Bull****. Sometimes that's the most humane option.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
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BULL****! One does not kill any creature one loves.


"The_navigator©" wrote in message
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There you go shooting off your mouth. You have no idea what was
happening to her -apart from the fact that she was going blind. FYI this
was a 5 month old kitten -and a major factor in both the disease process
and it's outcome. For an older cat, blindness would not be a major
problem. This decision was not taken lightly and was taken with expert
vetenary advice. Believe me, we loved her lots.

MC

Simple Simon wrote:

What an asshole! Do they kill people who go blind.

A cat has other senses than their eyes. You should have
allowed her to live in the house where she would know
her whereabouts by sound and smell. Instead you
killed her and deprived her of many years of happiness.

Do you know that time spent dreaming is just as real
to a cat as time awake in the real world with eyes open?
Did you not realize that your cat would not be blind in her
dreams?

After all, a blind cat doesn't even realize she is blind. It's
not like that at all for a cat. The only thing she would have
known is it got really dark during her waking hours and
the sun doesn't seem to come out anymore. She'd have coped.
She'd have spent more time sleeping and dreaming. You'd
only have had to change your life just a little to assist her in
living safely.

Instead you wimped out of your obligations and killed
her. You're despicable. Who gave you the right to play
God?

S.Simon - actually loves his cat and would never kill
him simply because he went blind.


"The_navigator©" wrote in message
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My lovely Minxy is gone and I miss her. Her brother has cried for her
for days but now, but even he has had to accept that she will never
answer.

On reflection I suppose it might have happened in another way: Her
love
of the outside combined with avoidence/refusal to wear a harness, a
dark
stormy night, wet decks and rogue seas. With no life jackjet on (the
jacket count would show that she was not wearing one) her survival
time
in cold water would not be long. It is likely that a jacket would
merely
delay the inevitable. In the dark she would not be easily seen -even
from the air.

But back to hard reality, her rapid loss of sight left me with but one
hard decision -I could not bear to see her unable to play or move
freely
so I chose a warm quiet end for her -rather that than the cruel unseen
wheels of a car or cold, smothering embrace of the sea.

MC

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Bull****. Sometimes that's the most humane option.

What does "humane" mean in this context?


--
Wally
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Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

For me, the most humane option when one sees a loved one
suffering is to try and end the suffering of that person or other
being. I can't speak to whether or not this particular blind (or
otherwise afflicted) cat was suffering, but I can speak to not
wanting a loved one to suffer and seeking to end that suffering,
especially when that loved one can no longer do anything but
beg to have an end to it.

"Characterized by kindness, mercy, or compassion: a humane judge."

"Wally" wrote in message
news
Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Bull****. Sometimes that's the most humane option.

What does "humane" mean in this context?


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

Jonathan Ganz wrote:
For me, the most humane option when one sees a loved one
suffering is to try and end the suffering of that person or other
being. I can't speak to whether or not this particular blind (or
otherwise afflicted) cat was suffering, but I can speak to not
wanting a loved one to suffer and seeking to end that suffering,
especially when that loved one can no longer do anything but
beg to have an end to it.

If the loved one hasn't expressed a wish to be euthanised, is it still
humane?


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

Good question. I'll answer that with another one... what about
the situation where, as you say, the person hasn't specifically
expressed a wish to be euthanised, but is in obvious agony
and can not speak, and of course, there is no reasonable
outlook for recovery or improvement? Moreover, what if
that "person" is an animal that can't express its thoughts, but
is just as obviously in pain most or all of the time?

I am not an advocate of euthanasia per se. I am an advocate
of treating people with respect, especially if they voice their
wishes.

"Wally" wrote in message
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Jonathan Ganz wrote:
For me, the most humane option when one sees a loved one
suffering is to try and end the suffering of that person or other
being. I can't speak to whether or not this particular blind (or
otherwise afflicted) cat was suffering, but I can speak to not
wanting a loved one to suffer and seeking to end that suffering,
especially when that loved one can no longer do anything but
beg to have an end to it.

If the loved one hasn't expressed a wish to be euthanised, is it still
humane?


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

That person would have to be in a coma to not be able to respond or
communicate.

CM

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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| Good question. I'll answer that with another one... what about
| the situation where, as you say, the person hasn't specifically
| expressed a wish to be euthanised, but is in obvious agony
| and can not speak, and of course, there is no reasonable
| outlook for recovery or improvement? Moreover, what if
| that "person" is an animal that can't express its thoughts, but
| is just as obviously in pain most or all of the time?
|
| I am not an advocate of euthanasia per se. I am an advocate
| of treating people with respect, especially if they voice their
| wishes.
|
| "Wally" wrote in message
| ...
| Jonathan Ganz wrote:
| For me, the most humane option when one sees a loved one
| suffering is to try and end the suffering of that person or other
| being. I can't speak to whether or not this particular blind (or
| otherwise afflicted) cat was suffering, but I can speak to not
| wanting a loved one to suffer and seeking to end that suffering,
| especially when that loved one can no longer do anything but
| beg to have an end to it.
|
| If the loved one hasn't expressed a wish to be euthanised, is it still
| humane?
|
|
| --
| Wally
| www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
| Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.
|
|
|
|
|

My nephew was in a coma for around 2 weeks, my brother and his wife had to
make a decision to pull the plug or not. The doctors encouraged them to
pull it. Guess they needed the bed. Anyways, there's always that nagging
little 'what if'' thought afterwards.

SV

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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That person would have to be in a coma to not be able to respond or
communicate.

CM

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
| Good question. I'll answer that with another one... what about
| the situation where, as you say, the person hasn't specifically
| expressed a wish to be euthanised, but is in obvious agony
| and can not speak, and of course, there is no reasonable
| outlook for recovery or improvement? Moreover, what if
| that "person" is an animal that can't express its thoughts, but
| is just as obviously in pain most or all of the time?
|
| I am not an advocate of euthanasia per se. I am an advocate
| of treating people with respect, especially if they voice their
| wishes.
|
| "Wally" wrote in message
| ...
| Jonathan Ganz wrote:
| For me, the most humane option when one sees a loved one
| suffering is to try and end the suffering of that person or other
| being. I can't speak to whether or not this particular blind (or
| otherwise afflicted) cat was suffering, but I can speak to not
| wanting a loved one to suffer and seeking to end that suffering,
| especially when that loved one can no longer do anything but
| beg to have an end to it.
|
| If the loved one hasn't expressed a wish to be euthanised, is it still
| humane?
|
|
| --
| Wally
| www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
| Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.
|
|
|
|
|

Actually, that's not necessarily true, as I can attest to from having a
close relative in the situation. He was in agony, was conscious, but
couldn't communicate.

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
That person would have to be in a coma to not be able to respond or
communicate.

CM

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
| Good question. I'll answer that with another one... what about
| the situation where, as you say, the person hasn't specifically
| expressed a wish to be euthanised, but is in obvious agony
| and can not speak, and of course, there is no reasonable
| outlook for recovery or improvement? Moreover, what if
| that "person" is an animal that can't express its thoughts, but
| is just as obviously in pain most or all of the time?
|
| I am not an advocate of euthanasia per se. I am an advocate
| of treating people with respect, especially if they voice their
| wishes.
|
| "Wally" wrote in message
| ...
| Jonathan Ganz wrote:
| For me, the most humane option when one sees a loved one
| suffering is to try and end the suffering of that person or other
| being. I can't speak to whether or not this particular blind (or
| otherwise afflicted) cat was suffering, but I can speak to not
| wanting a loved one to suffer and seeking to end that suffering,
| especially when that loved one can no longer do anything but
| beg to have an end to it.
|
| If the loved one hasn't expressed a wish to be euthanised, is it still
| humane?
|
|
| --
| Wally
| www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
| Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.
|
|
|
|
|

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Good question. I'll answer that with another one... what about
the situation where, as you say, the person hasn't specifically
expressed a wish to be euthanised, but is in obvious agony
and can not speak, and of course, there is no reasonable
outlook for recovery or improvement?

I have no wish to die at the hands of another, and I don't think I have the
right to make that decision for someone else who is unable to express a view
one way or the other. Pain is a 'now' concept and tomorrow is another day.


Moreover, what if
that "person" is an animal that can't express its thoughts, but
is just as obviously in pain most or all of the time?

We can't read their minds and we infer that they're in pain by observing
their behaviours. I sometimes wonder if people have a sick pet put down
because they can't face the prospect of watching it die a slow death.


I am not an advocate of euthanasia per se. I am an advocate
of treating people with respect, especially if they voice their
wishes.


It's my view that, to euthanise someone 'with respect', their wish that this
be done is a prerequisite.


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

Not from what I've seen. It's easy to say pain is a now concept.
It's another to either be in the now for weeks/months on end or
watch someone wither away who is.

"Wally" wrote in message
...
Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Good question. I'll answer that with another one... what about
the situation where, as you say, the person hasn't specifically
expressed a wish to be euthanised, but is in obvious agony
and can not speak, and of course, there is no reasonable
outlook for recovery or improvement?

I have no wish to die at the hands of another, and I don't think I have
the
right to make that decision for someone else who is unable to express a
view
one way or the other. Pain is a 'now' concept and tomorrow is another day.


Moreover, what if
that "person" is an animal that can't express its thoughts, but
is just as obviously in pain most or all of the time?

We can't read their minds and we infer that they're in pain by observing
their behaviours. I sometimes wonder if people have a sick pet put down
because they can't face the prospect of watching it die a slow death.


I am not an advocate of euthanasia per se. I am an advocate
of treating people with respect, especially if they voice their
wishes.


It's my view that, to euthanise someone 'with respect', their wish that
this
be done is a prerequisite.


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.