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The C&C 34XL 36 footer is the best performance cruiser under 40 feet and under
100K on the used market!

RB

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The C&C 34XL 36 footer is the best performance cruiser under 40 feet and
under 100K on the used market!

No there are 2 better. The Express 30 and the X-Yachts X-332.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

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The C&C 34XL 36 footer is the best performance cruiser under 40 feet and
under 100K on the used market!

No there are 2 better. The Express 30 and the X-Yachts X-332.

The Express 30 has no bunk of reasonable size for someone 6'3. It's far slower
than the C&C 34XL. It's cabin is smaller than the boat I have now! It's a
starter boat.
The X-Yachts reminds me of the C&C 99 with a inferior interior. Neither the
X-Yacht nor the C&C are less than 100K used.

RB

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Bobsprit wrote:
The C&C 34XL 36 footer is the best performance cruiser under 40 feet and
under 100K on the used market!

If that's true, then why did you buy a bargain-basement 32? Sucker!


SAIL LOCO wrote:
No there are 2 better. The Express 30 and the X-Yachts X-332.

I'd say there's QUITE a few more. $99K will buy a LOT of boat & gear, and most
39 footers are going to be both faster and roomier than 30 and 32 footers.

In case anybody has forgotten, Bubbles is nuts!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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First 36.7

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
The C&C 34XL 36 footer is the best performance cruiser under 40 feet and
under 100K on the used market!

No there are 2 better. The Express 30 and the X-Yachts X-332.

The Express 30 has no bunk of reasonable size for someone 6'3. It's far
slower
than the C&C 34XL. It's cabin is smaller than the boat I have now! It's a
starter boat.
The X-Yachts reminds me of the C&C 99 with a inferior interior. Neither
the
X-Yacht nor the C&C are less than 100K used.

RB

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http://www.soundingsonline.com/newadsearch.html
As a subscriber I can attest that they DON'T post all of the boats they list
in the magazine. Just out of curiosity, I ran the search for boats 30'-40'
priced from 0-99k and came up with 400. Question is, why would someone want
to buy a boat that they can't sail competitively? My guess I so that they
can sail faster than much slower boats! Like buying a vette and beating AMC
Pacers at stoplight drag races, then bragging about it. I guess Bubbles is
nuts!
John Cairns
"DSK" wrote in message
...
Bobsprit wrote:
The C&C 34XL 36 footer is the best performance cruiser under 40 feet
and
under 100K on the used market!

If that's true, then why did you buy a bargain-basement 32? Sucker!


SAIL LOCO wrote:
No there are 2 better. The Express 30 and the X-Yachts X-332.

I'd say there's QUITE a few more. $99K will buy a LOT of boat & gear, and
most
39 footers are going to be both faster and roomier than 30 and 32 footers.

In case anybody has forgotten, Bubbles is nuts!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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First 36.7

Nope...another boat built for short sleepers and with a cheaply done interior.

RB

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I ran the search for boats 30'-40'
priced from 0-99k and came up with 400. Question is, why would someone want
to buy a boat that they can't sail competitively?

John, you're not acting too bright. I need a boat where getting a good night's
sleep is possible and without forcing my wife to sleep in another bunk! VERY
few boats under 40 feet have 7 foot bunks. Now throw in the perormance criteria
and not buying a bloated old boat.
Sorry.

RB

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I ran the search for boats 30'-40'
priced from 0-99k and came up with 400. Question is, why would someone want
to buy a boat that they can't sail competitively?


Bobsprit wrote:
John, you're not acting too bright.

Why, becauase he is actually taking a look at what's on the market before making
announcements about 'the best boat'?


I need a boat where getting a good night's
sleep is possible and without forcing my wife to sleep in another bunk! VERY
few boats under 40 feet have 7 foot bunks.

Relatively few boats over 40 feet have 7' bunks. Especially mass-produced boats.

However, it's all out there. If you look hard enough, you'll find.


Now throw in the perormance criteria
and not buying a bloated old boat.

You mean like a bargain-basement leftover that is actually smaller & slower than
your last 'stepping stone' boat?



Sorry.

Yes, you are, Bubbles.... but mostly you're nuts!

DSK

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If you were any kind of sailor you'd realize that
you rarely get a good night's sleep even if your berth
is 10 feet long.

Real sailors sleep with one eye open but you wouldn't
know a thing about that would you?

S.Simon - 40 winks, two or three at a time like a real sailor.


"Bobsprit" wrote in message ...
I ran the search for boats 30'-40'
priced from 0-99k and came up with 400. Question is, why would someone want
to buy a boat that they can't sail competitively?

John, you're not acting too bright. I need a boat where getting a good night's
sleep is possible and without forcing my wife to sleep in another bunk! VERY
few boats under 40 feet have 7 foot bunks. Now throw in the perormance criteria
and not buying a bloated old boat.
Sorry.

RB

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
First 36.7

Nope...another boat built for short sleepers and with a cheaply done
interior.

Tell us about it, Bob.

Does it have a wheel or tiller?
How much bigger is the cabin than a 33.7?



You're the expert! You da man!


Real question..... Why was I not impressed by the 36.7?

Regards


Donal
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1991 Pearson 34 with aft cabin.

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Bobsprit wrote:
John, you're not acting too bright.

Why, becauase he is actually taking a look at what's on the market before
making
announcements about 'the best boat'?

I examined the market carefully. No one has proven otherwise by showing a boat
that does what the 34xl can do.

RB

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Relatively few boats over 40 feet have 7' bunks. Especially mass-produced
boats.

However, it's all out there. If you look hard enough, you'll find.

Yup. Found ONE. The 34xl from C&C.

RB

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1991 Pearson 34 with aft cabin.

aft bunk is WAY too short. Nice boat though.

RB

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On 10 Sep 2003 11:03:50 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap:

The C&C 34XL 36 footer is the best performance cruiser under 40 feet and under
100K on the used market!


You're wrong. It's the best cruiser under 10K on the market.
Anything more and you're getting ripped off.




Ave Imperator Bush!
Bush Was Right! Four More Years!

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I never have trouble getting a good sleep during a long-distance
cruise, although I do agree with you. I seem to attune myself to the
boat and its motion pretty quickly, so if there's a change, especially
if something feels wrong, I wake instantly.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

If you were any kind of sailor you'd realize that
you rarely get a good night's sleep even if your berth
is 10 feet long.

Real sailors sleep with one eye open but you wouldn't
know a thing about that would you?

S.Simon - 40 winks, two or three at a time like a real sailor.


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I ran the search for boats 30'-40'
priced from 0-99k and came up with 400. Question is, why would someone
want
to buy a boat that they can't sail competitively?

John, you're not acting too bright. I need a boat where getting a good
night's
sleep is possible and without forcing my wife to sleep in another bunk!
VERY
few boats under 40 feet have 7 foot bunks. Now throw in the perormance
criteria
and not buying a bloated old boat.
Sorry.

RB

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The Express 30 has no bunk of reasonable size for someone 6'3. It's far
slower than the C&C 34XL. It's cabin is smaller than the boat I have now! It's
a
starter boat.

Except for the speed thing your other 2 comments are off base.

The X-Yachts reminds me of the C&C 99 with a inferior interior. Neither the
X-Yacht nor the C&C are less than 100K used.

The X-Yachts 332 looks nothing like the 99 either on deck or down below or
below the waterline. As far as neither being avail. for less than a hundred
grand just how do you know? Do you know anyone who has bought either one? I
think not. All YOU have seen is advertised prices. According to you a C&C 32
can't be had for less than thirty some grand but you were the only one in the
world who did.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

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According to you a C&C 32
can't be had for less than thirty some grand but you were the only one in the
world who did.

Loco, be a sport and help the 3 people on the C&C list find a 32 for under 30K.
Two of them already made me offers, but I won't sell until end of 2004.
You know nothing about the market!

RB

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slower than the C&C 34XL. It's cabin is smaller than the boat I have now! It's
a
starter boat.

Except for the speed thing your other 2 comments are off base.

The Express 30....It's OLD. It's slower. It's smaller. It's an inexpensive
starter boat. That's the Express.
Oh, and it's a LOT slower.

RB

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Its so typical that you pick one of the worst features of the boat to hinge your claims
on. The aft cabin on the C&C 34XL is a cave with almost no ventilation. There is a tiny
hatch that opens into cockpit foot well, and no way to generate a generous airflow. This
is not a proper berth for adults, it is a playroom for kids.

A proper berth has at least one forward facing, large hatch to scoop in air while at
anchor. Otherwise, the boat is useless for cruising in the tropics, or even in the
summer. My Nonsuch had one large and one small forward facing hatch in the stateroom; my
cat has two large forward facing hatches, plus a smaller side hatch in both staterooms.
If there is the slightest wind at anchor, the cabin is cool all night. (At the dock we
sometimes rigged a windscoop if we weren't facing forward, but hardly ever need at
anchor.)




"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Relatively few boats over 40 feet have 7' bunks. Especially mass-produced
boats.

However, it's all out there. If you look hard enough, you'll find.

Yup. Found ONE. The 34xl from C&C.

RB

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Its so typical that you pick one of the worst features of the boat to hinge
your claims
on. The aft cabin on the C&C 34XL is a cave with almost no ventilation. There
is a tiny
hatch

Ventilation can be improved. Both 36's I was aboard had dealt with this, adding
a second port in the cabin sole wall. With cabin door open, it's fine. Dockside
there's AC of course.

RB

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If there is the slightest wind at anchor, the cabin is cool all night. (At the
dock we
sometimes rigged a windscoop if we weren't facing forward, but hardly ever need
at
anchor.)

We slept aboard many times this summer. We never had a problem sleeping and it
was often cold at night when anchored. A 12 volt fan was used maybe twice.
We always use the main cabin's double.
The "cave" of the 34xl will have to be addressed with some alterations, but
it's better than a bunk that's too small!

RB

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Its so typical that you pick one of the worst features of the boat to hinge
your claims
on.

I listed 8 features. YOU picked the worst one, I guess!!!

The Magic boat sails fast and points high
It's under 40 feet long
It's under 100K used
It's got a shower stall
It's got a large cockpit
It's got a 7 foot long king sized berth aft
It looks like a sailboat
It's less than 15 years old

RB

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Loco, be a sport and help the 3 people on the C&C list find a 32 for under
30K.
Two of them already made me offers, but I won't sell until end of 2004.
You know nothing about the market!

I know enough to not post that some boat can't be had for some price.


S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

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Oh, and it's a LOT slower.

Don't forget that on the water a speed contest between two sailboats consists
of 1/3 boat speed, 1/3 crew work and 1/3 driver. In your case your minus
2/3rds.


S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

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You know nothing about the market!

I know enough to not post that some boat can't be had for some price.

There's two people desperate for a C&C 32 right now on the list. They've both
e-mailed me about selling Alien.
Why not help them out? They've found NO C&C 32s for much less than 35K.

RB

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There's two people desperate for a C&C 32 right now on the list. They've
both
e-mailed me about selling Alien.
Why not help them out? They've found NO C&C 32s for much less than 35K..

Your such a lamo. If not today then tomorrow. I never said any boat could be
bought for any price anytime. Somebody somewhere may be selling a 34XL for
$15k nex week.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

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The Express 30....It's OLD. It's slower. It's smaller. It's an
inexpensive

Buy it's NOT as old, as slow, as small or as inexpensive as YOUR C&C 32. Wamm!


S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

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The Express 30....It's OLD. It's slower. It's smaller. It's an
inexpensive

Buy it's NOT as old, as slow, as small or as inexpensive as YOUR C&C 32.
Wamm!

It's smaller, less cruisable and certainly worth less.... Express 30 is 5-10 K
less than a C&C 32.
And for good reason!

RB

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why'd you nix the first 36.7?


"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
First 36.7

Nope...another boat built for short sleepers and with a cheaply done
interior.

Tell us about it, Bob.

Does it have a wheel or tiller?
How much bigger is the cabin than a 33.7?



You're the expert! You da man!


Real question..... Why was I not impressed by the 36.7?

Regards


Donal
--

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true if you only have $20K to spend otherwise there are many better boats on
the market

The C&C 34XL 36 footer is the best performance cruiser under 40 feet and
under
100K on the used market!

RB

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"Michael Olsen" wrote in message
.net...
why'd you nix the first 36.7?

Every boat represents a compromise of some sort. The easiest compromise to
spot is between cruisers and racers.

A cruising boat will tend to have a bigger cabin. A pure racing boat will
have a big cockpit and a small(if any) cabin.

The 33.7 has very nice accomodation below decks, and yet she performs well.
When I heard that a 36.7 was available I was quite excited. However, when
I saw it I was *very* dissappointed. The 36.7 is almost a pure racing
machine. The accommodation is no bigger than the 33.7's, because the
cockpit extends into the space that could be occupied by the cabin. The
unusual tiller means that a family could not relax in the cockpit, even
though the cockpit is huge.

It all depends on what you want from a boat. I want performance, but I
also want to take my family out sailing. The 33.7 has been perfect for us,
and I'd really like to find a slightly bigger version of the same thing.


Does that answer your question? (if it doesn't, then ask again!)



Regards


Donal
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Why?


Bertie

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"The Captains Nemesis" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 23:20:03 +0100, "Donal"
wrote:

A cruising boat will tend to have a bigger cabin. A pure racing boat
will
have a big cockpit and a small(if any) cabin.

Not possible.
No reputable designer would design a boat with a big cockpit
deliberately, surely they're a massive liability at sea, particularly
when pushing the boat hard in all conditions in a race.

Just ask Cappy....he knows.

There you go, taking the **** out of your "inferiors" again.

I was just trying to give an honest answer.

I hope that when I have your experience, that I don't talk "down" to my
inferiors like you do.

You feel superior. So what?



Regards


Donal
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Here I am taking a dig at my dear old Cappy and you think I'm taking a
shot at you!

A shot at anyone seems almost always to give Donal a flesh wound. But that's
what makes him a fun catch when the fishing is poor.

RB

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He's bleeding so much, I'd be worried about sharks too.

Well, Mooron fancies himself a shark, but he's too far up Donal's pee-hole to
smell the blood!

RB

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| He's bleeding so much, I'd be worried about sharks too.
|
| Well, Mooron fancies himself a shark, but he's too far up Donal's pee-hole
to
| smell the blood!

I attribute it to the fact that when he swims in this pond he doesn't make
sufficent waves to attract my attention. Since you're the self professed
best fisherman around.... try to hook him. If he starts to panic .. I'll be
all over him like a Great White on a Seal!!!

Either that or you could wait until he decides to wear a wetsuit and swim
near a seal colony! :-)

CM

36.7 cockpit
 

That's interesting about the 36.7 cockpit. I had heard the opinion expressed
that for a racer its cockpit was too small...

For example, this review:
http://www.sailinganarchy.com/review...neteau36_7.htm

Michael












"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Michael Olsen" wrote in message
.net...
why'd you nix the first 36.7?

Every boat represents a compromise of some sort. The easiest compromise
to
spot is between cruisers and racers.

A cruising boat will tend to have a bigger cabin. A pure racing boat will
have a big cockpit and a small(if any) cabin.

The 33.7 has very nice accomodation below decks, and yet she performs
well.
When I heard that a 36.7 was available I was quite excited. However,
when
I saw it I was *very* dissappointed. The 36.7 is almost a pure racing
machine. The accommodation is no bigger than the 33.7's, because the
cockpit extends into the space that could be occupied by the cabin. The
unusual tiller means that a family could not relax in the cockpit, even
though the cockpit is huge.

It all depends on what you want from a boat. I want performance, but I
also want to take my family out sailing. The 33.7 has been perfect for
us,
and I'd really like to find a slightly bigger version of the same thing.


Does that answer your question? (if it doesn't, then ask again!)



Regards


Donal
--

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"The Captains Nemesis" wrote in message
...

Ooooh Touchy little devil!!

Read my post again. This time try to imagine a liberal sprinkling of
smilies!

Here I am taking a dig at my dear old Cappy and you think I'm taking a
shot at you!

It's more *fun* that way.


Donal, I may be your superior but you don't need to display your
inferiority so openly.


Why not? You like to feel superior, and it's no skin off my nose to say
that you are indeed superior. I'm just being sensitive to your ego's
nourishment needs.



Regards

Donal
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