you friggin' liberals
 

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Sure Donal,

Peace in our time was said just after Adofl went into Austria and before
England went to War.

U.S. went to war 12/7/41

Now,Donal, Maybe you would like to give the group a list of the Battles
that the Brits won in that time?

The Battle of Britian comes to mind. If the British had lost, then the
outcome of the American war with Japan could have turned out very
differently.




Your refernce was a Joke? At whose expense?

The Californian electorate.


Regards

Donal
--

PQ convoys
 

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 12:52:42 +0000, Jeff Morris wrote:

My Father-in-law (who I'm visiting now) beat the odds by surviving both
PQ17 (4 ships returned out of 36) and PQ18/QP18 (where roughly half
survived). In PQ17 his ship, the Exford, hid in an ice field after the
convoy was ordered dispersed. The bow was crushed by an iceberg, but they
managed to bring the ship back to Iceland for repairs.

At the end of the war, he has on board the tanker Oklahoma when it was
topedoed - they spend 17 days in a liferaft, sailing about 1000 miles to
Curacao.

-jeff

I never really realized how dangerous the merchant marine was during WWII
until I read that merchant mariners suffered a higher percentage of deaths
than any of the other US services. They provided a truly heroic service.

Take THAT you friggin' liberals
 

Donal,

The "Battle of Britain" was a very glorious defence battle! England took
one hell of a beating and kept on Ticking but it was a defensive action.
El Al in North Africa was also a great defensive victory. I had in mind
offensive actions against the Axis powers by the British from the time
of "Peace in our Time" until 12/7/41.

You must remember that England and France declared war on Germany. That
was when Poland was invaded and went on the defense until the USA
invaded Casablanca.

Now, Donal, I've just responded to comments about the election of an
Austrian being elected Gov. of Calif. and the comment by a American
Baiter's comparison to Adolf. I just wanted to remind him of his own
history of the Hitler years. It seems that the baiters don't like to be
reminded of their own history in the same kind of comments they make

I, myself, think Arnold just might be the right man at the right time
for Calif.

I'm not a Californian but what better a Legal immigrant to set rules
for a State overloaded with illegals. What better a Conservative to make
the owners of those Corp Farms that hire the illegals then turn them
over to the State Welfare System to straighten out the abuse;

But whom the hell am I?

I'm an American who believe we won the war for the Europeans, won the
war in the Pacific for the people that were colonies of the European
Countries that were deserted by their homelands, an American taxpayer
who helped refianced the world thru the Marshall plan and Truman
Doctrine, a follower GWB, who didn't vote for him but is my President (
Just for another year, I hope!)

AND; "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!" and get off this damned soap box!!

Ole Thom

Take THAT you friggin' liberals
 

What would the US have built without being given the design of the
supercharged merlin engine? What about radar? Makes one wonder...

Cheers MC

Donal wrote:

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...

Sure Donal,

Peace in our time was said just after Adofl went into Austria and before
England went to War.

U.S. went to war 12/7/41

Now,Donal, Maybe you would like to give the group a list of the Battles
that the Brits won in that time?


The Battle of Britian comes to mind. If the British had lost, then the
outcome of the American war with Japan could have turned out very
differently.




Your refernce was a Joke? At whose expense?


The Californian electorate.


Regards

Donal
--

Take THAT you friggin' liberals
 

Let's not forget sonar...

Cheers MC

The_navigator© wrote:

What would the US have built without being given the design of the
supercharged merlin engine? What about radar? Makes one wonder...

Cheers MC

Donal wrote:

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...

Sure Donal,

Peace in our time was said just after Adofl went into Austria and before
England went to War.

U.S. went to war 12/7/41

Now,Donal, Maybe you would like to give the group a list of the Battles
that the Brits won in that time?



The Battle of Britian comes to mind. If the British had lost, then the
outcome of the American war with Japan could have turned out very
differently.




Your refernce was a Joke? At whose expense?



The Californian electorate.


Regards

Donal
--

Take THAT you friggin' liberals
 

Why do you assume that radar would not have existed without the Brits help? Its true that
significant improvements where made in England, especially to the cavity magnetron (itself
an American invention), but this was a technology rapidly advancing in a number of sites.
In the US, the Radiation Laboratory (or RadLab) at MIT was funded at the same level as the
Manhattan Project, and surely would have duplicated most of the British work in a matter
of months. Given the significance of the work, of course, that several months was rather
important.





"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
What would the US have built without being given the design of the
supercharged merlin engine? What about radar? Makes one wonder...

Cheers MC

Donal wrote:

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...

Sure Donal,

Peace in our time was said just after Adofl went into Austria and before
England went to War.

U.S. went to war 12/7/41

Now,Donal, Maybe you would like to give the group a list of the Battles
that the Brits won in that time?


The Battle of Britian comes to mind. If the British had lost, then the
outcome of the American war with Japan could have turned out very
differently.




Your refernce was a Joke? At whose expense?


The Californian electorate.


Regards

Donal
--

Take THAT you friggin' liberals
 

Hey Empress,

The Queen as spoken!

Empresses have much more authority than Queen's...royal or the other =
type....
--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Take THAT you friggin' liberals
 

That's funny I though thge cavity magentron was invented by the British
and smuggled to the US in a sock. Come to think of it, the British
seemed to like that ploy as they also used it to smuggle penicillin to
the US as well!

Cheers MC

Jeff Morris wrote:

Why do you assume that radar would not have existed without the Brits help? Its true that
significant improvements where made in England, especially to the cavity magnetron (itself
an American invention), but this was a technology rapidly advancing in a number of sites.
In the US, the Radiation Laboratory (or RadLab) at MIT was funded at the same level as the
Manhattan Project, and surely would have duplicated most of the British work in a matter
of months. Given the significance of the work, of course, that several months was rather
important.





"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...

What would the US have built without being given the design of the
supercharged merlin engine? What about radar? Makes one wonder...

Cheers MC

Donal wrote:


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...


Sure Donal,

Peace in our time was said just after Adofl went into Austria and before
England went to War.

U.S. went to war 12/7/41

Now,Donal, Maybe you would like to give the group a list of the Battles
that the Brits won in that time?


The Battle of Britian comes to mind. If the British had lost, then the
outcome of the American war with Japan could have turned out very
differently.





Your refernce was a Joke? At whose expense?


The Californian electorate.


Regards

Donal
--

Take THAT you friggin' liberals
 

5 cents!

That's all you're worth? I would have thought at least 2.98...

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Take THAT you friggin' liberals
 

Sonar? What's your claim?



"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
Let's not forget sonar...

Cheers MC

The_navigator© wrote:

What would the US have built without being given the design of the
supercharged merlin engine? What about radar? Makes one wonder...

Cheers MC

Donal wrote:

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...

Sure Donal,

Peace in our time was said just after Adofl went into Austria and before
England went to War.

U.S. went to war 12/7/41

Now,Donal, Maybe you would like to give the group a list of the Battles
that the Brits won in that time?



The Battle of Britian comes to mind. If the British had lost, then the
outcome of the American war with Japan could have turned out very
differently.




Your refernce was a Joke? At whose expense?



The Californian electorate.


Regards

Donal
--

Take THAT you friggin' liberals
 

ASDIC?

Cheers MC

Jeff Morris wrote:

Sonar? What's your claim?



"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...

Let's not forget sonar...

Cheers MC

The_navigator© wrote:


What would the US have built without being given the design of the
supercharged merlin engine? What about radar? Makes one wonder...

Cheers MC

Donal wrote:


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...


Sure Donal,

Peace in our time was said just after Adofl went into Austria and before
England went to War.

U.S. went to war 12/7/41

Now,Donal, Maybe you would like to give the group a list of the Battles
that the Brits won in that time?



The Battle of Britian comes to mind. If the British had lost, then the
outcome of the American war with Japan could have turned out very
differently.





Your refernce was a Joke? At whose expense?



The Californian electorate.


Regards

Donal
--

Take THAT you friggin' liberals
 

How about:

ASDIC 1916-1921 (1921 British sucessfully detect silent sub on bottom.

US navy underwater sound group develop their version effective below 6
knots: SONAR in 1931 (10 years later).

Cheers MC

Jeff Morris wrote:

Sonar? What's your claim?



"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...

Let's not forget sonar...

Cheers MC

The_navigator© wrote:


What would the US have built without being given the design of the
supercharged merlin engine? What about radar? Makes one wonder...

Cheers MC

Donal wrote:


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...


Sure Donal,

Peace in our time was said just after Adofl went into Austria and before
England went to War.

U.S. went to war 12/7/41

Now,Donal, Maybe you would like to give the group a list of the Battles
that the Brits won in that time?



The Battle of Britian comes to mind. If the British had lost, then the
outcome of the American war with Japan could have turned out very
differently.





Your refernce was a Joke? At whose expense?



The Californian electorate.


Regards

Donal
--

Take THAT you friggin' liberals
 

I doing YOUR bidding as requested your Highness.

katysails wrote:

5 cents!

That's all you're worth? I would have thought at least 2.98...

Take THAT you friggin' liberals
 

And what about RDF?

Cheers MC

The_navigator© wrote:

Let's not forget sonar...

Cheers MC

The_navigator© wrote:

What would the US have built without being given the design of the
supercharged merlin engine? What about radar? Makes one wonder...

Cheers MC

Donal wrote:

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...

Sure Donal,

Peace in our time was said just after Adofl went into Austria and
before
England went to War.

U.S. went to war 12/7/41

Now,Donal, Maybe you would like to give the group a list of the Battles
that the Brits won in that time?




The Battle of Britian comes to mind. If the British had lost, then the
outcome of the American war with Japan could have turned out very
differently.




Your refernce was a Joke? At whose expense?




The Californian electorate.


Regards

Donal
--

Take THAT you friggin' liberals
 

The Cavity Magnetron was invented by A W Hull and General Electric in 1921. A number of
others, including Germans, contributed enhancements over the years. The British version
had greatly increased power and was the first practical for use in airplanes. It was
certainly a major step forward, but not the "invention of radar" as many would have it.

The discovery of penicillin was probably a more unique discovery.



"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
That's funny I though thge cavity magentron was invented by the British
and smuggled to the US in a sock. Come to think of it, the British
seemed to like that ploy as they also used it to smuggle penicillin to
the US as well!

Cheers MC

Jeff Morris wrote:

Why do you assume that radar would not have existed without the Brits help? Its true
that
significant improvements where made in England, especially to the cavity magnetron
(itself
an American invention), but this was a technology rapidly advancing in a number of
sites.
In the US, the Radiation Laboratory (or RadLab) at MIT was funded at the same level as
the
Manhattan Project, and surely would have duplicated most of the British work in a
matter
of months. Given the significance of the work, of course, that several months was
rather
important.





"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...

What would the US have built without being given the design of the
supercharged merlin engine? What about radar? Makes one wonder...

Cheers MC

Donal wrote:


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...


Sure Donal,

Peace in our time was said just after Adofl went into Austria and before
England went to War.

U.S. went to war 12/7/41

Now,Donal, Maybe you would like to give the group a list of the Battles
that the Brits won in that time?


The Battle of Britian comes to mind. If the British had lost, then the
outcome of the American war with Japan could have turned out very
differently.





Your refernce was a Joke? At whose expense?


The Californian electorate.


Regards

Donal
--

Take THAT you friggin' liberals
 

I'm talking about a "Male Queen"

Take THAT you friggin' liberals
 

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
What would the US have built without being given the design of the
supercharged merlin engine? What about radar? Makes one wonder...


Hollywood would have eventually set the record straight.

I saw a film recently where the "allied" pilots in the Battle of Britian
were mainly American!!

Last year the Enigma machine was captured by Americans!!


It's odd, but Hollywood says that the films won't attract American audiences
if the truth isn't twisted. Every victory, every invention and every bit
of good has to be the result of American action - or it won't go down well
with the patriotic audience.




Regards


Donal
--

Take THAT you friggin' liberals
 

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Donal,

The "Battle of Britain" was a very glorious defence battle! England took
one hell of a beating and kept on Ticking but it was a defensive action.

What's the difference between a defensive and an offensive battle?

England didn't take one hell of a beating, they defeated the Germans in the
battle for air supremacy.





El Al in North Africa was also a great defensive victory. I had in mind
offensive actions against the Axis powers by the British from the time
of "Peace in our Time" until 12/7/41.

You must remember that England and France declared war on Germany. That
was when Poland was invaded and went on the defense until the USA
invaded Casablanca.

Now, Donal, I've just responded to comments about the election of an
Austrian being elected Gov. of Calif. and the comment by a American
Baiter's comparison to Adolf. I just wanted to remind him of his own
history of the Hitler years.

Are you suggesting that there was something for the British to be ashamed
of?


It seems that the baiters don't like to be
reminded of their own history in the same kind of comments they make





I, myself, think Arnold just might be the right man at the right time
for Calif.


The political cartoonists are having a field day all over the world


I'm an American who believe we won the war for the Europeans,

So you think that the Russians didn't need to bother losing 10 (or was it
20?) million soldiers in their battles against Hitler??


won the
war in the Pacific for the people that were colonies of the European
Countries that were deserted by their homelands, an American taxpayer
who helped refianced the world thru the Marshall plan and Truman
Doctrine, a follower GWB, who didn't vote for him but is my President (
Just for another year, I hope!)

Do you still believe that GWB told the truth, the whole truth, and nothing
but the truth about Iraq?



Regards


Donal
--

Take THAT you friggin' liberals
 

Hey You Limiest and Kiwis.

This discussion started with The Gov. Elect of Calif. and the mentality
of the Electorate that picked him, with a comparison to Adolf. My reply
was to remind The comparers of their own mentality by reminding them of
Peace in our time comment and all the help they accepted from the dumb
Yanks.

I also asked for a list of victories the Brit had over the Axis before
"Pearl Harbor" I was given one Defensive Victory, when I was thinking
offensive victories .
I'm still waiting to be remind of ONE SINGLE offensive victory from the
time England declared war on Germany and the time of Pearl Harbor
(12/7/41)

Know what? I'm still waiting.

The British had the Merlin Engine during that time. They had radar
during that time also (used very successfully in the DEFENSE of Britain)
As I said I'm still waiting to hear about a battle that was started by
the British against Germany that gained back any territory from the Axis
powers before Dec, 7th, 1941.

So, what I content, that before you give the Ha Ha to anyone else about
their mentality it would do well to examine your own

You failed with your Austrian with a name starting with an A. I'm
reminding you that we had to take care of it FOR YOU. We'll take care
of Arnie. We have the Smarts-----You DIDN'T

AND "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"

Your "A" pushed you out of Europe with his smarts. The Yanks SMART got
you back. I do believe there is a real need for youse guys to WISE UP
G

Ole Thom

Take THAT you friggin' liberals
 

MC,

You're right the British got Penigillin into this country in a sock. It
wasn't smuggled. Penicillin is grown in mold, they just didn't change
their socks :^)

OT

Take THAT you friggin' liberals
 

Know what, Donal,

He was handed that lie from British Intelligence (?)

No. I never believed he would go to war. He was winning just about
everything he wanted by influence in the Security Council

Take THAT you friggin' liberals
 

I guess you must be right. No wait, what happened in Africa and the
middle east?

Cheers MC

Thom Stewart wrote:

Hey You Limiest and Kiwis.

This discussion started with The Gov. Elect of Calif. and the mentality
of the Electorate that picked him, with a comparison to Adolf. My reply
was to remind The comparers of their own mentality by reminding them of
Peace in our time comment and all the help they accepted from the dumb
Yanks.

I also asked for a list of victories the Brit had over the Axis before
"Pearl Harbor" I was given one Defensive Victory, when I was thinking
offensive victories .
I'm still waiting to be remind of ONE SINGLE offensive victory from the
time England declared war on Germany and the time of Pearl Harbor
(12/7/41)

Know what? I'm still waiting.

The British had the Merlin Engine during that time. They had radar
during that time also (used very successfully in the DEFENSE of Britain)
As I said I'm still waiting to hear about a battle that was started by
the British against Germany that gained back any territory from the Axis
powers before Dec, 7th, 1941.

So, what I content, that before you give the Ha Ha to anyone else about
their mentality it would do well to examine your own

You failed with your Austrian with a name starting with an A. I'm
reminding you that we had to take care of it FOR YOU. We'll take care
of Arnie. We have the Smarts-----You DIDN'T

AND "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"

Your "A" pushed you out of Europe with his smarts. The Yanks SMART got
you back. I do believe there is a real need for youse guys to WISE UP
G

Ole Thom

Take THAT you friggin' liberals
 

Errrr. Close, it was a jacket.

Cheers MC

Thom Stewart wrote:

MC,

You're right the British got Penigillin into this country in a sock. It
wasn't smuggled. Penicillin is grown in mold, they just didn't change
their socks :^)

OT

Take THAT you friggin' liberals
 

Do naval engagements count?

Cheers MC

Thom Stewart wrote:

Hey You Limiest and Kiwis.

This discussion started with The Gov. Elect of Calif. and the mentality
of the Electorate that picked him, with a comparison to Adolf. My reply
was to remind The comparers of their own mentality by reminding them of
Peace in our time comment and all the help they accepted from the dumb
Yanks.

I also asked for a list of victories the Brit had over the Axis before
"Pearl Harbor" I was given one Defensive Victory, when I was thinking
offensive victories .
I'm still waiting to be remind of ONE SINGLE offensive victory from the
time England declared war on Germany and the time of Pearl Harbor
(12/7/41)

Know what? I'm still waiting.

The British had the Merlin Engine during that time. They had radar
during that time also (used very successfully in the DEFENSE of Britain)
As I said I'm still waiting to hear about a battle that was started by
the British against Germany that gained back any territory from the Axis
powers before Dec, 7th, 1941.

So, what I content, that before you give the Ha Ha to anyone else about
their mentality it would do well to examine your own

You failed with your Austrian with a name starting with an A. I'm
reminding you that we had to take care of it FOR YOU. We'll take care
of Arnie. We have the Smarts-----You DIDN'T

AND "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"

Your "A" pushed you out of Europe with his smarts. The Yanks SMART got
you back. I do believe there is a real need for youse guys to WISE UP
G

Ole Thom

Take THAT you friggin' liberals
 

I'm not talking about Russia. They were fighters. They were also SMART
enough to move their production capacity out of range of the German
Bomberrs.

Even Stalin told Churchill that the "Germans can be beat, all you have
to do is fight them."

OT
P/S Only a Limey would ask the difference between a Defensive Battle and
a Offensive Battle!!!

Take THAT you friggin' liberals
 

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
I also asked for a list of victories the Brit had over the Axis before
"Pearl Harbor" I was given one Defensive Victory, when I was thinking
offensive victories .
I'm still waiting to be remind of ONE SINGLE offensive victory from the
time England declared war on Germany and the time of Pearl Harbor
(12/7/41)

I don't know very much about the war in the Pacific, but, how long after
Pearl Harbour was it before America had a victory against the Japanese?


Know what? I'm still waiting.

The British had the Merlin Engine during that time. They had radar
during that time also (used very successfully in the DEFENSE of Britain)
As I said I'm still waiting to hear about a battle that was started by
the British against Germany that gained back any territory from the Axis
powers before Dec, 7th, 1941.

Why? Britian wasn't ready to start an offensive war. Britian had
de-militarised during the thirties, and started the war with antiquated, and
poorly maintained equipment.





So, what I content, that before you give the Ha Ha to anyone else about
their mentality it would do well to examine your own

You failed with your Austrian with a name starting with an A. I'm
reminding you that we had to take care of it FOR YOU. We'll take care
of Arnie. We have the Smarts-----You DIDN'T

That sounds just a little bit like gloating. The reality is that you have
a vast country with huge natural resources. If you have the Smarts, then
why is GWB your leader?



AND "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"

Your "A" pushed you out of Europe with his smarts. The Yanks SMART got
you back. I do believe there is a real need for youse guys to WISE UP
G

The current Yank approach is anything but Smart. Bush is bombing the wrong
targets, for the wrong reasons. He is creating more terrorism.

Afghanistan is a mess, once again a major exporter of heroin, and women are
not really any better off than they were under the Taliban.


Iraq is a mess, and Bush is now begging for international help.



Regards


Donal
--




Ole Thom

Take THAT you friggin' liberals
 

Donal,

"Are you suggesting that there was something for the British to be
ashamed of?"

What in the world would make you ask a question like that?

OT

Take THAT you friggin' liberals
 

Donal,

The battle of Britain was more than a victory of Air power. It stopped
the German operation " Sea Lion" from ever getting started.

OT

Take THAT you friggin' liberals
 

I'm talking about a "Male Queen"

That's what I was referring to by "other type" donchaknow...
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and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Take THAT you friggin' liberals
 

I doing YOUR bidding as requested your Highness.

So are we buying something interesting?

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"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Take THAT you friggin' liberals
 

The cartoonist are having a field day----So what's new?

They had a field day with Churchill, FDR, Hitler, Margret T, Gen
Montgomery, Eisenhower, Ragen, Jimmy Carter DeGaulle----Who the Hell
haven't they had a field day with?

OT

Take THAT you friggin' liberals
 

On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:28:30 +1300, The_navigator©
wrote this crap:

What would the US have built without being given the design of the
supercharged merlin engine?

The jet engine. (And don't bother telling me about Frank Whittle. He
wrote his papers about it long before the war, and the Americans were
already working on it. Besides, the Germans were already working on
it.)

What about radar?

The atomic bomb.


Hero@Horvath

I don't spend my money on food. I spend most of my money
on women, porn, booze, and recreation. The rest of it I just waste.

Take THAT you friggin' liberals
 

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:12:13 +0100, "Donal"
wrote this crap:


The Battle of Britian comes to mind. If the British had lost, then the
outcome of the American war with Japan could have turned out very
differently.

Why? Would we have had to destroy more cities with atomic weapons?



Hero@Horvath

I don't spend my money on food. I spend most of my money
on women, porn, booze, and recreation. The rest of it I just waste.

Take THAT you friggin' liberals
 

Ouch!

Cheers MC

Donal wrote:



That sounds just a little bit like gloating. The reality is that you have
a vast country with huge natural resources. If you have the Smarts, then
why is GWB your leader?

Take THAT you friggin' liberals
 

We?

Cheers MC

katysails wrote:

I doing YOUR bidding as requested your Highness.

So are we buying something interesting?