Titanium hull?
 

Check out Scientific American (Oct 2003) article "Alchemy of a
Supermetal" A new process for wresting pure titanium from ore may
soon make the affordable titanium hull and other sailboat components a
reality. The pure form of the ninth most common element on earth is
expensive now only because of the chemical reduction process currently
used to extract it. A few bright metallurgists at Cambridge have
found a significantly easier way to produce it. The challenge now is
to produce it in commercial volume. Might be worth investing.
Scout

Titanium hull?
 

Scoutthat's one reason why I'm keeping the titanium parts they pulled =
out of my leg last year...I figore that the value is going to go way up =
and I will be able to make some money...(I paid for all those screws and =
bolts, etc....why not turn them into an investment?)

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Titanium hull?
 

Katy, you may want to sell them before these guys perfect their system
and titanium products fall into the price range of pvc (ok, maybe
aluminum). But consider that there may be as much as 663 sextillion
metric tons of it on the planet. Naturally, I can't put a price on the
sentimental value of parts you've collected, but I can't imagine they
are linked to your most pleasurable memories, lol.
Scout


"katysails" wrote:

Scoutthat's one reason why I'm keeping the titanium parts they pulled out of my leg last year...I figore that the value is going to go way up and I will be able to make some money...(I paid for all those screws and bolts, etc....why not turn them into an investment?)

Titanium hull?
 

but I can't imagine they
are linked to your most pleasurable memories, lol.
Scout

No..it was not a fun time...

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Titanium hull?
 

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 07:25:45 -0400, Scout
wrote this crap:

Check out Scientific American (Oct 2003) article "Alchemy of a
Supermetal" A new process for wresting pure titanium from ore may
soon make the affordable titanium hull and other sailboat components a
reality. The pure form of the ninth most common element on earth is
expensive now only because of the chemical reduction process currently
used to extract it. A few bright metallurgists at Cambridge have
found a significantly easier way to produce it. The challenge now is
to produce it in commercial volume. Might be worth investing.
Scout

Investing in something that will go down in price?

Commercially affordable titanium will be good for the tool industry,
but I doubt if it will be cheaper than fiberglass.




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On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:22:54 -0400, "katysails"
wrote this crap:

Scoutthat's one reason why I'm keeping the titanium parts they pulled out of my leg last year...I figore that the value is going to go way up and I will be able to make some money...(I paid for all those screws and bolts, etc....why not turn them into an investment?)


You idiot. Titanium will go DOWN in price, dumbass.




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Titanium hull?
 

Holy crap Horvath!!! I mean invest in the technology!!!!
These guys will be rich if they pull it off, but they need money now.
Read the article if you care to know more.
Scout


Horvath wrote:
You idiot. Titanium will go DOWN in price, dumbass.

Titanium hull?
 

BTW Horvy - are you the gay looking blonde in the pic you posted, or
the really gay looking guy next to the gay looking blonde?
Scout

Titanium hull?
 

I'm sure you're right, but would you pay the difference (assuming it's
close) for a titanium hull?
Scout

Horvath wrote:
Commercially affordable titanium will be good for the tool industry,
but I doubt if it will be cheaper than fiberglass.

Titanium hull?
 

Horass wouldn't, but a smart man would.

Scotty

"Scout" wrote in message
...
I'm sure you're right, but would you pay the difference (assuming it's
close) for a titanium hull?
Scout

Horvath wrote:
Commercially affordable titanium will be good for the tool industry,
but I doubt if it will be cheaper than fiberglass.

Titanium hull?
 

Whatever the process, it doesn't seem likely that titanium will ever be
cheaper than aluminum and never mind how difficult it is to work with.
Aluminum sailboats are so expensive that only the wealthy can afford them
now.

Still, it could be just the thing for high dollar ocean racers.
There might be some advantage over the carbon fibre composites now used in
the open 60's, even if they didn't build an entire hull out of it.



"Scout" wrote in message
...
I'm sure you're right, but would you pay the difference (assuming it's
close) for a titanium hull?
Scout

Horvath wrote:
Commercially affordable titanium will be good for the tool industry,
but I doubt if it will be cheaper than fiberglass.

Titanium hull?
 

Horass, your tits are showing.

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 08:22:54 -0400, "katysails"
wrote this crap:

Scoutthat's one reason why I'm keeping the titanium parts they pulled out
of my leg last year...I figore that the value is going to go way up and I
will be able to make some money...(I paid for all those screws and bolts,
etc....why not turn them into an investment?)


You idiot. Titanium will go DOWN in price, dumbass.




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Titanium hull?
 

Yeah, don't do that. Don't invest in things might turn into a commodity.

You are dumber than words can express.

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 07:25:45 -0400, Scout
wrote this crap:

Check out Scientific American (Oct 2003) article "Alchemy of a
Supermetal" A new process for wresting pure titanium from ore may
soon make the affordable titanium hull and other sailboat components a
reality. The pure form of the ninth most common element on earth is
expensive now only because of the chemical reduction process currently
used to extract it. A few bright metallurgists at Cambridge have
found a significantly easier way to produce it. The challenge now is
to produce it in commercial volume. Might be worth investing.
Scout

Investing in something that will go down in price?

Commercially affordable titanium will be good for the tool industry,
but I doubt if it will be cheaper than fiberglass.




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On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:40:52 -0400, Scout
wrote this crap:

I'm sure you're right, but would you pay the difference (assuming it's
close) for a titanium hull?
Scout

Are you nuts?


Horvath wrote:
Commercially affordable titanium will be good for the tool industry,
but I doubt if it will be cheaper than fiberglass.





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On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:44:30 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

Yeah, don't do that. Don't invest in things might turn into a commodity.

You are dumber than words can express.

Beause I own a boat, Jon-boy?




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On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:23:13 -0400, Scout
wrote this crap:

Holy crap Horvath!!! I mean invest in the technology!!!!

Duh! Invest in technology! Where have I heard that before, dumbass?


These guys will be rich if they pull it off, but they need money now.
Read the article if you care to know more.
Scout


Horvath wrote:
You idiot. Titanium will go DOWN in price, dumbass.



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Titanium hull?
 

If the materials are cheap enough, why not?


Horvath wrote:

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:40:52 -0400, Scout
wrote this crap:

I'm sure you're right, but would you pay the difference (assuming it's
close) for a titanium hull?
Scout

Are you nuts?


Horvath wrote:
Commercially affordable titanium will be good for the tool industry,
but I doubt if it will be cheaper than fiberglass.





This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe

Titanium hull?
 

Horvath wrote:
Duh! Invest in technology! Where have I heard that before, dumbass?

Yeah you're right, a journal like Scientific American is probably
published by a Larry Flint type and bound to be written by Mad
Magazine dropouts. And if the price of Titanium is suddenly dropped to
1/5 the current price, I'm sure we'll all just keep on choosing steel
and aluminum for making our machines and our toys.

And you call me a dumbass? Weren't you the who recently embarrassed
himself by claiming that the ozone scare was a hoax, and the proof of
that was the ample supply of O3 at ground level? Jesus Horvath,
sailors are supposed to be on the ball - get with it man!

Scout

Titanium hull?
 

Duh... well, you got that part right.

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:23:13 -0400, Scout
wrote this crap:

Holy crap Horvath!!! I mean invest in the technology!!!!

Duh! Invest in technology! Where have I heard that before, dumbass?


These guys will be rich if they pull it off, but they need money now.
Read the article if you care to know more.
Scout


Horvath wrote:
You idiot. Titanium will go DOWN in price, dumbass.



This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe

Titanium hull?
 

He owns a crap Hunter. What can you say....

"Scout" wrote in message
...
Horvath wrote:
Duh! Invest in technology! Where have I heard that before, dumbass?

Yeah you're right, a journal like Scientific American is probably
published by a Larry Flint type and bound to be written by Mad
Magazine dropouts. And if the price of Titanium is suddenly dropped to
1/5 the current price, I'm sure we'll all just keep on choosing steel
and aluminum for making our machines and our toys.

And you call me a dumbass? Weren't you the who recently embarrassed
himself by claiming that the ozone scare was a hoax, and the proof of
that was the ample supply of O3 at ground level? Jesus Horvath,
sailors are supposed to be on the ball - get with it man!

Scout

Titanium hull?
 

Because you own a piece of junk. Me and my Cal 20 could outsail
you no matter what you sailed, however.

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:44:30 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

Yeah, don't do that. Don't invest in things might turn into a commodity.

You are dumber than words can express.

Beause I own a boat, Jon-boy?




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Titanium hull?
 

I can't even afford a titanium headboard shackle.


S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

Titanium hull?
 

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:10:05 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

Because you own a piece of junk. Me and my Cal 20 could outsail
you no matter what you sailed, however.

Even if you learned proper grammar?




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Titanium hull?
 

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 21:06:19 -0400, Scout
wrote this crap:

Horvath wrote:
Duh! Invest in technology! Where have I heard that before, dumbass?

Yeah you're right, a journal like Scientific American is probably
published by a Larry Flint type and bound to be written by Mad
Magazine dropouts. And if the price of Titanium is suddenly dropped to
1/5 the current price, I'm sure we'll all just keep on choosing steel
and aluminum for making our machines and our toys.

Didn't you ****ing hear me say that cheap titanium would benefit the
tool industry? Dumbass!

I still don't think titanium will ever be cheaper than fiberglass.




This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe

Titanium hull?
 

And I never said it would replace fiberglass, but would be an option
that might even be less costly than aluminum.
And don't be so sensitive, it's out of character for you..
Scout


Horvath wrote:
Didn't you ****ing hear me say that cheap titanium would benefit the
tool industry? Dumbass!

Titanium hull?
 

Well, you're stupid. What can anyone say to that?

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 21:06:19 -0400, Scout
wrote this crap:

Horvath wrote:
Duh! Invest in technology! Where have I heard that before, dumbass?

Yeah you're right, a journal like Scientific American is probably
published by a Larry Flint type and bound to be written by Mad
Magazine dropouts. And if the price of Titanium is suddenly dropped to
1/5 the current price, I'm sure we'll all just keep on choosing steel
and aluminum for making our machines and our toys.

Didn't you ****ing hear me say that cheap titanium would benefit the
tool industry? Dumbass!

I still don't think titanium will ever be cheaper than fiberglass.




This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe

Titanium hull?
 

Hey Horass.... show us your tits.

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 21:06:19 -0400, Scout
wrote this crap:

Horvath wrote:
Duh! Invest in technology! Where have I heard that before, dumbass?

Yeah you're right, a journal like Scientific American is probably
published by a Larry Flint type and bound to be written by Mad
Magazine dropouts. And if the price of Titanium is suddenly dropped to
1/5 the current price, I'm sure we'll all just keep on choosing steel
and aluminum for making our machines and our toys.

Didn't you ****ing hear me say that cheap titanium would benefit the
tool industry? Dumbass!

I still don't think titanium will ever be cheaper than fiberglass.




This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe

Titanium hull?
 

So you admit that you own a piece of junk?

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:10:05 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

Because you own a piece of junk. Me and my Cal 20 could outsail
you no matter what you sailed, however.

Even if you learned proper grammar?




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Titanium hull?
 

buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut it **IS* miserably difficult to weld, so who
cares.

Check out Scientific American (Oct 2003) article "Alchemy of a
Supermetal" A new process for wresting pure titanium from ore may
soon make the affordable titanium hull and other sailboat components a
reality. The pure form of the ninth most common element on earth is
expensive now only because of the chemical reduction process currently
used to extract it. A few bright metallurgists at Cambridge have
found a significantly easier way to produce it. The challenge now is
to produce it in commercial volume. Might be worth investing.
Scout

Titanium hull?
 

U.K. Defense Ministry and U.S. Government for starters.
It is *currently* difficult to weld, but the welding industry has
overcome similar challenges in the past.
Success of the Cambridge process would mean a profuse supply of
Titanium. Abundance of any resource tends to lead to creative ways of
using it.
Scout.


JAXAshby wrote:
buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut it **IS* miserably difficult to weld, so who
cares.

Titanium hull?
 

Titanium hull?
 

Scout wrote in message . ..
Check out Scientific American (Oct 2003) article "Alchemy of a
Supermetal" A new process for wresting pure titanium from ore may
soon make the affordable titanium hull and other sailboat components a
reality. The pure form of the ninth most common element on earth is
expensive now only because of the chemical reduction process currently
used to extract it. A few bright metallurgists at Cambridge have
found a significantly easier way to produce it. The challenge now is
to produce it in commercial volume. Might be worth investing.
Scout


Titanium might be nice hull material. But my next boat will be made of
90-10 copper nickle. One called Pretty Penny launched in 1979 and
never hauled
until 1995. No growth barnicales or loss of metal at all. A perfect
hull.

She is stillperfect and moored in the river Swale, at Uplees off the
Thames
estuary in the UK if anyone wants to see a maintenance free boat.

Still you need deep pockets, It cost about 10 times the cost of Steel.

It's all in Bruce Roberts Book The complete guide to Metal Boats;
McGraw Hill

Joe
MSV RedCloud......Made of the finest English Steel money could buy!

Titanium hull?
 

I sure cannot figure out why some people insist on such heavy,
slow boats made out of maintenance intensive steel and impossible
to repair copper, nickel. Maybe one could melt down a bunch
of five-cent coins and get the hull cheaper.

Bottom line is nothing beats plain old fiberglass with polyester resin
when it comes to strength, longevity and maintenance free operation.

S.Simon


"Joe" wrote in message om...
Scout wrote in message . ..
Check out Scientific American (Oct 2003) article "Alchemy of a
Supermetal" A new process for wresting pure titanium from ore may
soon make the affordable titanium hull and other sailboat components a
reality. The pure form of the ninth most common element on earth is
expensive now only because of the chemical reduction process currently
used to extract it. A few bright metallurgists at Cambridge have
found a significantly easier way to produce it. The challenge now is
to produce it in commercial volume. Might be worth investing.
Scout


Titanium might be nice hull material. But my next boat will be made of
90-10 copper nickle. One called Pretty Penny launched in 1979 and
never hauled
until 1995. No growth barnicales or loss of metal at all. A perfect
hull.

She is stillperfect and moored in the river Swale, at Uplees off the
Thames
estuary in the UK if anyone wants to see a maintenance free boat.

Still you need deep pockets, It cost about 10 times the cost of Steel.

It's all in Bruce Roberts Book The complete guide to Metal Boats;
McGraw Hill

Joe
MSV RedCloud......Made of the finest English Steel money could buy!

Titanium hull?
 

Bottom line is nothing beats plain old fiberglass with polyester resin
when it comes to strength, longevity and maintenance free operation.

Get with the times mooring stud. Epoxy resin is what's used today. I keep
telling you you know nothing about boats.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

Titanium hull?
 

Right on... get a catamaran or trimaran made out of glass...
go fast, can't sink, relax while sailing.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
I sure cannot figure out why some people insist on such heavy,
slow boats made out of maintenance intensive steel and impossible
to repair copper, nickel. Maybe one could melt down a bunch
of five-cent coins and get the hull cheaper.

Bottom line is nothing beats plain old fiberglass with polyester resin
when it comes to strength, longevity and maintenance free operation.

S.Simon


"Joe" wrote in message
om...
Scout wrote in message
. ..
Check out Scientific American (Oct 2003) article "Alchemy of a
Supermetal" A new process for wresting pure titanium from ore may
soon make the affordable titanium hull and other sailboat components a
reality. The pure form of the ninth most common element on earth is
expensive now only because of the chemical reduction process currently
used to extract it. A few bright metallurgists at Cambridge have
found a significantly easier way to produce it. The challenge now is
to produce it in commercial volume. Might be worth investing.
Scout


Titanium might be nice hull material. But my next boat will be made of
90-10 copper nickle. One called Pretty Penny launched in 1979 and
never hauled
until 1995. No growth barnicales or loss of metal at all. A perfect
hull.

She is stillperfect and moored in the river Swale, at Uplees off the
Thames
estuary in the UK if anyone wants to see a maintenance free boat.

Still you need deep pockets, It cost about 10 times the cost of Steel.

It's all in Bruce Roberts Book The complete guide to Metal Boats;
McGraw Hill

Joe
MSV RedCloud......Made of the finest English Steel money could buy!

Titanium hull?
 

Joe wrote:

MSV RedCloud......Made of the finest English Steel money could buy!

Awww...errr.... (shuffle feet) ... didn't they say the same about
Titanic?

Titanium hull?
 

"Simple Simon" wrote in message ...
I sure cannot figure out why some people insist on such heavy,
slow boats made out of maintenance intensive steel and impossible
to repair copper, nickel. Maybe one could melt down a bunch
of five-cent coins and get the hull cheaper.

First of all RedCloud would leave you in the dust anyday. I can make
8.5 kts (hull speed)24hrs a day for over 2 weeks, and that's with no
wind. Want to race to England?

Melting Nickles ----Sheeezzzzee You weld them together like a quilt.
Duhhhhhhh


Bottom line is nothing beats plain old fiberglass with polyester resin
when it comes to strength,

Another challange. Lets meet at the east bank of the Flower Gardena.
Full speed lets ram into each other, and lets see which hull is
stonger.

longevity and maintenance free operation.

How old is your Coranodo? Is it really maintenance free?

RedCloud was made in 1976 and is kept pristine and rust free, but I do
have to maintain it.

Joe
MSV RedCloud- Will anchor upwind of Neal someday and run my generator
all night.




S.Simon


"Joe" wrote in message om...
Scout wrote in message . ..
Check out Scientific American (Oct 2003) article "Alchemy of a
Supermetal" A new process for wresting pure titanium from ore may
soon make the affordable titanium hull and other sailboat components a
reality. The pure form of the ninth most common element on earth is
expensive now only because of the chemical reduction process currently
used to extract it. A few bright metallurgists at Cambridge have
found a significantly easier way to produce it. The challenge now is
to produce it in commercial volume. Might be worth investing.
Scout


Titanium might be nice hull material. But my next boat will be made of
90-10 copper nickle. One called Pretty Penny launched in 1979 and
never hauled
until 1995. No growth barnicales or loss of metal at all. A perfect
hull.

She is stillperfect and moored in the river Swale, at Uplees off the
Thames
estuary in the UK if anyone wants to see a maintenance free boat.

Still you need deep pockets, It cost about 10 times the cost of Steel.

It's all in Bruce Roberts Book The complete guide to Metal Boats;
McGraw Hill

Joe
MSV RedCloud......Made of the finest English Steel money could buy!

Titanium hull?
 

Vito wrote in message ...
Joe wrote:

MSV RedCloud......Made of the finest English Steel money could buy!

Awww...errr.... (shuffle feet) ... didn't they say the same about
Titanic?

No. The Titanic was buildt of Irish Steel.

Joe

Titanium hull?
 

Steel? Irish?

Cheers MC

Joe wrote:

Vito wrote in message ...

Joe wrote:

MSV RedCloud......Made of the finest English Steel money could buy!

Awww...errr.... (shuffle feet) ... didn't they say the same about
Titanic?


No. The Titanic was buildt of Irish Steel.

Joe

Titanium hull?
 

The_navigator© wrote in message ...
Steel? Irish?


Yeah Steel rivits annealed and made in Belfast and applied to the hull
at Harland & Woff Shipyard in Belfast Ireland. Thats the place where
the Titanic was made BTW.

The steel hull plates where made by D. Colville & Co from Scotland.

Most experts think the rivits failed at the head loads, allowing seams
to rip open on the Titanics hull. Many think the same flawed riviting
might have doomed the HMS Hood.

Joe
MSV RedCloud
Still made of the finest British Steel & Monel money could buy.



Cheers MC

Joe wrote:

Vito wrote in message ...

Joe wrote:

MSV RedCloud......Made of the finest English Steel money could buy!

Awww...errr.... (shuffle feet) ... didn't they say the same about
Titanic?


No. The Titanic was buildt of Irish Steel.

Joe