I had the track car all the way forward. I should have moved it back
to open up the leech. Is that what you're trying to say? The leech
line was pulled only very easy just to take any slack out of it.

I did notice the foot seemed a little loose in the light winds but
later in the afternoon the winds piped up to a good steady
twenty knots and the sail shaped out nicely. Remember what
you see in the pictures is about five or six knots of wind.

S.Simon

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message ...
Neal,

James has given you a damn good appeasel and where you are out of
adjustment

Lets you and I talk a little about sail trim,
head sail trim.
That line is to let you see the curve of your sail, parallel to the
deck. It shoes your trim. Most salts use the seams on a cross cut but
the line is better

Adjustments on the head

Sag------Is the amount of slack in your forestay. controlled by back
stay tension

Twist------ The amount of fall off of the sail as you lok aloft

Shape (Chord)-----Controlled by Sheet car position, Sheet
tension,Halyard tension and leech (roach) length

If you look at your "Line" you will see a definite hook leading into the
leech. It is a indication of to tight of a leech. Someone mentioned
Leech string tension, Ease off on it until you get a flutter in the
roach and then draw up on it just enough to stop the flutter. The hook
should disappear Check the back end of your line

Yes, a kink indicates too much tension. but what are you going to do
about the draft?

http://community.webshots.com/album/56512277PHOvoD

Shows what a new main should look like in light airs.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

Forestay is very tight. I did not uphaul the sail very much because the
wind was so light that a slack luff was necessary. I tried uphauling it
more on a reach but the luff got sort of a kink in it instead of a nice
smooth curve. When I slacked off on the halyard tension the sail
shape smoothed out.

S.Simon - knows how to shape the sails on his own boat better
than some wannabe looking at pictures.


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

You may need to pay attention to forestay tension because the draft is
way back for an unstretched new sail. Either that or it's cut badly..

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

What's the reason for the black line on the jib?

http://captneal.homestead.com/files/jib.jpg

Way too much belly! It's better to flatten it more for light air.

The better racers know this. How come you don't?


S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...
Yes, a kink indicates too much tension. but what are you going to do
about the draft?

http://community.webshots.com/album/56512277PHOvoD

Shows what a new main should look like in light airs.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

Forestay is very tight. I did not uphaul the sail very much because the
wind was so light that a slack luff was necessary. I tried uphauling it
more on a reach but the luff got sort of a kink in it instead of a nice
smooth curve. When I slacked off on the halyard tension the sail
shape smoothed out.

S.Simon - knows how to shape the sails on his own boat better
than some wannabe looking at pictures.


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

You may need to pay attention to forestay tension because the draft is
way back for an unstretched new sail. Either that or it's cut badly..

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

What's the reason for the black line on the jib?

http://captneal.homestead.com/files/jib.jpg

Belly? That's draft silly and what's more it's in the right place!

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

Way too much belly! It's better to flatten it more for light air.

The better racers know this. How come you don't?


S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

Yes, a kink indicates too much tension. but what are you going to do
about the draft?

http://community.webshots.com/album/56512277PHOvoD

Shows what a new main should look like in light airs.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:


Forestay is very tight. I did not uphaul the sail very much because the
wind was so light that a slack luff was necessary. I tried uphauling it
more on a reach but the luff got sort of a kink in it instead of a nice
smooth curve. When I slacked off on the halyard tension the sail
shape smoothed out.

S.Simon - knows how to shape the sails on his own boat better
than some wannabe looking at pictures.


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...


You may need to pay attention to forestay tension because the draft is
way back for an unstretched new sail. Either that or it's cut badly..

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:


What's the reason for the black line on the jib?

http://captneal.homestead.com/files/jib.jpg

What's the reason for the black line on the jib?

Quality sails have 2 or 3. I've never seen 1.


S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

Wrong! the chord is too great. You're gonna stall the air over the
leeward side of the sail.


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...
Belly? That's draft silly and what's more it's in the right place!

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

Way too much belly! It's better to flatten it more for light air.

The better racers know this. How come you don't?


S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

Yes, a kink indicates too much tension. but what are you going to do
about the draft?

http://community.webshots.com/album/56512277PHOvoD

Shows what a new main should look like in light airs.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:


Forestay is very tight. I did not uphaul the sail very much because the
wind was so light that a slack luff was necessary. I tried uphauling it
more on a reach but the luff got sort of a kink in it instead of a nice
smooth curve. When I slacked off on the halyard tension the sail
shape smoothed out.

S.Simon - knows how to shape the sails on his own boat better
than some wannabe looking at pictures.


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...


You may need to pay attention to forestay tension because the draft is
way back for an unstretched new sail. Either that or it's cut badly..

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:


What's the reason for the black line on the jib?

http://captneal.homestead.com/files/jib.jpg

There's nothing wrong with the chord -that's determined by the boom and
roach silly!

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

Wrong! the chord is too great. You're gonna stall the air over the
leeward side of the sail.


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

Belly? That's draft silly and what's more it's in the right place!

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:


Way too much belly! It's better to flatten it more for light air.

The better racers know this. How come you don't?


S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...


Yes, a kink indicates too much tension. but what are you going to do
about the draft?

http://community.webshots.com/album/56512277PHOvoD

Shows what a new main should look like in light airs.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:



Forestay is very tight. I did not uphaul the sail very much because the
wind was so light that a slack luff was necessary. I tried uphauling it
more on a reach but the luff got sort of a kink in it instead of a nice
smooth curve. When I slacked off on the halyard tension the sail
shape smoothed out.

S.Simon - knows how to shape the sails on his own boat better
than some wannabe looking at pictures.


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...



You may need to pay attention to forestay tension because the draft is
way back for an unstretched new sail. Either that or it's cut badly..

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:



What's the reason for the black line on the jib?

http://captneal.homestead.com/files/jib.jpg

My mistake. I used chord incorrectly. I meant to say the depth is too
great meaning the sail needs to be outhauled more so it's flatter like
your wife's chest, you know.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...
There's nothing wrong with the chord -that's determined by the boom and
roach silly!

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

Wrong! the chord is too great. You're gonna stall the air over the
leeward side of the sail.


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

Belly? That's draft silly and what's more it's in the right place!

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:


Way too much belly! It's better to flatten it more for light air.

The better racers know this. How come you don't?


S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...


Yes, a kink indicates too much tension. but what are you going to do
about the draft?

http://community.webshots.com/album/56512277PHOvoD

Shows what a new main should look like in light airs.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:



Forestay is very tight. I did not uphaul the sail very much because the
wind was so light that a slack luff was necessary. I tried uphauling it
more on a reach but the luff got sort of a kink in it instead of a nice
smooth curve. When I slacked off on the halyard tension the sail
shape smoothed out.

S.Simon - knows how to shape the sails on his own boat better
than some wannabe looking at pictures.


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...



You may need to pay attention to forestay tension because the draft is
way back for an unstretched new sail. Either that or it's cut badly..

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:



What's the reason for the black line on the jib?

http://captneal.homestead.com/files/jib.jpg

Do you mean draft? Did you look at the other pictures -if you look at
the one from forward you are still saying there is too much draft?

Cheers MC


Simple Simon wrote:

My mistake. I used chord incorrectly. I meant to say the depth is too
great meaning the sail needs to be outhauled more so it's flatter like
your wife's chest, you know.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

There's nothing wrong with the chord -that's determined by the boom and
roach silly!

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:


Wrong! the chord is too great. You're gonna stall the air over the
leeward side of the sail.


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...


Belly? That's draft silly and what's more it's in the right place!

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:



Way too much belly! It's better to flatten it more for light air.

The better racers know this. How come you don't?


S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...



Yes, a kink indicates too much tension. but what are you going to do
about the draft?

http://community.webshots.com/album/56512277PHOvoD

Shows what a new main should look like in light airs.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:




Forestay is very tight. I did not uphaul the sail very much because the
wind was so light that a slack luff was necessary. I tried uphauling it
more on a reach but the luff got sort of a kink in it instead of a nice
smooth curve. When I slacked off on the halyard tension the sail
shape smoothed out.

S.Simon - knows how to shape the sails on his own boat better
than some wannabe looking at pictures.


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...




You may need to pay attention to forestay tension because the draft is
way back for an unstretched new sail. Either that or it's cut badly..

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:




What's the reason for the black line on the jib?

http://captneal.homestead.com/files/jib.jpg

Didn't look at the forward pic as the one I looked at too way too long to
load. But, I can tell by the draft stripe that the sail has too much draft.

S.Simon

"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...
Do you mean draft? Did you look at the other pictures -if you look at
the one from forward you are still saying there is too much draft?

Cheers MC


Simple Simon wrote:

My mistake. I used chord incorrectly. I meant to say the depth is too
great meaning the sail needs to be outhauled more so it's flatter like
your wife's chest, you know.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

There's nothing wrong with the chord -that's determined by the boom and
roach silly!

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:


Wrong! the chord is too great. You're gonna stall the air over the
leeward side of the sail.


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...


Belly? That's draft silly and what's more it's in the right place!

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:



Way too much belly! It's better to flatten it more for light air.

The better racers know this. How come you don't?


S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...



Yes, a kink indicates too much tension. but what are you going to do
about the draft?

http://community.webshots.com/album/56512277PHOvoD

Shows what a new main should look like in light airs.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:




Forestay is very tight. I did not uphaul the sail very much because the
wind was so light that a slack luff was necessary. I tried uphauling it
more on a reach but the luff got sort of a kink in it instead of a nice
smooth curve. When I slacked off on the halyard tension the sail
shape smoothed out.

S.Simon - knows how to shape the sails on his own boat better
than some wannabe looking at pictures.


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...




You may need to pay attention to forestay tension because the draft is
way back for an unstretched new sail. Either that or it's cut badly..

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:




What's the reason for the black line on the jib?

http://captneal.homestead.com/files/jib.jpg