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"john" wrote in message
om...
If you think you are being clever, you're not. You haven't said one
word about his intelligence, or supposed lack of it, but you have just
spoken volumes about your own ignorance and bigotry.

OK! Let me put it simply.

A few months ago, the French and German governments were given all sorts of
abuse by various members of the Bush administration for their refusal to
support war in Iraq.

The French and Germans felt that the War against Terror would not be helped
by invading Iraq. They warned that the situation would be made worse. They
claimed that there was no proof that Iraq posed an imminent threat. They
claimed that there was no evidence to link Al Q'aeda with Saddam, and they
said that there was no proof of the existence of WMD.

The situation in Iraq has now gone "tits up", just as the French and
Germans predicted.

Now, the Bush administration is seeking assistance from the French and
Germans because the US is finding it difficult to deal with the daily
terrorist attacks.

It is very stupid to ask the French and Germans to help to pay for the mess
that they tried to prevent in the first place. Only an idiot would expect
help in this situation.

I don't think that I am being very clever. I do think that anyone who
still thinks that Bush is intelligent must be very stupid.

Regards

Donal
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"The Captains Nemesis" wrote in message
...
Doinal me lad, that will be construed as anti American by the
patriots.

[sigh] I know!

Only an American patriot could believe that Bush is intelligent.

Surely, a real patriot would try to put the truth before politics. In the
long term, the Bush administration will be seen to have caused huge damage
to US interests.

Regards

Donal
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"Donal" wrote in message ...
"john" wrote in message
om...
If you think you are being clever, you're not. You haven't said one
word about his intelligence, or supposed lack of it, but you have just
spoken volumes about your own ignorance and bigotry.

Brilliant, John. You are obviously a man who understands what is going on
in the world.

Perhaps you can explain why no WMD have been found in Iraq.?

Trying to change the subject to deflect attention away from your own
ignorance?

Perhaps you can explain your stunning ignorance, and the fact that
ample evidence has been found that shows saddam was actively engaged
in WMD programs?

Regards

Donal
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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ...
"Donal" wrote in message
...
|
| "john" wrote in message
| om...
| If you think you are being clever, you're not. You haven't said one
| word about his intelligence, or supposed lack of it, but you have just
| spoken volumes about your own ignorance and bigotry.
|
| Brilliant, John. You are obviously a man who understands what is going on
| in the world.
|
| Perhaps you can explain why no WMD have been found in Iraq.?

Better yet Donal.... maybe he can explain why the USA is begging for help
from the same people it insulted and dismissed for not joining in this
idiotic fiasco. Seems like failing to achieve objectives is the hallmark of
this presidency.

Pure spin. He didnt insult them but he did dismiss them (If they didnt
want to join, they didnt want to join). There is no "begging for help"
going on. While it may make you feel good to say that, it is far from
the case. Bush is simply going to the UN to satisfy the non-stop
criticism from the left...knowing that they will not agree on
anything. This is exactly what he's done before. It's amazing how
short people's memories are.

Last September, Bush used the threat of the UN being irrelevent as a
means to get 1441 passed. It worked. While the threat of irrelevancy
is still there, the rhetoric is now being moved to "Who is part of the
civilized world? France, Germany and the UN are you going to side with
the barbarians?" To call these people uncivilized is the ultimate
insult to their way overblown egos.

Thus, the reason for going to the UN is to either expose France and
Germany for who they really are -- allies of the barbarians -- or
force them to comply with the "civilized world". Anyone who thinks we
are going to the UN because we are "failing miserably" in Iraq is
sadly mistaken. Instead, we are forcing France, Germany and the UN in
general to play their hand. Bush is either going to get his resolution
or the UN's inability to be part of the civilized world will render it
irrelevant. My bet is that Bush will get his resolution just like last
fall and then some -- perhaps some much needed institutional reform at
the UN.

This is strategy of the highest order folks. Sun Tzu couldn't have
done it better himself.

Didn't all this start off to stop terrorism? Osama Bin Missin'??

Global Terrorist Attacks Rose 8 Percent in 2000
http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/01050102.htm

International Terrorist Attacks Fell 44 Percent in 2002
http://usembassy.state.gov/islamabad/wwwh03050103.html

CM

John,

Very good to excellent reply. You definitely put
Donal and his misguided and pathetic ideology
to rest with it.

It is really sad that, due to the efforts of brave
men who are willing to fight and die for freedom
against terrorists who would usurp everyone's
freedom, cowards like Donal and his ilk are able
to hop on the bus for a free ride yet they complain
loudly and long about these benefits. They would
rather continue to be giant hypocrites and continue
to spout their ignorant lies. Like terrorists homicide
bombers they spend their time trying to destroy the
bus. They are scum!

S.Simon

"john" wrote in message om...
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ...
"Donal" wrote in message
...
|
| "john" wrote in message
| om...
| If you think you are being clever, you're not. You haven't said one
| word about his intelligence, or supposed lack of it, but you have just
| spoken volumes about your own ignorance and bigotry.
|
| Brilliant, John. You are obviously a man who understands what is going on
| in the world.
|
| Perhaps you can explain why no WMD have been found in Iraq.?

Better yet Donal.... maybe he can explain why the USA is begging for help
from the same people it insulted and dismissed for not joining in this
idiotic fiasco. Seems like failing to achieve objectives is the hallmark of
this presidency.

Pure spin. He didnt insult them but he did dismiss them (If they didnt
want to join, they didnt want to join). There is no "begging for help"
going on. While it may make you feel good to say that, it is far from
the case. Bush is simply going to the UN to satisfy the non-stop
criticism from the left...knowing that they will not agree on
anything. This is exactly what he's done before. It's amazing how
short people's memories are.

Last September, Bush used the threat of the UN being irrelevent as a
means to get 1441 passed. It worked. While the threat of irrelevancy
is still there, the rhetoric is now being moved to "Who is part of the
civilized world? France, Germany and the UN are you going to side with
the barbarians?" To call these people uncivilized is the ultimate
insult to their way overblown egos.

Thus, the reason for going to the UN is to either expose France and
Germany for who they really are -- allies of the barbarians -- or
force them to comply with the "civilized world". Anyone who thinks we
are going to the UN because we are "failing miserably" in Iraq is
sadly mistaken. Instead, we are forcing France, Germany and the UN in
general to play their hand. Bush is either going to get his resolution
or the UN's inability to be part of the civilized world will render it
irrelevant. My bet is that Bush will get his resolution just like last
fall and then some -- perhaps some much needed institutional reform at
the UN.

This is strategy of the highest order folks. Sun Tzu couldn't have
done it better himself.

Didn't all this start off to stop terrorism? Osama Bin Missin'??

Global Terrorist Attacks Rose 8 Percent in 2000
http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/01050102.htm

International Terrorist Attacks Fell 44 Percent in 2002
http://usembassy.state.gov/islamabad/wwwh03050103.html

CM

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Donal

Besides being a complete asshole, you've got to be one
of the most ignorant people in the world.

What has this to do with the topic?

Everything you say is either an outright lie or an ignorant
assumption. Comments interspersed.

"Donal" wrote in message
...
A few months ago, the French and German governments were given all
sorts of
abuse by various members of the Bush administration for their refusal to
support war in Iraq.

Wrong! The French and German government leaders were given
WHAT THEY DESERVED for playing politics and putting their
own economic interests ahead of the war against terrorism.

What a strange answer. You started out by saying that I was wrong, and
then you proceeded to say the same thing!!!

Typical
short-sighted and cowardly liberals that they are they actually think
a stick-your-head-in-the-sand-and-show-your-ass posture will
impart safety.

They thought that attacking Iraq will cause an increase in global terrorism.

They could care less about their stated reasons against invading Iraq. The
bottom line is they stood to lose billions with illegal contracts for
weapons
and favorable oil prices in exchange being nixed as soon as Saddam's
govt. was thrown out.

Good point! Foreign policy is always influenced by economic
considerations.
Some US companies are doing very well out of the recent war. Oddly, they
are not only American companies, but they all seem to have very close ties
to the Bush administration.

Now, that it has happened they are even more bitter
because they no longer receive special prices on oil for their illegal
weapons
contracts. France and Germany should be next on the list of countries to
have their governments overthrown

Uh oh!!!! I think that you have just revealed that you are a liberal at
heart. That's a pity. It's more fun argueing with a redneck.

right after Iran, N. Korea, Syria,
Saudi Arabia, etc. and any other country that supports terrorists groups
and activities. As for their claims of no WMDs how come they were
signatories to so many resolutions against Iraqi WMDs. They are either
very stupid or very duplicitous or both at the same time.

Nobody is claiming that Iraq never possessed WMD. The only issue was the
threat posed by those WMD. If there was no threat, then there was no real
excuse for the war.

The big question is "Was Bush so stupid that he really believed that Iraqi
WMD posed a threat?" 80% of the world's population did not think so.

The situation in Iraq has now gone "tits up", just as the French and
Germans predicted.

The situation in Iraq is under control.

So why is Bush asking for international help??

Maybe you should stop watching Fox! Only the incidents that result in US
deaths are being reported. These are only a small proportion of the total.

The French and Germans are
wrong, were wrong and will continue to be wrong unless they change
their "Me First" attitudes.

Nope! So far they have been proved to be absolutely correct. There were
no WMD, and there was no link between Al Q'aeda and Saddam.

****Bush went after the wrong target.****

Unless and until they decide to pony up an
ante they will continue to be dealt out of any future economic benefits.
This is what gauls them. They lost their arguments and are too proud
to swallow their pride. I think this is also what gauls you.

I'm not galled by the situation. I am surprised that the Bush spin machine
has managed to turn this into a left vs right issue, and that they have also
managed to make it a test of "patriotism". Do Republicans really believe
that democrats are not patriotic? If so, then you have some really tough
times ahead.

The Iraqis appear to be becoming more hostile to the occupying forces.
There is also evidence that Al Q'aeda are gaining a foothold in parts of
Iraq. I assume that you can see the irony - Bush says that Iraq needs to be
invaded because Saddam is providing training camps for Al Q'aeda, and the
invasion creates the environment that allows AL Q'aeda to set up shop. This
alone proves that Bush is an idiot.

Now, the Bush administration is seeking assistance from the French and
Germans because the US is finding it difficult to deal with the daily
terrorist attacks.

The US is NOT finding it difficult to deal with terrorist attacks in
Iraq.

So you must think that the US approves of the terrorist attacks??? Get
real!

Like President George W. Bush stated, "Bring 'em on!" Unlike
idiots like you, Donal, the President realized it's far better to fight
terrorists in Iraq with soldiers than allowing them free access to
our citizens and trying to fight them with police and firefighters
here in our streets.

Many of the terrorists in Iraq were *not* terrorists before the war. There
has been a nett increase in terrorism. Bush will not be able to confine it
to Iraq.

This is a fact that simpering cowards like yourself
can't seem to get through your simian skulls.

I don't think that I am being very clever.

Right you are! You are incapable of an original thought. Like all
other liberals you get your list of lies and talking points right off
a liberal website or publication. You and your rhetoric and
what you call arguments are pathetic. Begone coward!

S.Simon - will not abide continued liberal lies and ignorance

BTW, you do yourself a great disservice by your overuse of personal insults.
It weakens your arguement, and it only tends to obscure any valid points
that you have.

Regards

Donal - who knows a Simple idiot when he sees one.
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"john" wrote in message
m...

Perhaps you can explain why no WMD have been found in Iraq.?

Trying to change the subject to deflect attention away from your own
ignorance?

Wow! Your answer is truly breathtaking.

Perhaps you can explain your stunning ignorance, and the fact that
ample evidence has been found that shows saddam was actively engaged
in WMD programs?

Of course I can explain my stunning ignorance. It is the result of *your*
interpretation of my words. It is how you see people who disagree with
you - especially if they have a valid point. You are so certain that you
are right that any evidence to the contrary must be the result of ignorance.
Easy, huh?

What have WMD *programmes* to do with the discussion?
We were told that Saddam *possessed* WMD.

I find it interesting that the Bu****es need to resort to insults.

Regards

Donal
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Regards

Donal
--

I use personal insults because liberal assholes like
you deserve no better. If and when you decide
to take terrorism seriously and do something to
fight it instead of supporting it you should be
damned glad that personal insults are the ONLY
thing you are subject to.

More comments below.

"Donal" wrote in message ...
What has this to do with the topic?

It has everything to do with the topic because ignorance
can easily be recognized. You might not like it but if the
shoe fits, wear it!

What a strange answer. You started out by saying that I was wrong, and
then you proceeded to say the same thing!!!

Only to an ignorant fool like yourself are the facts strange!

They thought that attacking Iraq will cause an increase in global terrorism.

They thought wrong! Are you and they so stupid that you think
fighting terrorism will make it increase? Only an idiot would think
doing NOTHING but giving aid and comfort to terrorists like you
do will lessen the chances of a terrorist attack right where you
live. Ignoring it won't make it go away. Only liberals are so stupid
to think that way.

Some US companies are doing very well out of the recent war. Oddly, they
are not only American companies, but they all seem to have very close ties
to the Bush administration.

Show me the books and prove your statements before
you expect anyone to believe you. You continue to repeat
liberal lies and propaganda.

Uh oh!!!! I think that you have just revealed that you are a liberal at
heart. That's a pity. It's more fun argueing with a redneck.

Among all your other ignorance's you now demonstrate you
don't even know the definition of a liberal.

Nobody is claiming that Iraq never possessed WMD. The only issue was the
threat posed by those WMD. If there was no threat, then there was no real
excuse for the war.

Bull****! That's exactly what you sniveling liberals are claiming. You demand
proof of the existence of actual WMD's and when you don't get proof
you say "Bush lied - there are no WMDs". You admit WMDs existed yet
you somehow claim they represent no threat. Even if Saddam destroyed
every WMD the fact the he knows how to built more is enough of a threat
for civilized men in view of the fact that he has already demonstrated a
willingness to use them against his own people. You are just so stupid
and illogical it is beyond belief.

The big question is "Was Bush so stupid that he really believed that Iraqi
WMD posed a threat?" 80% of the world's population did not think so.

And, where do you come up with that figure? It's just more liberal
pie-in-the-sky. It would more logical to claim 80% of the world's
population could care less about what's going on in Iraq. It certainly
would be easier to prove.

The situation in Iraq is under control.

So why is Bush asking for international help??

He's hoping countries lead by sane men will feel at least
a little inclined to do what is RIGHT! What's wrong with
helping an oppressed Iraqi populace to establish a productive
and free country? Why are you and your liberal ilk so against
it?

Maybe you should stop watching Fox! Only the incidents that result in US
deaths are being reported. These are only a small proportion of the total.

I don't watch television. I see what your problem is now if
that's where you get your information.

Nope! So far they have been proved to be absolutely correct. There were
no WMD, and there was no link between Al Q'aeda and Saddam.

Illogical - above you said you never claimed there were no WMDs. As
a matter of fact you said the exact opposite - you can't have it both ways
you hypocrite.

I'm not galled by the situation. I am surprised that the Bush spin machine
has managed to turn this into a left vs right issue, and that they have also
managed to make it a test of "patriotism". Do Republicans really believe
that democrats are not patriotic? If so, then you have some really tough
times ahead.

There are many sensible and patriotic Democrats - not all Democrats
are liberal. It's only the liberal Democrats who are doing the 'spinning".
Liberals are anti-American and that's a proven fact. Try reading Ann
Coulter's new book, "Treason" and you'll understand why I say this.

The Iraqis appear to be becoming more hostile to the occupying forces.
There is also evidence that Al Q'aeda are gaining a foothold in parts of
Iraq. I assume that you can see the irony - Bush says that Iraq needs to be
invaded because Saddam is providing training camps for Al Q'aeda, and the
invasion creates the environment that allows AL Q'aeda to set up shop. This
alone proves that Bush is an idiot.

Negative! It proves President George W. Bush is very savvy
and knows it's much much much better to fight and destroy any
and all terrorists over in Iraq with soldiers than it is to have them
doing their dirty work in our cities. Like the President said, "Bring
'em on!" Let's see how successful Al Queerda is against people
who can and do fight back.

So you must think that the US approves of the terrorist attacks??? Get
real!

As long as the terrorists engage our military in Iraq - BRING THEM ON!
What don't you understand about this. Would you rather be fighting the
same terrorists with your unarmed Bobbies in the streets of London!
Gawd what an ASS!

Many of the terrorists in Iraq were *not* terrorists before the war. There
has been a nett increase in terrorism. Bush will not be able to confine it
to Iraq.

Says who? More liberal lies and wishful thinking. You are actually
admitting you support terrorists with this statement. You are claiming
that terrorism cannot be defeated. You are a cowardly waste of space.

S.Simon - knows Donal is a terrorist sympathizer and proves it.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
I use personal insults because liberal assholes like
you deserve no better.

Nonsense, you use personal insults because your intellect has been stretched
beyond its limits.

If and when you decide
to take terrorism seriously and do something to
fight it instead of supporting it you should be
damned glad that personal insults are the ONLY
thing you are subject to.

Do you really think that I support terrorism? I think not! Once again,
you reveal that your real mission is to subvert the "Bush position". I'm
happy to debate the issue, but if you want to debunk Bush, then you should
do it in your own words. If you want to do it with my words, then you will
have to be a little less obvious.

More comments below.

"Donal" wrote in message
...
What has this to do with the topic?

It has everything to do with the topic because ignorance
can easily be recognized. You might not like it but if the
shoe fits, wear it!

What a strange answer. You started out by saying that I was wrong, and
then you proceeded to say the same thing!!!

Only to an ignorant fool like yourself are the facts strange!

Nonsense! Read it again. We said the same thing.

They thought that attacking Iraq will cause an increase in global
terrorism.

They thought wrong! Are you and they so stupid that you think
fighting terrorism will make it increase?

Wake up! You were fighting Saddam, and not terrorism! Your president's
powers of perception are under scrutiny here. Saddam was no saint, but he
was not an international terrorist! Please feel free to rebut this
assertion with personal abuse, but you really haven't produced any evidence
that Saddam was a threat.

Only an idiot would think
doing NOTHING but giving aid and comfort to terrorists like you
do will lessen the chances of a terrorist attack right where you
live. Ignoring it won't make it go away. Only liberals are so stupid
to think that way.

Good trolling technique! You have accused me of saying something that I did
not say. Lesser mortals than myself might try to argue this point with you.

Some US companies are doing very well out of the recent war. Oddly,
they
are not only American companies, but they all seem to have very close
ties
to the Bush administration.

Show me the books and prove your statements before
you expect anyone to believe you. You continue to repeat
liberal lies and propaganda.

Huh? The facts speak for themselves. Once again, your question sounds like
you are a liberal! Do your own dirty work. I don't have a political agenda
here.

Uh oh!!!! I think that you have just revealed that you are a liberal at
heart. That's a pity. It's more fun argueing with a redneck.

Among all your other ignorance's you now demonstrate you
don't even know the definition of a liberal.

The American definition is different to our definition of the term.

Bull****! That's exactly what you sniveling liberals are claiming. You
demand
proof of the existence of actual WMD's and when you don't get proof
you say "Bush lied - there are no WMDs".

Sorry, but I tried to warn you in an earlier post that I could see that you
were really a Democrat. I am happy to be provoked into making the points
that you would like me to make. However, I am not willing to be such an
obvious stooge. If you want me to make your points for you, then you will
have to get a little better at playing the Republican.

Regards

Donal
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Fact... the USA's reaction to Canada not joining... 3 trips by Celucci the
faggot to tells us we would be punished. [Hah!]
Fact.... imposed trade restrictions against Canada for not joining... fact
... cancelled all meetings by the Whitehouse with Canada... fact... boycott
Canadian products suggested by your government.

Kiss my ass you Dork!

You friggin' whiners are worse than cry babies.

Fact.. since the USA invasion.. crime has sky rocketed by 500 % in Iraq.

CM

"john" wrote in message
om...
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
| "Donal" wrote in message
| ...
| |
| | "john" wrote in message
| | om...
| | If you think you are being clever, you're not. You haven't said one
| | word about his intelligence, or supposed lack of it, but you have
just
| | spoken volumes about your own ignorance and bigotry.
| |
| | Brilliant, John. You are obviously a man who understands what is
going on
| | in the world.
| |
| | Perhaps you can explain why no WMD have been found in Iraq.?
|
| Better yet Donal.... maybe he can explain why the USA is begging for
help
| from the same people it insulted and dismissed for not joining in this
| idiotic fiasco. Seems like failing to achieve objectives is the hallmark
of
| this presidency.
|
| Pure spin. He didnt insult them but he did dismiss them (If they didnt
| want to join, they didnt want to join). There is no "begging for help"
| going on. While it may make you feel good to say that, it is far from
| the case. Bush is simply going to the UN to satisfy the non-stop
| criticism from the left...knowing that they will not agree on
| anything. This is exactly what he's done before. It's amazing how
| short people's memories are.
|
| Last September, Bush used the threat of the UN being irrelevent as a
| means to get 1441 passed. It worked. While the threat of irrelevancy
| is still there, the rhetoric is now being moved to "Who is part of the
| civilized world? France, Germany and the UN are you going to side with
| the barbarians?" To call these people uncivilized is the ultimate
| insult to their way overblown egos.
|
| Thus, the reason for going to the UN is to either expose France and
| Germany for who they really are -- allies of the barbarians -- or
| force them to comply with the "civilized world". Anyone who thinks we
| are going to the UN because we are "failing miserably" in Iraq is
| sadly mistaken. Instead, we are forcing France, Germany and the UN in
| general to play their hand. Bush is either going to get his resolution
| or the UN's inability to be part of the civilized world will render it
| irrelevant. My bet is that Bush will get his resolution just like last
| fall and then some -- perhaps some much needed institutional reform at
| the UN.
|
| This is strategy of the highest order folks. Sun Tzu couldn't have
| done it better himself.
|
|
|
|
|
| Didn't all this start off to stop terrorism? Osama Bin Missin'??
|
| Global Terrorist Attacks Rose 8 Percent in 2000
| http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/01050102.htm
|
| International Terrorist Attacks Fell 44 Percent in 2002
| http://usembassy.state.gov/islamabad/wwwh03050103.html
|
|
|
| CM