Hull form for the sound barrier!
 

Sidney Greenstreet wrote:

.... The BELL X-1, designed to go beyond the sound barrier!

The Coronado may be a fine boat but the X-1 was not shaped to go beyond
the sound barrier; nobody'd done it yet so nobody yet knew how a
supersonic plane should be shaped. They made it look like Buck Rogers
spacecraft. Notice that modern transonic planes look nothing like the
X-1.

Hull form for the sound barrier!
 

I thought it was shaped like a machine gun bullet (a M50?) since that was known to go
supersonic.


"Vito" wrote in message ...
Sidney Greenstreet wrote:

.... The BELL X-1, designed to go beyond the sound barrier!

The Coronado may be a fine boat but the X-1 was not shaped to go beyond
the sound barrier; nobody'd done it yet so nobody yet knew how a
supersonic plane should be shaped. They made it look like Buck Rogers
spacecraft. Notice that modern transonic planes look nothing like the
X-1.

Hull form for the sound barrier!
 

The_navigator© wrote in message ...
The X1 was designed in the UK!

Nav, Your an idiot, or a troll. You can not do a little thing like
search the internet to find the facts.

Larry Bell and his team at Skunk Works designed the X1.

He was not in the UK.

His famous quote is "Show me a man who cannot
bother to do little things, and I'll show you a man who cannot be
trusted to do big things."

Larry was first at all the following.

FIRST twin-engine escort fighter (Airacuda)

FIRST aircraft to mount 37mm cannon and flexible gun turrets
(Airacuda)

FIRST modern multi-place fighter, establishing a new type for the Army
Air Force (Airacuda)

FIRST american fighter airplane designed around its armament (P39
Airacobra)

FIRST use of tricycle landing gear on modern military aircraft (P39)

FIRST satisfactory .50 caliber machine gun shock dampener, which
became
standard for both Army and Navy

FIRST modern all-wood military fighter (XP77)

FIRST helicopter with automatic stabilizing control

FIRST jet-propelled fighter in the US (P-59 Airacomet)

FIRST commercial helicopter

FIRST supersonic airplane (X-1)

[DPM's note: there is some evidence to suggest that a Messerschmitt
ME-163 Komet (the rocket propelled plane) may actually have gone
supersonic
during one test flight, but there was no instrumented proof of it
so the X-1 and Chuck Yeager get the credit.....]

FIRST commercial helicopter with 200 HP engine and skid landing gear

FIRST airplane able to vary degree of wing sweepback during flight
(X5)

FIRST radio-guided bomb (Tarzon)

FIRST helicopter designed specifically for anti-submarine warfare
(HSL-1)

FIRST airplane able to fly at speeds 2.5 times the speed of sound and
at
altitudes of 90,000 feet (X1A)

FIRST turbine powered helicopter (XH-13F)

FIRST jet-propelled VTOL airplane

FIRST automatic carrier landing system

FIRST convertiplane incorporating tilting-rotor system (XV-3)

Joe
MSV RedCloud With nice fitting sails, not all wrinkley near the boom
like NAVs.




Cheers MC

Joe wrote:

"katysails" wrote in message ...

Someone please take his peyote away....




He speaks the truth Katy, After WW11 we imported all that German
talent. One of the main reasons we put man on the moon first. However
body of the X1/hull and wing designs are two different subject.

What Horvath is saying is that if Captn Neal wants to go supersonic
in his coranado he will have to re-design his sails to a more swept
back delta configration.

Joe
RedCloud

Hull form for the sound barrier!
 

At the time the British, who were world leaders in aeronautical design
were probaly well ahead of the US. They had a prototype X1 built. The
design was provided by the British goverment to the US as a
"collaborative" agreement with the US "for mutual benefit". Having given
the design to the US the US team then finished the work without
conveying the results of their tests. FYI, the US team were having
problems with flow separation at the control surfaces, a problem solved
by the British some years before with the fully moving tailplane. These
facts have only recently come to light with the declassification of
British documents. Perhaps you have not realized it but, as pointed out
by Jeremy Clarkson, Concorde was designed (and built) at a time when
even American fighters struggled to reach Mach 2 and when the height of
domestic technology was a twin tub washing machine.

Cheers MC

Joe wrote:

The_navigator© wrote in message ...

The X1 was designed in the UK!


Nav, Your an idiot, or a troll. You can not do a little thing like
search the internet to find the facts.

Larry Bell and his team at Skunk Works designed the X1.

He was not in the UK.

His famous quote is "Show me a man who cannot
bother to do little things, and I'll show you a man who cannot be
trusted to do big things."

Larry was first at all the following.

FIRST twin-engine escort fighter (Airacuda)

FIRST aircraft to mount 37mm cannon and flexible gun turrets
(Airacuda)

FIRST modern multi-place fighter, establishing a new type for the Army
Air Force (Airacuda)

FIRST american fighter airplane designed around its armament (P39
Airacobra)

FIRST use of tricycle landing gear on modern military aircraft (P39)

FIRST satisfactory .50 caliber machine gun shock dampener, which
became
standard for both Army and Navy

FIRST modern all-wood military fighter (XP77)

FIRST helicopter with automatic stabilizing control

FIRST jet-propelled fighter in the US (P-59 Airacomet)

FIRST commercial helicopter

FIRST supersonic airplane (X-1)

[DPM's note: there is some evidence to suggest that a Messerschmitt
ME-163 Komet (the rocket propelled plane) may actually have gone
supersonic
during one test flight, but there was no instrumented proof of it
so the X-1 and Chuck Yeager get the credit.....]

FIRST commercial helicopter with 200 HP engine and skid landing gear

FIRST airplane able to vary degree of wing sweepback during flight
(X5)

FIRST radio-guided bomb (Tarzon)

FIRST helicopter designed specifically for anti-submarine warfare
(HSL-1)

FIRST airplane able to fly at speeds 2.5 times the speed of sound and
at
altitudes of 90,000 feet (X1A)

FIRST turbine powered helicopter (XH-13F)

FIRST jet-propelled VTOL airplane

FIRST automatic carrier landing system

FIRST convertiplane incorporating tilting-rotor system (XV-3)

Joe
MSV RedCloud With nice fitting sails, not all wrinkley near the boom
like NAVs.




Cheers MC

Joe wrote:


"katysails" wrote in message ...


Someone please take his peyote away....




He speaks the truth Katy, After WW11 we imported all that German
talent. One of the main reasons we put man on the moon first. However
body of the X1/hull and wing designs are two different subject.

What Horvath is saying is that if Captn Neal wants to go supersonic
in his coranado he will have to re-design his sails to a more swept
back delta configration.

Joe
RedCloud

Hull form for the sound barrier!
 

How come no X-1 at the Science Museum then?

In fact, most of what they had there was captured German stuff or copies of
American rockets. The had their time in the limelight but rampant socialism
drove their best and brightest out.


"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
At the time the British, who were world leaders in aeronautical design
were probaly well ahead of the US. They had a prototype X1 built. The
design was provided by the British goverment to the US as a
"collaborative" agreement with the US "for mutual benefit". Having given
the design to the US the US team then finished the work without
conveying the results of their tests. FYI, the US team were having
problems with flow separation at the control surfaces, a problem solved
by the British some years before with the fully moving tailplane. These
facts have only recently come to light with the declassification of
British documents. Perhaps you have not realized it but, as pointed out
by Jeremy Clarkson, Concorde was designed (and built) at a time when
even American fighters struggled to reach Mach 2 and when the height of
domestic technology was a twin tub washing machine.

Cheers MC

Joe wrote:

The_navigator© wrote in message
...

The X1 was designed in the UK!


Nav, Your an idiot, or a troll. You can not do a little thing like
search the internet to find the facts.

Larry Bell and his team at Skunk Works designed the X1.

He was not in the UK.

His famous quote is "Show me a man who cannot
bother to do little things, and I'll show you a man who cannot be
trusted to do big things."

Larry was first at all the following.

FIRST twin-engine escort fighter (Airacuda)

FIRST aircraft to mount 37mm cannon and flexible gun turrets
(Airacuda)

FIRST modern multi-place fighter, establishing a new type for the Army
Air Force (Airacuda)

FIRST american fighter airplane designed around its armament (P39
Airacobra)

FIRST use of tricycle landing gear on modern military aircraft (P39)

FIRST satisfactory .50 caliber machine gun shock dampener, which
became
standard for both Army and Navy

FIRST modern all-wood military fighter (XP77)

FIRST helicopter with automatic stabilizing control

FIRST jet-propelled fighter in the US (P-59 Airacomet)

FIRST commercial helicopter

FIRST supersonic airplane (X-1)

[DPM's note: there is some evidence to suggest that a Messerschmitt
ME-163 Komet (the rocket propelled plane) may actually have gone
supersonic
during one test flight, but there was no instrumented proof of it
so the X-1 and Chuck Yeager get the credit.....]

FIRST commercial helicopter with 200 HP engine and skid landing gear

FIRST airplane able to vary degree of wing sweepback during flight
(X5)

FIRST radio-guided bomb (Tarzon)

FIRST helicopter designed specifically for anti-submarine warfare
(HSL-1)

FIRST airplane able to fly at speeds 2.5 times the speed of sound and
at
altitudes of 90,000 feet (X1A)

FIRST turbine powered helicopter (XH-13F)

FIRST jet-propelled VTOL airplane

FIRST automatic carrier landing system

FIRST convertiplane incorporating tilting-rotor system (XV-3)

Joe
MSV RedCloud With nice fitting sails, not all wrinkley near the boom
like NAVs.




Cheers MC

Joe wrote:


"katysails" wrote in message
...


Someone please take his peyote away....




He speaks the truth Katy, After WW11 we imported all that German
talent. One of the main reasons we put man on the moon first. However
body of the X1/hull and wing designs are two different subject.

What Horvath is saying is that if Captn Neal wants to go supersonic
in his coranado he will have to re-design his sails to a more swept
back delta configration.

Joe
RedCloud

Hull form for the sound barrier!
 

No one has gone transonic in a Coronado either.


"Vito" wrote in message
...
Sidney Greenstreet wrote:

.... The BELL X-1, designed to go beyond the sound barrier!

The Coronado may be a fine boat but the X-1 was not shaped to go beyond
the sound barrier; nobody'd done it yet so nobody yet knew how a
supersonic plane should be shaped. They made it look like Buck Rogers
spacecraft. Notice that modern transonic planes look nothing like the
X-1.

Hull form for the sound barrier!
 

Where's the "Science Museum"?

Glamorous Glennis hangs in Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum:

http://www.nasm.si.edu/nasm/aero/aircraft/bellx1.htm

"JoAnn Castle" wrote in message
k.net...
How come no X-1 at the Science Museum then?

In fact, most of what they had there was captured German stuff or copies of
American rockets. The had their time in the limelight but rampant socialism
drove their best and brightest out.


"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
At the time the British, who were world leaders in aeronautical design
were probaly well ahead of the US. They had a prototype X1 built. The
design was provided by the British goverment to the US as a
"collaborative" agreement with the US "for mutual benefit". Having given
the design to the US the US team then finished the work without
conveying the results of their tests. FYI, the US team were having
problems with flow separation at the control surfaces, a problem solved
by the British some years before with the fully moving tailplane. These
facts have only recently come to light with the declassification of
British documents. Perhaps you have not realized it but, as pointed out
by Jeremy Clarkson, Concorde was designed (and built) at a time when
even American fighters struggled to reach Mach 2 and when the height of
domestic technology was a twin tub washing machine.

Cheers MC

Joe wrote:

The_navigator© wrote in message
...

The X1 was designed in the UK!


Nav, Your an idiot, or a troll. You can not do a little thing like
search the internet to find the facts.

Larry Bell and his team at Skunk Works designed the X1.

He was not in the UK.

His famous quote is "Show me a man who cannot
bother to do little things, and I'll show you a man who cannot be
trusted to do big things."

Larry was first at all the following.

FIRST twin-engine escort fighter (Airacuda)

FIRST aircraft to mount 37mm cannon and flexible gun turrets
(Airacuda)

FIRST modern multi-place fighter, establishing a new type for the Army
Air Force (Airacuda)

FIRST american fighter airplane designed around its armament (P39
Airacobra)

FIRST use of tricycle landing gear on modern military aircraft (P39)

FIRST satisfactory .50 caliber machine gun shock dampener, which
became
standard for both Army and Navy

FIRST modern all-wood military fighter (XP77)

FIRST helicopter with automatic stabilizing control

FIRST jet-propelled fighter in the US (P-59 Airacomet)

FIRST commercial helicopter

FIRST supersonic airplane (X-1)

[DPM's note: there is some evidence to suggest that a Messerschmitt
ME-163 Komet (the rocket propelled plane) may actually have gone
supersonic
during one test flight, but there was no instrumented proof of it
so the X-1 and Chuck Yeager get the credit.....]

FIRST commercial helicopter with 200 HP engine and skid landing gear

FIRST airplane able to vary degree of wing sweepback during flight
(X5)

FIRST radio-guided bomb (Tarzon)

FIRST helicopter designed specifically for anti-submarine warfare
(HSL-1)

FIRST airplane able to fly at speeds 2.5 times the speed of sound and
at
altitudes of 90,000 feet (X1A)

FIRST turbine powered helicopter (XH-13F)

FIRST jet-propelled VTOL airplane

FIRST automatic carrier landing system

FIRST convertiplane incorporating tilting-rotor system (XV-3)

Joe
MSV RedCloud With nice fitting sails, not all wrinkley near the boom
like NAVs.




Cheers MC

Joe wrote:


"katysails" wrote in message
...


Someone please take his peyote away....




He speaks the truth Katy, After WW11 we imported all that German
talent. One of the main reasons we put man on the moon first. However
body of the X1/hull and wing designs are two different subject.

What Horvath is saying is that if Captn Neal wants to go supersonic
in his coranado he will have to re-design his sails to a more swept
back delta configration.

Joe
RedCloud

Hull form for the sound barrier!
 

How big a rocket do we need to strap on to Neal, er his boat?

Scotty

"JoAnn Castle" wrote in message
k.net...
No one has gone transonic in a Coronado either.


"Vito" wrote in message
...
Sidney Greenstreet wrote:

.... The BELL X-1, designed to go beyond the sound barrier!

The Coronado may be a fine boat but the X-1 was not shaped to go beyond
the sound barrier; nobody'd done it yet so nobody yet knew how a
supersonic plane should be shaped. They made it look like Buck Rogers
spacecraft. Notice that modern transonic planes look nothing like the
X-1.

Hull form for the sound barrier!
 

On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 00:32:57 GMT, "JoAnn Castle"
wrote this crap:

How come no X-1 at the Science Museum then?

Huh? I just checked. I got a picture of the X-1 taken at the
Smithsonian Air and Space Museum.


Hero@Horvath

I don't spend my money on food. I spend most of my money
on women, porn, booze, and recreation. The rest of it I just waste.

Hull form for the sound barrier!
 

The navigator© wrote:

.... FYI, the US team were having problems with flow separation at the control surfaces, a problem
solved by the British some years before ...

The way I heard it from an engineer who'd worked the project, the
separation was inducing "flutter" that lead to fatigue cracks. One day
an old broom pusher suggested they try putting dimples or slots in
various places. Stumped, they tried it and it worked, so they assumed
the broom pusher was one of a zillion extremely talented Europeans stuck
doing menial jobs after the war. But no, it came from practical
experience. "Did you ever see toilet paper tear at the perforations?" he
explained. A "sea story"? Prolly, but one at least as probable as
anything attributed to secret Brit archives .... (c: