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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:34:54 +0000, Horvath wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:59:57 GMT, Marc wrote this crap: Case in Point. I failed a sixth grade spelling test because I misspelled "does". My mother, at the time, used a laundry detergent brand named DUZ. You failed a spelling test by misspelling one word? What a strict school! Ave Imperator Bush! Bush Was Right! Four More Years! At least he graduated unlike you. |
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If it's beause it has the word "God", then all my money is a "religious monument." Pretty appropriate if you worship money.... --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 16:50:32 -0700, Jonathan Ganz
wrote this crap: At least he graduated unlike you. Then why do I have these diplomas hanging on my wall? Ave Imperator Bush! Bush Was Right! Four More Years! |
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"katysails" wrote in
: (people) learn the rules of a language much more effectively by exposure to others who use it correctly And where, pray tell, are you going to find enough people who use the language correctly to influence said individuals to follow suit? Fox? bertie |
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"katysails" wrote in
: I just wish US schools would teach their kids English AND English literature ---blunt hook warning Why, thye haveing troulbe reading the loading instructions on their guns? Bertie They did when Scout and I were kids. English Literature was the standard for the college prep crowd for first semester senior English and second semester was World Literature. Freshman year we read and discussed "Romeo and Juliet", read Richard Llewellyn's book _How Green Was My Valley_, and _Bleak House_ (Dickens, of course). In Sophomore year we read "Julius Caesar", _A Tale of Two Cities_, and "Canterbury Tales" (modern version, but we took a stab at the Chaucerian English for kicks). In Junior year we studied American Literature exclusively and read "The Grapes of Wrath", _Silas Marner_, "Uncle Tom's Cabin", the sermons of Cotton Mather, Henry James' _A Turn of the Screw_,_The Great Gatsby_, _A Separate Peace_, and of course , Salinger. Senior year out with "The Merry Wives of Windsor", progressed on to "Taming of the Shrew" then on to a study of English poetry other than Shakespeare, some short stories by Somerset Maugham, and independent reading (I read _Wuthering Heights_) Nowadays, I doubt if they even read a third of that list unless the kids are lucky enough to have parents who have inculcated reading as a pleasurable pastime.... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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In some US towns close to the border Hispanics who have managed
to get into office have changed the "official" language in the local = schools to Spanish. =20 Haate to tell you this, but Spanish was here and established long before = English was. --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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we now have food lines -- If you're 48 then you should know that we have always had food lines. = They have never gone away. We have also had homeless, recessions, = depessions, and eras of high bankruptcy. BTW, most bankruptcies are not = business related but personal. They stem from people spending money = they do not have and then asking the courts to erase it. Guess who = takes that kick in the butt? You seem very naive. --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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81% of Americans said it should stay.=20 They polled Brazil? They ask Honduras? They voted in Mexico? =20 --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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-- the regal moose We have moose in Michigan... and in Wyoming...and in Montana...Don't = have to go to Canada to see one...BTW, tey are not regal animals. They = are kind of sweet in a galumphy sort of way, but very stupid. Eagles = are regal. Wolves are majectic. Moose are.....bovine.... katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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your a nag -- go nag someone else
NH_/)_ "katysails" wrote in message ... we now have food lines -- If you're 48 then you should know that we have always had food lines. They have never gone away. We have also had homeless, recessions, depessions, and eras of high bankruptcy. BTW, most bankruptcies are not business related but personal. They stem from people spending money they do not have and then asking the courts to erase it. Guess who takes that kick in the butt? You seem very naive. -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Are you thief? Either that or you borrowed them.
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 01:23:09 +0000, Horvath wrote: On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 16:50:32 -0700, Jonathan Ganz wrote this crap: At least he graduated unlike you. Then why do I have these diplomas hanging on my wall? Ave Imperator Bush! Bush Was Right! Four More Years! |
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go nag someone else Consider it educating...start thinking....start applying what you read = and what you hear to what you think and say....and please, oh please, go = to a library and pick up a copy of Strunk & White.... --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Yes, schools are like that Holly.
Cheers MC Horvath wrote: On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:59:57 GMT, Marc wrote this crap: Case in Point. I failed a sixth grade spelling test because I misspelled "does". My mother, at the time, used a laundry detergent brand named DUZ. You failed a spelling test by misspelling one word? What a strict school! Ave Imperator Bush! Bush Was Right! Four More Years! |
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Hey Teach.... school is out, I am sure there is someone else who can benefit
from your wisdom. If you want to tell me something tell me stop repeating everything and tell me. NH_/)_ "katysails" wrote in message ... go nag someone else Consider it educating...start thinking....start applying what you read and what you hear to what you think and say....and please, oh please, go to a library and pick up a copy of Strunk & White.... -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:26:54 -0400, "katysails"
wrote this crap: In some US towns close to the border Hispanics who have managed to get into office have changed the "official" language in the local schools to Spanish. Haate to tell you this, but Spanish was here and established long before English was. Only in California. Ave Imperator Bush! Bush Was Right! Four More Years! |
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hat's really silly. How do you worship something that you don't You stated God was on your money....that makes the assumption that if it = is your money, you have money. You're just getting blonder by the = minute. --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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I knot shore
-- Scout "Knowing the storm is coming only makes me more nervous." "katysails" wrote in message ... (people) learn the rules of a language much more effectively by exposure to others who use it correctly And where, pray tell, are you going to find enough people who use the language correctly to influence said individuals to follow suit? -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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"katysails" wrote
I try to forget snip the Greek plays...yech.... [I think MC was suggesting, in another post ( Too much flat calm weather lately) that the Vikings may have been admirers of Greek techniques.] In any case, my favorite theme comes from Greek lit: ~~ it is impossible to learn without suffering, and impossible to suffer without learning.~~ -- Scout "I try to think but nothing happens." |
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Those Spaniards got around. I know the "black" Irish (like me dear old
mither with her coal black hair) are supposedly the descendants of Spaniards who 'visited' the Emerald Isle, much like the Vikings visited Scotland. -- Scout "I try to think but nothing happens." "katysails" wrote Haate to tell you this, but Spanish was here and established long before English was. |
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more wif de teef? ; (=)
Scout "katysails" wrote ugh....we'd still all have coal hods in our living rooms and bad teeth.... whether the U.S. would have been better off had the Revolution not occurred. |
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Only in California I shudder to think you are a product of a US education...Try Florida, = New Mexico (name should give you a clue), Arizona, Texas and heavy = Spanish influence in Colorado up to Montana... --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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In any case, my favorite theme comes from Greek lit: ~~ it is impossible = to learn without suffering, and impossible to suffer without learning.~~ --=20 It wasn't the themes, and it wasn't the plots or characters I didn't = like. I enjoyed paraphrased versions. It was reading them as plays = with the chorus and all....Our teacher even had the chorus make masks on = sticks to hold up before our faces while we read....was = truly....uninspiring... --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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I'm not disagreeing with you on this one. I loved the stories but the
performances are often dry dry dry. I would have thought the Greeks to be a livelier group of performers! -- Scout "I try to think but nothing happens." "katysails" It was reading them as plays with the chorus and all....Our teacher even had the chorus make masks on sticks to hold up before our faces while we read....was truly....uninspiring... |
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yeah, but it's written in ebonics and we can't figure out what it says.
-- Scout "I try to think but nothing happens." "Capt. Mooron" wrote Don't you folks have an Official Languages Act???? |
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Well of course we have our problems... but we don't carry on like you guys
do and certainly don't allow it to escalate to such a fervor. The Newfie jokes were mostly written by the Newfies and they really don't give a damn about them I can assure you. Newfies are known all over Canada as hard workers and honest people. The French got themselves into their own hot water by attitude. In Ontario the current trend is against the Somalis..... that too will fade in short order. It's not such a big deal as you Yanks seem to make it. Your description of the enclaves in TO is accurate to this day.... but the borders are fusing and the immigrants are new. Remember that my family immigrated here in the early sixties and we sought out the students from Africa attending school here to exchange views and discuss politics. I grew up in a house that had a wide collection of African students visiting every weekend. We weren't comfortable with the local customs and even less with the locals. It's natural... CM "katysails" wrote in message ... You don't see the type of heat generated here Bah....I remember visiting my cousin in Toronto one summer...all the Italaainas lived in one place and the "Canadians" couldn't stand them...and the Arabs lived in another building (high rise heaven Toronto is...) and there were things wrong with them too. Toronto was an enclave of building governed by nationality. And back when we were kids, the French thing was even then an issue. And what about the national joke "Newfies"? (and it doesn't refer to a breed of dog...) You think you can get away with this crud because you are one of two or three Canadians who post on this group. You forget, there are those among us who have been there, have relatives there, and can sing "O Canada" too. -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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"/etc" wrote in
: On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 02:18:27 +0000, when the end of the tunnel became apparent, Bertie the Bunyip posted: "katysails" wrote in : (people) learn the rules of a language much more effectively by exposure to others who use it correctly And where, pray tell, are you going to find enough people who use the language correctly to influence said individuals to follow suit? Fox? Awww, bertie, youre doing it again, why not join the Alcatroll crew ? Is there a pension? Bertei |
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"katysails" wrote in message ...
81% of Americans said it should stay. They polled Brazil? They ask Honduras? They voted in Mexico? Try CNN, Then get some MIDOL! Capt. American |
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"katysails" wrote in message ...
81% of Americans said it should stay. That says a lot..... Yeah...it says he doesn't know what the heck he's talking about.... No it shows what an ass you are. Read it and weep. New poll says Americans disapprove of federal court order Thursday, August 28, 2003 Posted: 12:25 PM EDT (1625 GMT) (CNN) -- Only one in five Americans approve of the federal court order under which workers removed the Ten Commandments monument from the rotunda of Alabama's state judicial building Wednesday, according to a new poll. The new CNN-USA Today-Gallup poll found 77 percent of the 1,009 Americans interviewed earlier this week disapproved of U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson's order to remove the monument. Thompson ruled that Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore's placement of the 2.6-ton granite edifice in the state building two years ago violated the U.S. Constitution's principle of separation of religion and government. 77 percent + or - 3% for errors. IMHO they are off 3% See how uninformed you are Katy? Capt. American |
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"/etc" wrote in
: On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:49:41 +0000, when the end of the tunnel became apparent, Bertie the Bunyip posted: "/etc" wrote in : On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 02:18:27 +0000, when the end of the tunnel became apparent, Bertie the Bunyip posted: "katysails" wrote in : (people) learn the rules of a language much more effectively by exposure to others who use it correctly And where, pray tell, are you going to find enough people who use the language correctly to influence said individuals to follow suit? Fox? Awww, bertie, youre doing it again, why not join the Alcatroll crew ? Is there a pension? You get pension from day 1 on. Ask PJR. Cool. You got a canteen? Bertie |
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Katysails is soooooo naive when it comes to some things.
She's so cute with her little-girl thinking sometimes. Maybe it can be blamed on her Catholic upbringing or maybe she's a product of a liberal education system that sometimes overcomes her conservative, church programming but, whatever it is, Katysails is a charming combination of wisdom and naivety. I like the way she thinks - it's sorta like a well-tuned engine running on five of its eight cylinders most of the time while every once in a while all eight kick in. Katy'd be good for stimulating coversation while in the eight-cylinder mode and she'd be good for a stimulating romp in the hay while in the five-cylinder mode (which is most of the time, btw). S.Simon "Capt.American" wrote in message om... "katysails" wrote in message ... 81% of Americans said it should stay. That says a lot..... Yeah...it says he doesn't know what the heck he's talking about.... No it shows what an ass you are. Read it and weep. New poll says Americans disapprove of federal court order Thursday, August 28, 2003 Posted: 12:25 PM EDT (1625 GMT) (CNN) -- Only one in five Americans approve of the federal court order under which workers removed the Ten Commandments monument from the rotunda of Alabama's state judicial building Wednesday, according to a new poll. The new CNN-USA Today-Gallup poll found 77 percent of the 1,009 Americans interviewed earlier this week disapproved of U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson's order to remove the monument. Thompson ruled that Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore's placement of the 2.6-ton granite edifice in the state building two years ago violated the U.S. Constitution's principle of separation of religion and government. 77 percent + or - 3% for errors. IMHO they are off 3% See how uninformed you are Katy? Capt. American |
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"Simple Simon" wrote in
: Katysails is soooooo naive when it comes to some things. She's so cute with her little-girl thinking sometimes. Maybe it can be blamed on her Catholic upbringing or maybe she's a product of a liberal education system that sometimes overcomes her conservative, church programming but, whatever it is, Katysails is a charming combination of wisdom and naivety. I like the way she thinks - it's sorta like a well-tuned engine running on five of its eight cylinders most of the time while every once in a while all eight kick in. Katy'd be good for stimulating coversation while in the eight-cylinder mode and she'd be good for a stimulating romp in the hay while in the five-cylinder mode (which is most of the time, btw). And of course you're pretty much the same ceptin when your single plug gets fouled. Bertie |
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I guess you never got out of Grade School.
What an idiot. On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 04:35:43 +0000, Horvath wrote: On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:26:54 -0400, "katysails" wrote this crap: In some US towns close to the border Hispanics who have managed to get into office have changed the "official" language in the local schools to Spanish. Haate to tell you this, but Spanish was here and established long before English was. Only in California. Ave Imperator Bush! Bush Was Right! Four More Years! |
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Yeh sure. And they're NOT in Spanish.
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 04:28:28 +0000, Horvath wrote: On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:23:53 -0700, Jonathan Ganz wrote this crap: Are you thief? Either that or you borrowed them. They're mine. They got my name on them. On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 01:23:09 +0000, Horvath wrote: On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 16:50:32 -0700, Jonathan Ganz wrote this crap: At least he graduated unlike you. Then why do I have these diplomas hanging on my wall? Ave Imperator Bush! Bush Was Right! Four More Years! |
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Well, you certainly worship your $3 whore.
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 04:27:18 +0000, Horvath wrote: On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:17:27 -0400, "katysails" wrote this crap: If it's beause it has the word "God", then all my money is a "religious monument." Pretty appropriate if you worship money.... That's really silly. How do you worship something that you don't have? Ave Imperator Bush! Bush Was Right! Four More Years! |
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Flying Tadpole wrote:
Frank and Ronnie Maier wrote: snip (I refuse to talk about "literature"...) A restaurateur is a restaurant runner, So a litterateur must be some form of garbologist or street cleaner, yes? Sounds about right to me. Aren't they also often called the "litterati"? |
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"/etc" wrote in
: On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:01:44 +0000, when the end of the tunnel became apparent, Bertie the Bunyip posted: "/etc" wrote in : On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:49:41 +0000, when the end of the tunnel became apparent, Bertie the Bunyip posted: "/etc" wrote in : On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 02:18:27 +0000, when the end of the tunnel became apparent, Bertie the Bunyip posted: "katysails" wrote in : (people) learn the rules of a language much more effectively by exposure to others who use it correctly And where, pray tell, are you going to find enough people who use the language correctly to influence said individuals to follow suit? Fox? Awww, bertie, youre doing it again, why not join the Alcatroll crew ? Is there a pension? You get pension from day 1 on. Ask PJR. Cool. You got a canteen? We have a fridge and a bar in each office, and a party at coffee break. Steve Leyland will pass the bong. OK, dental plan? Bertie |
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"Scout" wrote:
....snip learn-by-absorption discussion... katysails replied: And where, pray tell, are you going to find enough people who use the language correctly to influence said individuals to follow suit? Scout, I don't disagree with your basic concept; but Katy's point is inescapable. All three-year-olds learn to speak without a "formal" study of grammar. They learn to speak as fluently as their parents, that is. IMO, judging by what I see, hear, and read in contemporary society, that ain't exactly competent use of our native tongue. And as for reading, hah! If students were to read a range of quality literature, I agree that they'd pick up (intuit) grammar rules. Mostly. Again, the reality is that, if they're readers at all, they're mostly reading popular fiction. You'll pick up grammar from comic books about as well. Sailing analogies have come into this thread; here's mine. Average American "Bobsprit" is a sailor. (Stop laughing! I'm trying to make a point.) He has learned to sail without formal instruction by watching other sailors. He goes on daysails in his home waters and usually comes home unscathed. Now, you're essentially telling me you believe he has achieved "competence" by watching and aping; he doesn't need formal instruction in sailing. Sorry but I gotta disagree. Your premise requires/assumes Bob's had experience with good sailors in a variety of conditions and that's simply not the case. IMO, Bob needs formal instruction in sailing. I agree that he then needs to practice/use this abstract knowledge in the real world. But just imagine it! I dream of a world in which the average American is fluent in his own language and Bob is someone I'd leave at the helm unsupervised. Call me an optimist... Frank P.S. FYI, I was very happy with the grammar school my kids were in; but even so, we've recently taken them out (3rd and 4th grades) to start homeschooling, well, more precisely, unschooling. |
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Well of course we have our problems... but we don't carry on like you =
guys do and certainly don't allow it to escalate to such a fervor.=20 No, you just all get pie-eyed drunk, fall asleep, and suffer the = hangover the next day...was always why we liekd visiting the Canadian = cousins in the summer when we were teens...such unlimited opportunities = that were not open to us at home.... --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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