Nutsy,

Your post @ 9/1/03 said the J24 I'm sailing Thursday prodably has RF. If
you've never seen one installed then why in the hell would you make a
statement like that?

So now, is this the time for the stupid modifying troll replies? If it
is, don't bother on my account, I won't be reading your replies for
awhile.
AND; "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!"

OT

Thing is Billy, the notes he was taking were so he'd remember your
comments.

Don't forget, Ozzy...Billy Jane sails a serious racing machine...the C&C 27.

RB

I'm beginning to get it now.
You do ring your sailmaker and get him to come down and go for a sail
in a variety of conditions so he can see jus how you sail and design a
nice set of cruising sails tailored to your particular way of sailing.
He makes all the right noises, drinks your beer, makes a few notes,
accepts your offer to dinner, then delivers the sails in a couple of
weeks.
Of course he goes for a sail, drinks your beers, makes some more
notes, accepts your offer to dinner and humbly accepts your praise on
how well the sails suit your boat and driving style.

Thing is Billy, the notes he was taking were so he'd remember your
comments.
He didn't want to forget one single word you said when he gets back to
the loft and the whole bunch sit around laughing their heads off at
the sucker they just reeled in!!!
Then they'll get back to the computer and bring up the templates for
the next set of "custom" sails, lay the cloth out on the table, turn
on the air and watch the plotter mark it up.

I made my sailmaker come down to my boat three times and we had many phone
calls and emails to go over details. He measured my rig completely and we
discussed the type of sailing I do. When the sails were done he fitted them
and had to take them back because the reefing pulls were on the wrong side for
the Dutchman. We went over the ways in which my sails differed from the stock
sails delivered on an IP, a dedicated cruising boat. Details in a cruising
sail matter also, and you gotta make sure you get what you want.

We went over the ways in which my sails differed from the stock
sails delivered on an IP, a dedicated cruising boat. Details in a cruising
sail matter also, and you gotta make sure you get what you want.

Skitch, most sailmakers will come down to a boat if the owner wants, but the
"norm" is computer template sails for most. Sailing is dominated by Catalinas,
hunters and other popular boats that rarely get a visit from a loft. Ask Mark
at Doyle or Bill and UK how many boats he visits. They couldn't make money
unless they had a giant cut-and-ship business.

RB

Don't forget, Ozzy...Billy Jane sails a serious racing machine...the C&C 27.

RB

Maybe his sailmaker build big baggy sails so Billy can reach all those
downwind ports quickly.

I could save Billy Jane a small fortune on sails, but then what would he do
with them?

RB

What do you do with your sails other than flap the wind-up
jib to death while motoring while you keep the sail cover on
the mainsail like you keep the cover on your compass.
Can't wear out that mainsail by using it now can we?

Bwahahahahaha!

S.Simon - a Captain who takes sailing seriously


"Bobsprit" wrote in message ...
Don't forget, Ozzy...Billy Jane sails a serious racing machine...the C&C 27.

RB

Maybe his sailmaker build big baggy sails so Billy can reach all those
downwind ports quickly.

I could save Billy Jane a small fortune on sails, but then what would he do
with them?

RB

What do you do with your sails other than flap the wind-up

Don't be mad because I'm running the group again, Neal!
You're just not being creative enough. Take a deep breath and try again.

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| We went over the ways in which my sails differed from the stock
| sails delivered on an IP, a dedicated cruising boat. Details in a
cruising
| sail matter also, and you gotta make sure you get what you want.
|
| Skitch, most sailmakers will come down to a boat if the owner wants, but
the
| "norm" is computer template sails for most. Sailing is dominated by
Catalinas,
| hunters and other popular boats that rarely get a visit from a loft. Ask
Mark
| at Doyle or Bill and UK how many boats he visits. They couldn't make money
| unless they had a giant cut-and-ship business.

Now ain't that odd. I ordered an off the shelf with 3 reef points. They said
they had the template and I confirmed the measurements via fax. I sent the
sail back 3 times. The loft finally flew a rep up from Vancouver to
Yellowknife and found out their measurements were not correct. I did feel
sorry for the guy and arranged for him to meet some other people who were
considering buying new sails. He measured and discussed their specifics with
them and returned with orders for a few other sails. Mine arrived again and
fit. They decided to send a rep up every year after that.

CM

Now ain't that odd. I ordered an off the shelf with 3 reef points. They said
they had the template and I confirmed the measurements via fax. I sent the
sail back 3 times.

Thanks for making my point, mooron. If I had a boat like yours I'd INSIST on a
visit from a loft. It's not a well known rig. You see, that's why I mentioned
the Catalina and Hunters.
You were exceedingly dumb to try to mail order sails for your boat.

Must you learn everything through failure, Mooron?

RB

"Capt. Mooron" wrote:


Now ain't that odd. I ordered an off the shelf with 3 reef points. They said
they had the template and I confirmed the measurements via fax. I sent the
sail back 3 times. The loft finally flew a rep up from Vancouver to
Yellowknife and found out their measurements were not correct.

Didn't you confirm the measurements by fax? What was screwed up?

The sail dimensions for the Hunter 19 are about 6 inches too short on the foot
and 10 inches too short on the luff, so as to make them cheaper. When I ordered
a set of custom sails, I measured the rig and sent the a very complete diagram
to the sailmaker.

Personally, I think that "cheap" is not a benefit when ordering new sails. You
want good sails, you gotta pay for 'em. Otherwise go down to the secondhand bin
and pick through the cast-offs... they are almost free. And almost worth it.



I did feel
sorry for the guy and arranged for him to meet some other people who were
considering buying new sails. He measured and discussed their specifics with
them and returned with orders for a few other sails. Mine arrived again and
fit. They decided to send a rep up every year after that.

Many sailmakers will visit out-of-the-way sailing clubs in person to drum up
business and do a little coaching. Apparently your club is a little too
out-of-the-way!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King