Bwahahahaha!
 

http://www.thelognewspaper.com/news/...ew.asp?c=69150


RB

Bwahahahaha!
 

I wonder if the mast will be lowered just in case the boat settles in an
upright position.
--
Scout
"Knowing the storm is coming just makes me nervous."


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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http://www.thelognewspaper.com/news/...ew.asp?c=69150


RB

Bwahahahaha!
 

I wonder if the mast will be lowered just in case the boat settles in an
upright position.

If depth is great, then she'll be left as-is.

RB

Bwahahahaha!
 

I didn't realize those Coronado's were so heavy! No wonder they can't
manuver...

Which one is the Coronado?

RB

Bwahahahaha!
 

I think I saw 50' in that area. I would guess currents would push it over
unless it "weather-vanes"
--
Scout
"Knowing the storm is coming only makes me more nervous."


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I wonder if the mast will be lowered just in case the boat settles in an
upright position.

If depth is great, then she'll be left as-is.

RB

Bwahahahaha!
 

Which one is the Coronado?

RB

When you post news items, you might try reading them first.

Best stick to knock-knock jokes, mister pretend sailor!

RB

Radar
 

Yeah... the sailboat when he panicked.... and you with the assumption
everyone out there knows what they're doing because they can afford a boat!

CM

"NH_/)_" wrote in message
...
| How can that happen if you guys have all that Navigational equipment and
| charts
| you have been blasting about? Not to mention the GOV has better equipment
| than
| the public. The sailboat was small yes... but it still should have been
| picked up
| on radar. Somebody did a major F-up.
|
| NH_/)_
| --
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| _/ ] _\ _
| ~~"~~~~^~~
|
|
| "Bobsprit" wrote in message
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| http://www.thelognewspaper.com/news/...ew.asp?c=69150
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| RB
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Radar
 

I have been boating for years. Although there is some truth in what you
say.
If a person whom never had much experience gets out there -- oooh ya fun
time.
but still -- somebody F-up. not sure if it was the war ship or the sailboat?
maybe both.

NH_/)_

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
Yeah... the sailboat when he panicked.... and you with the assumption
everyone out there knows what they're doing because they can afford a
boat!

CM

"NH_/)_" wrote in message
...
| How can that happen if you guys have all that Navigational equipment and
| charts
| you have been blasting about? Not to mention the GOV has better
equipment
| than
| the public. The sailboat was small yes... but it still should have been
| picked up
| on radar. Somebody did a major F-up.
|
| NH_/)_
| --
| .~
| / | \
| _/ ] _\ _
| ~~"~~~~^~~
|
|
| "Bobsprit" wrote in message
| ...
| http://www.thelognewspaper.com/news/...ew.asp?c=69150
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|
| RB
|
|
|

Radar
 

The simple fact that the size difference in the ships is more than just
noticeable... the blame would be on the sailboater... he probably is one of
those who assumes that a sailboat always has the right of way.

CM

"NH_/)_" wrote in message
...
| I have been boating for years. Although there is some truth in what you
| say.
| If a person whom never had much experience gets out there -- oooh ya fun
| time.
| but still -- somebody F-up. not sure if it was the war ship or the
sailboat?
| maybe both.
|
| NH_/)_
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
| Yeah... the sailboat when he panicked.... and you with the assumption
| everyone out there knows what they're doing because they can afford a
| boat!
|
| CM
|
| "NH_/)_" wrote in message
| ...
| | How can that happen if you guys have all that Navigational equipment
and
| | charts
| | you have been blasting about? Not to mention the GOV has better
| equipment
| | than
| | the public. The sailboat was small yes... but it still should have
been
| | picked up
| | on radar. Somebody did a major F-up.
| |
| | NH_/)_
| | --
| | .~
| | / | \
| | _/ ] _\ _
| | ~~"~~~~^~~
| |
| |
| | "Bobsprit" wrote in message
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| | RB
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Bwahahahaha!
 

Best stick to knock-knock jokes, mister pretend sailor!

RB

The warship was named, "Coronado"

No! Really!
Idiot!

RB

Bwahahahaha!
 

Yes, you "really!" being an "idiot!"

Hung up on Phonics again!

Bwahaha!

RB

Bwahahahaha!
 

Bwahaha!

RB

You misspelled "phonies"

Hey, Billy jane said something clever!

RB

Bwahahahaha!
 

"The Captains Master" wrote in message
...

Jesus Bill, you really are thicker than a post eh?


Dear me! Are you not able to insult anybody without using blasphemy?

The same effect can be easily achieved with the use of "Geeeze".


Regards


Donal
--

Radar
 

anonymous wrote in
:

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:04:13 GMT, "NH_/\)_"
said:

The sailboat was small yes... but it still should have been
picked up
on radar. Somebody did a major F-up.

Having spent a few years on the bridge of a naval vessel I can tell
you that sailboats often don't show up on radar. 'Course it's been a
few years for me, and maybe the Navy's radar has improved since my
time.


not enough to spot an inflatable, though, eh?

Berti e

Radar
 

On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 00:25:00 +0000, when the end of the tunnel became
apparent, Bertie the Bunyip posted:

anonymous wrote in
:

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:04:13 GMT, "NH_/\)_"
said:

The sailboat was small yes... but it still should have been
picked up
on radar. Somebody did a major F-up.

Having spent a few years on the bridge of a naval vessel I can tell
you that sailboats often don't show up on radar. 'Course it's been a
few years for me, and maybe the Navy's radar has improved since my
time.


not enough to spot an inflatable, though, eh?

Berti e

An inflatable doll you mean?

That's all those sweet water sailors have been sailing,
of course !!!



--
mhm 27x12

Radar
 

"/etc" wrote in
:

On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 00:25:00 +0000, when the end of the tunnel became
apparent, Bertie the Bunyip posted:

anonymous wrote in
:

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:04:13 GMT, "NH_/\)_"
said:

The sailboat was small yes... but it still should have been
picked up
on radar. Somebody did a major F-up.

Having spent a few years on the bridge of a naval vessel I can tell
you that sailboats often don't show up on radar. 'Course it's been a
few years for me, and maybe the Navy's radar has improved since my
time.


not enough to spot an inflatable, though, eh?

Berti e

An inflatable doll you mean?

That's all those sweet water sailors have been sailing,
of course !!!


Somehow, i think that few of them would be in need of an inflatible doll.

Berti e

Radar
 

On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 01:01:16 +0000, when the end of the tunnel became
apparent, Bertie the Bunyip posted:

"/etc" wrote in
:

On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 00:25:00 +0000, when the end of the tunnel became
apparent, Bertie the Bunyip posted:

anonymous wrote in
:

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:04:13 GMT, "NH_/\)_"
said:

The sailboat was small yes... but it still should have been
picked up
on radar. Somebody did a major F-up.

Having spent a few years on the bridge of a naval vessel I can tell
you that sailboats often don't show up on radar. 'Course it's been a
few years for me, and maybe the Navy's radar has improved since my
time.


not enough to spot an inflatable, though, eh?

Berti e

An inflatable doll you mean?

That's all those sweet water sailors have been sailing,
of course !!!


Somehow, i think that few of them would be in need of an inflatible doll.

Sure, a mellon will do for the most of them !
if it isn't to ripe though!!


Berti e

--
mhm 27x12

Radar
 

Subject: Radar
From: "NH_/\)_"
Date: 08/28/2003 08:14 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

I have been boating for years. Although there is some truth in what you
say.
If a person whom never had much experience gets out there -- oooh ya fun
time.
but still -- somebody F-up. not sure if it was the war ship or the sailboat?
maybe both.

NH_/)_

99% the sailboat

Radar
 

Thanks a reply I was waiting for

NH_/)_


"anonymous" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:04:13 GMT, "NH_/\)_"
said:

The sailboat was small yes... but it still should have been
picked up
on radar. Somebody did a major F-up.

Having spent a few years on the bridge of a naval vessel I can tell you
that
sailboats often don't show up on radar. 'Course it's been a few years for
me, and maybe the Navy's radar has improved since my time.

Radar
 

Subject: Radar
From: "NH_/\)_"
Date: 08/28/2003 20:08 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


Thanks a reply I was waiting for

NH_/)_


"anonymous" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:04:13 GMT, "NH_/\)_"
said:

The sailboat was small yes... but it still should have been
picked up
on radar. Somebody did a major F-up.

Having spent a few years on the bridge of a naval vessel I can tell you
that
sailboats often don't show up on radar. 'Course it's been a few years for
me, and maybe the Navy's radar has improved since my time.


If that sailboat didn't show up on radar, it wasn't turned on. However, the
"Mark I" eyeball should have been working well, considering all the people on
"lookout" aboard a USN ship running the channel.

Radar
 

Don't think there was any question that the sailboat was 'seen'.

''Both the submarine and the Coronado issued warning signals to the
sailboat, the Navy said, and the Coronado took evasive action in order to
avoid a collision.''


BTW, why does bob**** think this story is funny?

Scotty


"Shen44" wrote in message
...

The sailboat was small yes... but it still should have been
picked up
on radar. Somebody did a major F-up.

Having spent a few years on the bridge of a naval vessel I can tell you
that
sailboats often don't show up on radar. 'Course it's been a few years
for
me, and maybe the Navy's radar has improved since my time.


If that sailboat didn't show up on radar, it wasn't turned on. However,
the
"Mark I" eyeball should have been working well, considering all the people
on
"lookout" aboard a USN ship running the channel.

Radar
 

I've never used "big ship" radar and I don't now the specs for them, so I'm curious if
they have the same beam width issue as recreational radar.

The Beam Width on the small Raymarine units is 25 degrees, which means there is a blind
spot with a radius roughly 5 times the height of the antenna. From that picture, assuming
a 50 foot mast, the radar looks about 150 off the water, which could imply the boat is
"below the radar" when its several hundred yards away.

In addition, radar usually "blanks out" the processing for very short range - I forget the
distance but I think it was around 50 to 100 feet for small radars.

So I'm curious: is it possible that a small sailboat could be "invisible" to radar once it
get close to a large ship?

jeff

"Shen44" wrote in message
...
Subject: Radar
From: "NH_/\)_"
Date: 08/28/2003 20:08 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


Thanks a reply I was waiting for

NH_/)_


"anonymous" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:04:13 GMT, "NH_/\)_"
said:

The sailboat was small yes... but it still should have been
picked up
on radar. Somebody did a major F-up.

Having spent a few years on the bridge of a naval vessel I can tell you
that
sailboats often don't show up on radar. 'Course it's been a few years for
me, and maybe the Navy's radar has improved since my time.


If that sailboat didn't show up on radar, it wasn't turned on. However, the
"Mark I" eyeball should have been working well, considering all the people on
"lookout" aboard a USN ship running the channel.

Radar
 

So I'm curious: is it possible that a small sailboat could be "invisible" to
radar once it
get close to a large ship?

jeff

Absolutely.
You will need one of the "techies" to spell out the numbers, but, one factor
which may help, is the size of the "scanner" used on ships (techies?).
I read where a minimum of 25' was possible, but not practical, so that the
number in reality is somewhat higher.
However, there are other factors which play an important part, and these
include shipboard structures causing blind spots.
If you look at the positioning of scanners on many ships, you will note things
such as containers, stacks, cargo gear, which are in the way.
On most ships, there is a diagram on the bridge, which shows potential blind
spots, and on most ships, you will find one astern.
In many cases, an additional scanner has been installed, close to the bow (and
in some cases, close to the stern) where there is a known and serious blind
spot.
When passing between 2 buoys (300' spacing) on 1/4 mi range (I rarely drop that
low) from a ship, I will normally (not always) lose radar sight, after I start
passing through them ... in many cases they may still be there, but they blend
in and are not overly useful.

lotsa variables

Shen

Radar
 

C'mon, you're supposed to be a professional?

It's Furuno not Furano!

http://www.furuno.co.jp/english/index.html

S.Simon
(a Master who takes sailing seriously)


"Shen44" wrote in message ...
Since Jeff had asked, this morning on an inbound I paid close attention to the
radar, using the 3cm set, rather than the 10cm.
Ship was about 560' with a 90' beam, radar, somewhat aft.
Going down the entrance channel, I at no time lost sight of the buoys as I
passed them (on radar ... lost them visually from centerline, G) and was also
able to watch a tug come alongside forward and still see him when he was
alongside (although his target was a blended hump on the side of own ship).
BTW, you do get a picture of your own ship, fwd of the scanner, especially when
the radar is aft.
So, in this case, I would have to say that the small boat could be seen until
it was hit, but this particular radar setup I know, was, above average in it's
picture (a Furano) and is not always the case.


Shen

Radar
 

Subject: Radar
From: "Simple Simon"
Date: 08/31/2003 11:07 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

C'mon, you're supposed to be a professional?

It's Furuno not Furano!

ROFL For all YOU know, Furano is the "big ship" version of Furuno.
BTW, brought in another, this afternoon ...... DECCA's .... not as good a
picture, but the "Old Man" was hogging the 3CM, and I was watching the 10 cm.

Shen

Radar
 

"Shen44" wrote in message

C'mon, you're supposed to be a professional?

It's Furuno not Furano!

ROFL For all YOU know, Furano is the "big ship" version of Furuno.

Google...

"furano radar ship" - 18 hits.

"furuno radar ship" - about 6250 hits.

Care to point us at the "furano" web site?


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.