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The weather looks great for the weekend....I hope!

Alien will be visiting Norwalk and I'll be hailing Binary Jane on Channel 9
from 11:00 am to 2:00 pm or so.

RB

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Bobsprit wrote:

The weather looks great for the weekend....I hope!

Alien will be visiting Norwalk and I'll be hailing Binary Jane on Channel 9
from 11:00 am to 2:00 pm or so.

Say hello to any Norwalk Islands Sharpies you see for me. Don't
sink any old Laser dinghy you might come across, either (sail No
1 used to live there)

RB

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Say hello to any Norwalk Islands Sharpies you see for me. Don't
sink any old Laser dinghy you might come across, either (sail No
1 used to live there)

Okay! We loaded up the boat's freezer with steak and fish last night, so we're
all set.
I hope someone reminds me to bring fresh batteries for the GPS...

RB

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Bobsprit wrote:
snip
I hope someone reminds me to bring fresh batteries for the GPS...


Why not leave the old ones out in the sun for a while to
recharge?

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Why not leave the old ones out in the sun for a while to
recharge?

I tend to keep them in a charging pyramid, which also keeps fish fresh at room
temp.

RB

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Alien will be visiting Norwalk and I'll be hailing Binary Jane on Channel 9
from 11:00 am to 2:00 pm or so.


I don't think your radio will be able to reach me 50 miles up the
coast.

We may sail further up and my radio really has amazing range. From Execution
Rocks I was able to speak to someone at Morris Cove without too much trouble.

RB

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Bobsprit wrote:

Why not leave the old ones out in the sun for a while to
recharge?

I tend to keep them in a charging pyramid, which also keeps fish fresh at room
temp.


And if you switch to a crystal set, you can sharpen your radar
too.

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We may sail further up and my radio really has amazing range. From Execution
Rocks I was able to speak to someone at Morris Cove without too much trouble.


How do you know they heard you? Did they have an amazing radio also?

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We may sail further up and my radio really has amazing range. From Execution
Rocks I was able to speak to someone at Morris Cove without too much trouble.


How do you know they heard you? Did they have an amazing radio also?

I was able to reach a fellow on a Columbia 36 who had initially alerted me that
there was a guest mooring open. We spoke on channel 9, tried to switch to 68,
but there was too much chatter there.
If your rig can't make 30 miles or more, something's wrong.

RB

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It's not the rig that determines range, it's the radio horizon doofus.

Does your handheld make 30 miles? If not what's wrong with it?




"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
We may sail further up and my radio really has amazing range. From
Execution
Rocks I was able to speak to someone at Morris Cove without too much
trouble.


How do you know they heard you? Did they have an amazing radio also?

I was able to reach a fellow on a Columbia 36 who had initially alerted me
that
there was a guest mooring open. We spoke on channel 9, tried to switch to
68,
but there was too much chatter there.
If your rig can't make 30 miles or more, something's wrong.

RB

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It's not the rig that determines range, it's the radio horizon doofus.

Then how is it that my handheld will reach Oyster Bay set to 5 watts, but not
on 1 watt?

Hmmmmm!???

RB

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Bobsprit wrote:
It's not the rig that determines range, it's the radio horizon
doofus.

Then how is it that my handheld will reach Oyster Bay set to 5 watts,
but not on 1 watt?

How is it that you can have a conversation from Execution Rocks to Morris
Cove using your rig with "amazing range", when the other radio is,
presumably, a standard output? Does your radio really have "amazing range",
or was your example irrelevant?

For the benefit of those of us who are unfamiliar with the area, what is the
distance between Execution Rocks and Morris Cove?


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How is it that you can have a conversation from Execution Rocks to Morris
Cove using your rig with "amazing range", when the other radio is,
presumably, a standard output?

The fellow at Morris cove had a hell of a radio...a very expensive Icom with a
whip at the his masthead. I heard him with some static. somewhat faint. He
apparently heard me better, loud, but said my signal got chopped a few times.
Making a 40-50 mile shout on a VHF is possible. I reach beyond Huntington with
ease where a friend keeps his Cape Dory. His cheap Uniden barely reaches me
however.

RB

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For the benefit of those of us who are unfamiliar with the area, what is the
distance between Execution Rocks and Morris Cove?

Without taking a look, I'd guess 35-40 NM miles or so.

RB

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Bobsprit wrote:
How is it that you can have a conversation from Execution Rocks to
Morris Cove using your rig with "amazing range", when the other radio
is, presumably, a standard output?

The fellow at Morris cove had a hell of a radio...a very expensive
Icom with a whip at the his masthead.

What is the height of the antenna mounting? What length is the whip?


I heard him with some static.
somewhat faint. He apparently heard me better, loud, but said my
signal got chopped a few times. Making a 40-50 mile shout on a VHF is
possible. I reach beyond Huntington with ease where a friend keeps
his Cape Dory. His cheap Uniden barely reaches me however.

What is the height of your antenna mounting? What length is your antenna?


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Please explain to us how to determine the "radio horizon doofus." How is this different
from the "visual horizon doofus"?

Flounder wrote:
It's not the rig that determines range, it's the radio horizon doofus.

Does your handheld make 30 miles? If not what's wrong with it?




"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
We may sail further up and my radio really has amazing range. From
Execution Rocks I was able to speak to someone at Morris Cove
without too much trouble.


How do you know they heard you? Did they have an amazing radio
also?

I was able to reach a fellow on a Columbia 36 who had initially
alerted me that there was a guest mooring open. We spoke on channel
9, tried to switch to 68, but there was too much chatter there.
If your rig can't make 30 miles or more, something's wrong.

RB

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Icom with a whip at the his masthead.

What is the height of the antenna mounting? What length is the whip?

Don't know the height of the Columbia 36 masthead...I'll guess at 45 feet.

RB

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What is the height of your antenna mounting? What length is your antenna?

45 or so. Whip is under two feet, I believe.

RB

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Bobsprit wrote:
What is the height of your antenna mounting? What length is your
antenna?

45 or so. Whip is under two feet, I believe.

Okay, let's give the benefit of the doubt and assume a nominal height of 50
feet for each antenna...

What is the line of sight distance between the two antennae?


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Wally wrote:
Bobsprit wrote:
What is the height of your antenna mounting? What length is your
antenna?

45 or so. Whip is under two feet, I believe.

Okay, let's give the benefit of the doubt and assume a nominal height
of 50 feet for each antenna...

What is the line of sight distance between the two antennae?

Sorry, *maximum* line of sight distance.


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What is the line of sight distance between the two antennae?

I assume you're aware that VHF signals, while mainly line of sight, are capable
of greater range on occasion.

RB

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Bobsprit wrote:
What is the line of sight distance between the two antennae?

I assume you're aware that VHF signals, while mainly line of sight,
are capable of greater range on occasion.

How much greater range, generally speaking?

Should I switch on my handheld and wait for you to hail me? Channel 9, Bob!
I'll be waiting!

No, really, how much greater range?


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No, really, how much greater range?

To be honest, I was quite shocked to make the shout over 40 miles so clearly.
It's the best I've managed.

RB

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Bobsprit wrote:
No, really, how much greater range?

To be honest, I was quite shocked to make the shout over 40 miles so
clearly. It's the best I've managed.

It does seem quite a long way - perhaps the conditions were particularly
favourable. What sort of range does your radio normally manage?


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It does seem quite a long way - perhaps the conditions were particularly
favourable. What sort of range does your radio normally manage?

I can generally make the Oyster Bay area...around 12-15 miles, with ease. I had
steady contact with a friend beyond Huntington for a while, so I'd put average
range at 20-30 miles. Anything above that is a gift in this area.

RB

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Bobsprit wrote:
It does seem quite a long way - perhaps the conditions were
particularly favourable. What sort of range does your radio normally
manage?

I can generally make the Oyster Bay area...around 12-15 miles, with
ease.

Uh-huh.


I had steady contact with a friend beyond Huntington for a
while, so I'd put average range at 20-30 miles.

You talk to people who have masts that are about 250 feet high?


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I had steady contact with a friend beyond Huntington for a
while, so I'd put average range at 20-30 miles.

You talk to people who have masts that are about 250 feet high?

Just about any text I can find lists typical ranges as 5-25 miles,

RB

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Bobsprit wrote:
I had steady contact with a friend beyond Huntington for a
while, so I'd put average range at 20-30 miles.

You talk to people who have masts that are about 250 feet high?

Just about any text I can find lists typical ranges as 5-25 miles,

The range over the horizon is highly dependent on the heights of the
antennae. A couple of twigs at 50 feet have a l-o-s range of a little over
16nm. I'm doubtful that said twigs could 'typically' reach 25nm. However, if
said twigs were each about 100-120 above the water, on ships, say, then 25
miles might be typical.

You, however, claim an *average* of 20-30 miles. The fact that some
situations can produce a typical range of 25 miles in no way substantiates
your claim.


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Up to 800 miles. However, this is very extreme. The phenomena used is atmospheric
ducting, which is common when hot air overrides colder air - very common on the ocean in
the summer.

Also, "line of sight" is a bit misleading, since radio waves (and radar) refract a bit in
the atmosphere, to the horizon is a bit further.

The distance calculation is often given as "1.22 times the sum of the square roots of the
antenna heights." Assuming masts of 49 feet, this lead to a distance of 17 miles.
However, in open water its very common to hear chatter from 25 miles or further. Last
Friday while I was still south of Plymouth, I heard chatter from Salem Bay - maybe 50
miles away.

BTW, there is a theory that very long distance VHF propagation is correlated with
earthquake activity, so if you hear a pickup request from 500 miles away, prepare for a
tsunami!

-jeff


Wally wrote:
Bobsprit wrote:
What is the line of sight distance between the two antennae?

I assume you're aware that VHF signals, while mainly line of sight,
are capable of greater range on occasion.

How much greater range, generally speaking?

Should I switch on my handheld and wait for you to hail me? Channel
9, Bob! I'll be waiting!

No, really, how much greater range?

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You, however, claim an *average* of 20-30 miles. The fact that some
situations can produce a typical range of 25 miles in no way substantiates
your claim.

Sorry, Wally. You can call me a liar all you want. The transmissions were made
and recieved.
Anyone is welcome to come on down for a demo.

RB

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Assuming masts of 49 feet, this lead to a distance of 17 miles.
However, in open water its very common to hear chatter from 25 miles or
further. Last
Friday while I was still south of Plymouth, I heard chatter from Salem Bay -
maybe 50
miles away.

And there you have it, folks. Wall, I doubt you'll admit you were wrong.
But you are.

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It's the noise figure of the receiver you are transmitting to doofus.



"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
It's not the rig that determines range, it's the radio horizon doofus.

Then how is it that my handheld will reach Oyster Bay set to 5 watts, but
not
on 1 watt?

Hmmmmm!???

RB

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ahahahaaahaahaahaahaaaa!!!!!

You can easily reach the space shuttle with that power and frequency. In
fact, you should be able to trip geosynchronous satellites too.

Buffoon you are!


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
No, really, how much greater range?

To be honest, I was quite shocked to make the shout over 40 miles so
clearly.
It's the best I've managed.

RB

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Because your fat head absorbs the signal. It really does.



"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
It's not the rig that determines range, it's the radio horizon doofus.

Then how is it that my handheld will reach Oyster Bay set to 5 watts, but
not
on 1 watt?

Hmmmmm!???

RB

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Wally appears to be caught in the Mooron syndrome.
VHF will cover commonly up to about 80miles, that's why you use Lo Po
if comms are possible at shorter range on Lo Po.

Well, I've never gotten a signal 80 miles. Too much chatter here to even have a
chance at that. But the 40-50 mile shout has happened.
I see wally is very quiet. I guess he's not the sort of man who steps up the
plate and says he was mistaken. Oh well.

RB

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Bobsprit wrote:
Wally appears to be caught in the Mooron syndrome.
VHF will cover commonly up to about 80miles, that's why you use Lo Po
if comms are possible at shorter range on Lo Po.

Well, I've never gotten a signal 80 miles. Too much chatter here to
even have a chance at that. But the 40-50 mile shout has happened.
I see wally is very quiet. I guess he's not the sort of man who steps
up the plate and says he was mistaken. Oh well.

I do have a boat to paint, which is where I've been. It would appear that
there is more to radio than meets the horizon.


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Visual line of sight is 16.55 nautical miles
krj

Wally wrote:
Bobsprit wrote:

What is the height of your antenna mounting? What length is your
antenna?

45 or so. Whip is under two feet, I believe.


Okay, let's give the benefit of the doubt and assume a nominal height of 50
feet for each antenna...

What is the line of sight distance between the two antennae?


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It looks like you're using a height of 46 feet and a coefficient of 1.22. This is the
correct answer to the problem, not that its particularly relevent to how for Boobie could
transmit. However, its the Radio line of sight, not the Visual.

Distance to the visual horizon uses a coeficient of 1.17.

Kelton Joyner wrote:
Visual line of sight is 16.55 nautical miles
krj

Wally wrote:
Bobsprit wrote:

What is the height of your antenna mounting? What length is your
antenna?

45 or so. Whip is under two feet, I believe.


Okay, let's give the benefit of the doubt and assume a nominal
height of 50 feet for each antenna...

What is the line of sight distance between the two antennae?


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Alien will be visiting Norwalk

In the simulated mode.


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We may sail further up and my radio really has amazing range in the
simulation mode.
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