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The trouble with OMBO and IBS
The trouble with one man bridge operation (OMB0) on large ships is
one man cannot possibly pay enough attention all the time he's on watch. Rather than making navigation safer these integrated bridge systems (IBS) make it more dangerous. You can have an IBS costing in the millions and still the weak link in the chain is the human factor. OMBO exists for one reason and one reason only - to save the shipping company money by cutting vital personnel. As demonstrated here in this very group by people such as otnmbrd, Shen44 and Jeff Morris the weak link can be weak indeed. Increased safety, increased cost-saving and increased efficiency in navigation are the major concerns for all vessels so Furuno sells systems that make Furuno lots of money but actually make navigation more dangerous because Furuno doesn't recognize the weak link in the system - the Ocean Master. S.Simon (A Captain who takes sailing seriously) references: http://www.furuno.co.jp/english/mari...r/voyager.html |
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The trouble with OMBO and IBS
On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:27:02 -0400, "Simple Simon" wrote:
The trouble with one man bridge operation (OMB0) on large ships is one man cannot possibly pay enough attention all the time he's on watch. Rather than making navigation safer these integrated bridge systems (IBS) make it more dangerous. You can have an IBS costing in the millions and still the weak link in the chain is the human factor. OMBO exists for one reason and one reason only - to save the shipping company money by cutting vital personnel. As demonstrated here in this very group by people such as otnmbrd, Shen44 and Jeff Morris the weak link can be weak indeed. Increased safety, increased cost-saving and increased efficiency in navigation are the major concerns for all vessels so Furuno sells systems that make Furuno lots of money but actually make navigation more dangerous because Furuno doesn't recognize the weak link in the system - the Ocean Master. S.Simon (A Captain who takes sailing seriously) references: http://www.furuno.co.jp/english/mari...r/voyager.html If it's any consolation, I have problems with OMBO on my little 21' Proline, occasionally. John On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD |
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The trouble with OMBO and IBS
"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:27:02 -0400, "Simple Simon" wrote: The trouble with one man bridge operation (OMB0) on large ships is one man cannot possibly pay enough attention all the time he's on watch. Rather than making navigation safer these integrated bridge systems (IBS) make it more dangerous. You can have an IBS costing in the millions and still the weak link in the chain is the human factor. OMBO exists for one reason and one reason only - to save the shipping company money by cutting vital personnel. As demonstrated here in this very group by people such as otnmbrd, Shen44 and Jeff Morris the weak link can be weak indeed. Increased safety, increased cost-saving and increased efficiency in navigation are the major concerns for all vessels so Furuno sells systems that make Furuno lots of money but actually make navigation more dangerous because Furuno doesn't recognize the weak link in the system - the Ocean Master. S.Simon (A Captain who takes sailing seriously) references: http://www.furuno.co.jp/english/mari...r/voyager.html If it's any consolation, I have problems with OMBO on my little 21' Proline, occasionally. Maybe you should consider drinking fewer beers? ;-) |
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The trouble with OMBO and IBS
On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:50:43 -0400, "Simple Simon" wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 14:27:02 -0400, "Simple Simon" wrote: The trouble with one man bridge operation (OMB0) on large ships is one man cannot possibly pay enough attention all the time he's on watch. Rather than making navigation safer these integrated bridge systems (IBS) make it more dangerous. You can have an IBS costing in the millions and still the weak link in the chain is the human factor. OMBO exists for one reason and one reason only - to save the shipping company money by cutting vital personnel. As demonstrated here in this very group by people such as otnmbrd, Shen44 and Jeff Morris the weak link can be weak indeed. Increased safety, increased cost-saving and increased efficiency in navigation are the major concerns for all vessels so Furuno sells systems that make Furuno lots of money but actually make navigation more dangerous because Furuno doesn't recognize the weak link in the system - the Ocean Master. S.Simon (A Captain who takes sailing seriously) references: http://www.furuno.co.jp/english/mari...r/voyager.html If it's any consolation, I have problems with OMBO on my little 21' Proline, occasionally. Maybe you should consider drinking fewer beers? ;-) Don't drink - only water. Maybe I need an IBS though. John On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD |
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The trouble with OMBO and IBS
"JohnH" wrote in message ... Don't drink - only water. Maybe I need an IBS though. Why? So you can crash into something while fiddling with all the knobs? |
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The trouble with OMBO and IBS
Have you ever travelled with anything other than OMBO?
And if you take sailing so seriously, why did you never get the sailing endorsement on your license? Simple Simon wrote: The trouble with one man bridge operation (OMB0) on large ships is one man cannot possibly pay enough attention all the time he's on watch. Rather than making navigation safer these integrated bridge systems (IBS) make it more dangerous. You can have an IBS costing in the millions and still the weak link in the chain is the human factor. OMBO exists for one reason and one reason only - to save the shipping company money by cutting vital personnel. As demonstrated here in this very group by people such as otnmbrd, Shen44 and Jeff Morris the weak link can be weak indeed. Increased safety, increased cost-saving and increased efficiency in navigation are the major concerns for all vessels so Furuno sells systems that make Furuno lots of money but actually make navigation more dangerous because Furuno doesn't recognize the weak link in the system - the Ocean Master. S.Simon (A Captain who takes sailing seriously) references: http://www.furuno.co.jp/english/mari...r/voyager.html |
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The trouble with OMBO and IBS
My little, 27-foot sailboat doesn't need a full crew to operate
safely while a giant ship DOES. Say, for instance, what if the one man at the bridge suffers a stroke or heart attack? How many hours will the ship operate on instruments alone and how many collisions will result? How many deaths of innocents aboard other ships - possibly a cruise ship with thousands aboard? It WILL happen sooner or later. There needs to be a legal minimum of three qualified men on the bridge at all times. One lone man does not cut the mustard. It's criminal that so-called professional captains allow this abuse of safety. It's even worse that the Coast Guard doesn't do something about it on American flagged vessels, at least. Deaths caused by OMMO on American flagged vessels will ultimately rest on the Coast Guard's shoulders. The FAA, at least, has it's act together. One pilot doesn't get it on large commercial aircraft. Two and a navigator are the minimum. It should be the same aboard large ships. That's the main difference. If Shen44 and otnmbrd were more motivated by safety and less motivated by greed they would strike and refuse, along with all sane captains, to operate a huge motor vessel single-handed. But, noooooooooo, they add to the dangerous situation rather than act to diffuse it. As for your question about my getting a sailing endorsement . . . A sailing endorsement is not needed at this time. I know the answers to all the questions so I have the same knowledge with or without the endorsement. I definitely have the experience needed as well. Since I'm not taking passengers for hire aboard my yacht at this time a sailing endorsement is rather like teats on a boarhog. So, quit trying to change the subject and stick to the topic for once. You know in your heart I'm right about OMBO. I bet even Shen agrees. But that otnmbrd - he hasn't a clue. S.Simon - a Captain who is serious about sailing "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... Have you ever travelled with anything other than OMBO? And if you take sailing so seriously, why did you never get the sailing endorsement on your license? Simple Simon wrote: The trouble with one man bridge operation (OMB0) on large ships is one man cannot possibly pay enough attention all the time he's on watch. Rather than making navigation safer these integrated bridge systems (IBS) make it more dangerous. You can have an IBS costing in the millions and still the weak link in the chain is the human factor. OMBO exists for one reason and one reason only - to save the shipping company money by cutting vital personnel. As demonstrated here in this very group by people such as otnmbrd, Shen44 and Jeff Morris the weak link can be weak indeed. Increased safety, increased cost-saving and increased efficiency in navigation are the major concerns for all vessels so Furuno sells systems that make Furuno lots of money but actually make navigation more dangerous because Furuno doesn't recognize the weak link in the system - the Ocean Master. S.Simon (A Captain who takes sailing seriously) references: http://www.furuno.co.jp/english/mari...r/voyager.html |
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The trouble with OMBO and IBS
I'll agree - I am a bit troubled by OMBO. However, the books are filled with screwups on
all sizes of boats, both pleasure and commercial, with full bridges as well as empty ones. Having extra hands doesn't guarantee results - just consider the QEII grounding. As for the FAA, I don't beleive a navigator is required any longer - I think the flight crew on most jets is just the pilot and co-pilot. And if the sailing endorsement is useless, so is your license. Or do you have visions of using it to drive a water taxi? Simple Simon wrote: My little, 27-foot sailboat doesn't need a full crew to operate safely while a giant ship DOES. Say, for instance, what if the one man at the bridge suffers a stroke or heart attack? How many hours will the ship operate on instruments alone and how many collisions will result? How many deaths of innocents aboard other ships - possibly a cruise ship with thousands aboard? It WILL happen sooner or later. There needs to be a legal minimum of three qualified men on the bridge at all times. One lone man does not cut the mustard. It's criminal that so-called professional captains allow this abuse of safety. It's even worse that the Coast Guard doesn't do something about it on American flagged vessels, at least. Deaths caused by OMMO on American flagged vessels will ultimately rest on the Coast Guard's shoulders. The FAA, at least, has it's act together. One pilot doesn't get it on large commercial aircraft. Two and a navigator are the minimum. It should be the same aboard large ships. That's the main difference. If Shen44 and otnmbrd were more motivated by safety and less motivated by greed they would strike and refuse, along with all sane captains, to operate a huge motor vessel single-handed. But, noooooooooo, they add to the dangerous situation rather than act to diffuse it. As for your question about my getting a sailing endorsement . . . A sailing endorsement is not needed at this time. I know the answers to all the questions so I have the same knowledge with or without the endorsement. I definitely have the experience needed as well. Since I'm not taking passengers for hire aboard my yacht at this time a sailing endorsement is rather like teats on a boarhog. So, quit trying to change the subject and stick to the topic for once. You know in your heart I'm right about OMBO. I bet even Shen agrees. But that otnmbrd - he hasn't a clue. S.Simon - a Captain who is serious about sailing "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... Have you ever travelled with anything other than OMBO? And if you take sailing so seriously, why did you never get the sailing endorsement on your license? Simple Simon wrote: The trouble with one man bridge operation (OMB0) on large ships is one man cannot possibly pay enough attention all the time he's on watch. Rather than making navigation safer these integrated bridge systems (IBS) make it more dangerous. You can have an IBS costing in the millions and still the weak link in the chain is the human factor. OMBO exists for one reason and one reason only - to save the shipping company money by cutting vital personnel. As demonstrated here in this very group by people such as otnmbrd, Shen44 and Jeff Morris the weak link can be weak indeed. Increased safety, increased cost-saving and increased efficiency in navigation are the major concerns for all vessels so Furuno sells systems that make Furuno lots of money but actually make navigation more dangerous because Furuno doesn't recognize the weak link in the system - the Ocean Master. S.Simon (A Captain who takes sailing seriously) references: http://www.furuno.co.jp/english/mari...r/voyager.html |
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"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... And if the sailing endorsement is useless, so is your license. Or do you have visions of using it to drive a water taxi? I don't see how you can claim my license is useless without a sail endorsement. My Master's license allows me to take people out on an aux/sail boat and charge them money to do it. Whether I start the motor or not my Master's license is sufficient to make me a legal operation. The only way I'm not legal is if I attempt to captain a pure sailing vessel for hire. Yours is a common misconception about the sailing endorsement. Actually, the sailing endorsement is almost useless because there are really so few sailboats large enough to charter that don't have motors. I hope I've been of some help here. S.Simon - a Captain who is serious about sailing |
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The trouble with OMBO and IBS
ROFL I'd love to be a fly on the bulkhead, the day you try to sling this
lame excuse at Uncle Sammies USCG. You're license is useless, Neal, like it or lump it .... course considering the person holding it....... Simple Simon wrote: "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... And if the sailing endorsement is useless, so is your license. Or do you have visions of using it to drive a water taxi? I don't see how you can claim my license is useless without a sail endorsement. My Master's license allows me to take people out on an aux/sail boat and charge them money to do it. Whether I start the motor or not my Master's license is sufficient to make me a legal operation. The only way I'm not legal is if I attempt to captain a pure sailing vessel for hire. Yours is a common misconception about the sailing endorsement. Actually, the sailing endorsement is almost useless because there are really so few sailboats large enough to charter that don't have motors. I hope I've been of some help here. S.Simon - a Captain who is serious about sailing |
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