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The whole idea of the C&C 32 was to keep us sailing while Suzanne finished of
School. Now, after inspecting what will certainly be our next boat, we are clear on what will be best! A few days ago we inspected a 1991 C&C 34XL. The boat is very nice looking, though a bit modern to my eye. The cockpit is very large and comfortable as are the decks. The rig is quite busy with far more elaborate controls and blocks than on my older 32. There are all North Sails, 13 of them, some of which have never been used. The cruising main and Genoa are new. All in all, she's a pleasing boat ot the eye. Down below is a very nice interior with more usable accomodations. The head is larger and has a shower pan. The aft cabin has a berth that is large enough for someone 6'3. The Nav Station and whole interior is nicely done and well finished. Electronics are less than 3 years old. I won't post the name of the boat presently. I'm working out a deal with the owner, who is buying a Cat. We plan to own this boat by Spring 2005. She rates around 90-95, though we won't race her. We will be doing some test sails in two weeks, but I've heard nothing but great things about the 34+ and XL. This will break Loco's heart!!! Here's what the boat looks like, though the one I'm looking at has a different color layout. http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/feature...andslamp13.jpg Capt RB |
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UGH! Yet another dated and Hunter-looking design.
Why not look at a decent-looking boat once in a while? You know, something with some character. "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... The whole idea of the C&C 32 was to keep us sailing while Suzanne finished of School. Now, after inspecting what will certainly be our next boat, we are clear on what will be best! A few days ago we inspected a 1991 C&C 34XL. The boat is very nice looking, though a bit modern to my eye. The cockpit is very large and comfortable as are the decks. The rig is quite busy with far more elaborate controls and blocks than on my older 32. There are all North Sails, 13 of them, some of which have never been used. The cruising main and Genoa are new. All in all, she's a pleasing boat ot the eye. Down below is a very nice interior with more usable accomodations. The head is larger and has a shower pan. The aft cabin has a berth that is large enough for someone 6'3. The Nav Station and whole interior is nicely done and well finished. Electronics are less than 3 years old. I won't post the name of the boat presently. I'm working out a deal with the owner, who is buying a Cat. We plan to own this boat by Spring 2005. She rates around 90-95, though we won't race her. We will be doing some test sails in two weeks, but I've heard nothing but great things about the 34+ and XL. This will break Loco's heart!!! Here's what the boat looks like, though the one I'm looking at has a different color layout. http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/feature...andslamp13.jpg Capt RB |
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Cheap looking plastic.
http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/1/4/35875114.htm "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... The whole idea of the C&C 32 was to keep us sailing while Suzanne finished of School. Now, after inspecting what will certainly be our next boat, we are clear on what will be best! A few days ago we inspected a 1991 C&C 34XL. The boat is very nice looking, though a bit modern to my eye. The cockpit is very large and comfortable as are the decks. The rig is quite busy with far more elaborate controls and blocks than on my older 32. There are all North Sails, 13 of them, some of which have never been used. The cruising main and Genoa are new. All in all, she's a pleasing boat ot the eye. Down below is a very nice interior with more usable accomodations. The head is larger and has a shower pan. The aft cabin has a berth that is large enough for someone 6'3. The Nav Station and whole interior is nicely done and well finished. Electronics are less than 3 years old. I won't post the name of the boat presently. I'm working out a deal with the owner, who is buying a Cat. We plan to own this boat by Spring 2005. She rates around 90-95, though we won't race her. We will be doing some test sails in two weeks, but I've heard nothing but great things about the 34+ and XL. This will break Loco's heart!!! Here's what the boat looks like, though the one I'm looking at has a different color layout. http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/feature...andslamp13.jpg Capt RB |
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Forget that C&C. It's a Chevy Malibu. "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... The whole idea of the C&C 32 was to keep us sailing while Suzanne finished of School. Now, after inspecting what will certainly be our next boat, we are clear on what will be best! A few days ago we inspected a 1991 C&C 34XL. The boat is very nice looking, though a bit modern to my eye. The cockpit is very large and comfortable as are the decks. The rig is quite busy with far more elaborate controls and blocks than on my older 32. There are all North Sails, 13 of them, some of which have never been used. The cruising main and Genoa are new. All in all, she's a pleasing boat ot the eye. Down below is a very nice interior with more usable accomodations. The head is larger and has a shower pan. The aft cabin has a berth that is large enough for someone 6'3. The Nav Station and whole interior is nicely done and well finished. Electronics are less than 3 years old. I won't post the name of the boat presently. I'm working out a deal with the owner, who is buying a Cat. We plan to own this boat by Spring 2005. She rates around 90-95, though we won't race her. We will be doing some test sails in two weeks, but I've heard nothing but great things about the 34+ and XL. This will break Loco's heart!!! Here's what the boat looks like, though the one I'm looking at has a different color layout. http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/feature...andslamp13.jpg Capt RB |
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No doubt it is a nice boat, but is it really worth 5x+ what you have
invested in yours?:) Why spend the premium for a "racing" boat that you only intend to cruise/day sail? Well, you have a point, but we won't spend more than 40K with Alien as a trade in. She'll be far newer, far nicer, far faster and a lot of fun. Plus there will be room for both good sleep and sex. The boat fits are long term plans better than the very nice 32. RB |
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Much more boat than you are considering:
http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/6/4/44090764.htm "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... The whole idea of the C&C 32 was to keep us sailing while Suzanne finished of School. Now, after inspecting what will certainly be our next boat, we are clear on what will be best! A few days ago we inspected a 1991 C&C 34XL. The boat is very nice looking, though a bit modern to my eye. The cockpit is very large and comfortable as are the decks. The rig is quite busy with far more elaborate controls and blocks than on my older 32. There are all North Sails, 13 of them, some of which have never been used. The cruising main and Genoa are new. All in all, she's a pleasing boat ot the eye. Down below is a very nice interior with more usable accomodations. The head is larger and has a shower pan. The aft cabin has a berth that is large enough for someone 6'3. The Nav Station and whole interior is nicely done and well finished. Electronics are less than 3 years old. I won't post the name of the boat presently. I'm working out a deal with the owner, who is buying a Cat. We plan to own this boat by Spring 2005. She rates around 90-95, though we won't race her. We will be doing some test sails in two weeks, but I've heard nothing but great things about the 34+ and XL. This will break Loco's heart!!! Here's what the boat looks like, though the one I'm looking at has a different color layout. http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/feature...andslamp13.jpg Capt RB |
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A much better choice can be seen here.
http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/1/9/1640119.htm "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... The whole idea of the C&C 32 was to keep us sailing while Suzanne finished of School. Now, after inspecting what will certainly be our next boat, we are clear on what will be best! A few days ago we inspected a 1991 C&C 34XL. The boat is very nice looking, though a bit modern to my eye. The cockpit is very large and comfortable as are the decks. The rig is quite busy with far more elaborate controls and blocks than on my older 32. There are all North Sails, 13 of them, some of which have never been used. The cruising main and Genoa are new. All in all, she's a pleasing boat ot the eye. Down below is a very nice interior with more usable accomodations. The head is larger and has a shower pan. The aft cabin has a berth that is large enough for someone 6'3. The Nav Station and whole interior is nicely done and well finished. Electronics are less than 3 years old. I won't post the name of the boat presently. I'm working out a deal with the owner, who is buying a Cat. We plan to own this boat by Spring 2005. She rates around 90-95, though we won't race her. We will be doing some test sails in two weeks, but I've heard nothing but great things about the 34+ and XL. This will break Loco's heart!!! Here's what the boat looks like, though the one I'm looking at has a different color layout. http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/feature...andslamp13.jpg Capt RB |
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Good choice:) Looks like a deal, as well. Bob is mainly looking for
a boat with a low PHRF rating so he can troll more effectively in the NG. I would take the Crealock 34 in a heartbeat over the C&C. On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:50:12 -0400, "Simple Simon" wrote: http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/0/0/41734300.htm Forget that C&C. It's a Chevy Malibu. "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... The whole idea of the C&C 32 was to keep us sailing while Suzanne finished of School. Now, after inspecting what will certainly be our next boat, we are clear on what will be best! A few days ago we inspected a 1991 C&C 34XL. The boat is very nice looking, though a bit modern to my eye. The cockpit is very large and comfortable as are the decks. The rig is quite busy with far more elaborate controls and blocks than on my older 32. There are all North Sails, 13 of them, some of which have never been used. The cruising main and Genoa are new. All in all, she's a pleasing boat ot the eye. Down below is a very nice interior with more usable accomodations. The head is larger and has a shower pan. The aft cabin has a berth that is large enough for someone 6'3. The Nav Station and whole interior is nicely done and well finished. Electronics are less than 3 years old. I won't post the name of the boat presently. I'm working out a deal with the owner, who is buying a Cat. We plan to own this boat by Spring 2005. She rates around 90-95, though we won't race her. We will be doing some test sails in two weeks, but I've heard nothing but great things about the 34+ and XL. This will break Loco's heart!!! Here's what the boat looks like, though the one I'm looking at has a different color layout. http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/feature...andslamp13.jpg Capt RB |
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Good choice:) Looks like a deal, as well. Bob is mainly looking for
a boat with a low PHRF rating so he can troll more effectively in the NG. I would take the Crealock 34 in a heartbeat over the C&C. Not exactly ideal for my area, that Crealock. The C&C will provide far more fun on the water, plus I can beat on Loco and Steve even worse than before! At the moment I have the better, nicer boat. But now it will be FAR faster as well! The Crealock is beautiful as are most of the Pacific Seacrafts. RB |
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is a bit more timeless. The C&C is a nicely finished yacht. The Crealock is better in that regard, but it will be DIW on some August days here. When I'm in my 60s, the Crealock will make more sense. RB |
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What do you expect? An informed decision out of Bobsprit?
Ha ahaah hah ahahahhah ah ah ah ha h ah ah ha h ah ah ah! Hasn't happened yet. Will not happen in the future. The man's a big baby who doesn't have a clue what sailing's all about. Never will, either, as long as he keeps boat- hopping on has-been, outdated racer/cruisers. "katysails" wrote in message ... Going up 2 feet hardly seems worth the time or effort. -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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Going up 2 feet hardly seems worth the time or effort.
Are you kidding. He'll be able to post for another 2 years. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
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I think you would be better suted on the Vindo you keep trying to unload on the
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Actually its 35 feet 6 inches.
But the real problem is that 7'3" draft - I thought you were talking about moving South. If you want to race in the middle of the bay the deep keel isn't a problem - that's what gives you the rating. But if you're looking for a quiet cove your options will get limited. "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Going up 2 feet hardly seems worth the time or effort. Try a calculator. The 34XL is a tad under 36 feet, 4 feet longer than the 32. RB |
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On 12 Aug 2003 16:24:50 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap: I won't post the name of the boat presently. I'm working out a deal with the owner, who is buying a Cat. We plan to own this boat by Spring 2005. She rates around 90-95, Wake up! You're dreaming again. A C&C 34 rates about 145. Ave Imperator Bush! Bush Was Right! Four More Years! |
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Wake up! You're dreaming again. A C&C 34 rates about 145. Only on Lake Erie where the 7 ft keel slows you down plowing through the mud. -- katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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"Capt.American" wrote: Any Crealock makes a C&C look like junk. Only if you have blinders one. You just need to get up the guts to go where the Crealock are designed to go. It doesn't take "guts," it takes either a maladapted personality or angry creditors. Open Ocean, Blue Water, out of the sight of land, you know that place where your C&C would be beat to pieces. Considering that lots of C&Cs have circumanvigated, you are obviously misinformed on this issue. Although I'll give you 1/4 credit for taunting Boobsie.. DSK |
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DSK wrote in message ...
"Capt.American" wrote: Any Crealock makes a C&C look like junk. Only if you have blinders one. I guess you said bliners on. Not sooooo. Anyone can look at a quality boat with beefy fittings and see that allthe Pacific seacraft crealock designed boats far out class a C&C. Any blind person can knock on the sides of both boats and understand that the Craelock thump like a brick, and the C&C thump like a thin skinned drum. You just need to get up the guts to go where the Crealock are designed to go. It doesn't take "guts," it takes either a maladapted personality or angry creditors. Have to dis-agree with you Doug. From your other post I can see why you might find ocean cruising not to your liking. I think anyone that hasent been deep sea are the ones with maladapted personalitys. They do not know what they are missing. I bet Bobspirt who claims to do some star gazing has never seen a truly dark sky that allows you to see the millions of stars. He's been smothered with city glare and smog that blocks out 99.9% of the stars. I bet he's never been on a swell a mile wide that does it's best to slowly and gently rock you to sleep. I bet he's never seen the green flash that requires sea level un-obstructed horizon and crystal clear sky. I bet he's never fought a storm that he thought might win, or knows what its like to come out the other side of one in one piece. Most maladapted personalitys are developed by people that can not venture out and partake in the unsure, the unknown with no guarrentys. Most maladapted personalitys tend to stay in sight of land safe and sound. Now angry creditors, guess that depends on haw angry they are. Open Ocean, Blue Water, out of the sight of land, you know that place where your C&C would be beat to pieces. Considering that lots of C&Cs have circumanvigated, you are obviously misinformed on this issue. Plastic bathroom rubber ducks have circumvigated, but I would not want be on board one. Although I'll give you 1/4 credit for taunting Boobsie.. thanks! Capt. American DSK |
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"Capt.American" wrote:
I guess you said bliners on. Yeh, 'blinders.' I guess two typos make a right? Not sooooo. Anyone can look at a quality boat with beefy fittings and see that allthe Pacific seacraft crealock designed boats far out class a C&C. Well, FWIW I have bilgecrawled a number of Pacific Seacraft boats, and some of them are the same crapola that Hunter & Catalina etc etc pump out, only with a higher price tag. BTW Crealock did not design all the Pacific Seacraft line. And he designed a number of swing keel trailerables & fin keel racer-cruisers in his day. You seem to have gotten the idea that his name on the sales brochure automatically bestows a boat with some sort of magic aura of invincibility. This is a dangerous attitude, especially at sea. If you have really done the sailing you claim, you probably already know this even if you don't want to hear it in public. Any blind person can knock on the sides of both boats and understand that the Craelock thump like a brick, and the C&C thump like a thin skinned drum. Which C&C? Every last one, including the new ones, that I have ever looked at was pretty well built. Not an Oyster or Swan, but strongly & properly built. You just need to get up the guts to go where the Crealock are designed to go. It doesn't take "guts," it takes either a maladapted personality or angry creditors. Have to dis-agree with you Doug. From your other post I can see why you might find ocean cruising not to your liking. Actually, I am indifferent to crossing oceans in boats. It's boring, not my idea of fun. I like sailing and enjoy visiting distant locations; sailing would be an OK way to get there. To sail across an ocean just to sail across it is kinda dumb... but then so is climbing a mountain 'because it's there'... under the right circumstances, either can be an honorable feat. Do you deliberately sail through storms, too, just to prove how macho & tough you are? I think anyone that hasent been deep sea are the ones with maladapted personalitys. Possibly. But to seek out long term solitude is by definition anti social. Since you've never mentioned crew I assume you singlehand. .... Most maladapted personalitys tend to stay in sight of land safe and sound. No, most maladapted personalities tend to be loners, and tend to insist they're right despite obvious evidence to the contrary. Many are of fairly high intelligence yet have a hard time adapting to new facts and new surroundings. Does this remind you of somebody? Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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Who are you responding to?
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I won't post the name of the boat presently. I'm working out a deal with the
owner, who is buying a Cat. Read: I don't want anyone to tell the owners that I will be putting stuff in their food and will be screwing them when they are sick and have to sell. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
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DSK wrote in message ...
"Capt.American" wrote: I guess you said bliners on. Yeh, 'blinders.' I guess two typos make a right? fair enough Not sooooo. Anyone can look at a quality boat with beefy fittings and see that allthe Pacific seacraft crealock designed boats far out class a C&C. Well, FWIW I have bilgecrawled a number of Pacific Seacraft boats, and some of them are the same crapola that Hunter & Catalina etc etc pump out, only with a higher price tag. BTW Crealock did not design all the Pacific Seacraft line. And he designed a number of swing keel trailerables & fin keel racer-cruisers in his day. You seem to have gotten the idea that his name on the sales brochure automatically bestows a boat with some sort of magic aura of invincibility. This is a dangerous attitude, especially at sea. If you have really done the sailing you claim, you probably already know this even if you don't want to hear it in public. If you read my post I never said Crealock designed all P.S.C., I said the crealock designed psc's. Any blind person can knock on the sides of both boats and understand that the Craelock thump like a brick, and the C&C thump like a thin skinned drum. Which C&C? Every last one, including the new ones, that I have ever looked at was pretty well built. Not an Oyster or Swan, but strongly & properly built. Shhhhhhhhh. Bobsie might hear. BTW there is a C&C on ebay at 850 dollars last time I looked. You just need to get up the guts to go where the Crealock are designed to go. It doesn't take "guts," it takes either a maladapted personality or angry creditors. Have to dis-agree with you Doug. From your other post I can see why you might find ocean cruising not to your liking. Actually, I am indifferent to crossing oceans in boats. It's boring, not my idea of fun. I like sailing and enjoy visiting distant locations; sailing would be an OK way to get there. To sail across an ocean just to sail across it is kinda dumb... but then so is climbing a mountain 'because it's there'... under the right circumstances, either can be an honorable feat. Do you deliberately sail through storms, too, just to prove how macho & tough you are? No. But if you are going to be on any voyage of over a month you are most likely going to encounter a storm or 2. Infact I wished Id listened to you a little more when you warned of those pacific highs, I ran a great circle course from Seattle to Ohau, when I shold of traveled a week south before turning west. I think anyone that hasent been deep sea are the ones with maladapted personalitys. Possibly. But to seek out long term solitude is by definition anti social. Since you've never mentioned crew I assume you singlehand. Yes I did, but Im far from anti social. I planned to have a friend sail with me to Alcapulco, but with the hurricane season building and not getting out of here until the 23 -Sept 1st Im going to have her fly there. She will go thru the canal with me and cross the gulf. .... Most maladapted personalitys tend to stay in sight of land safe and sound. No, most maladapted personalities tend to be loners, and tend to insist they're right despite obvious evidence to the contrary. Many are of fairly high intelligence yet have a hard time adapting to new facts and new surroundings. I dont accept that. Does this remind you of somebody? CA Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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"Capt.American" wrote:
Shhhhhhhhh. Bobsie might hear. BTW there is a C&C on ebay at 850 dollars last time I looked. Yep... prob'ly worth every penny of it, too! ... But if you are going to be on any voyage of over a month you are most likely going to encounter a storm or 2. Well, that depends on a couple things: where & when you go, and what your definition of "storm" is. Personally I have encountered relatively few episodes of bad weather at sea, and of those the most troublesome thing about it was getting water down below and having a hard time drying out. Then there have been a couple of times I have seen truly hair-raising storms. For the worst of them, fortunately I was in one of Uncle Sam's big gray cruise liners, and came away convinced that no small sailboat could live under these circumstances. Infact I wished Id listened to you a little more when you warned of those pacific highs, I ran a great circle course from Seattle to Ohau, when I shold of traveled a week south before turning west. Honestly, the only reason I know about this is from reading about it. Long ago one of my dad's friends was bringing a race boat back from the TransPac and had the ill grace to shoot an albatross with a .22 after more than a week of drifting aimlessly. ..... with the hurricane season building and not getting out of here until the 23 -Sept 1st Im going to have her fly there. She will go thru the canal with me and cross the gulf. Ah so, you are coming to the East Coast or just the Caribbean? They're saying ugly things about the Panama Canal lately, please keep us posted what you encounter. ..... most maladapted personalities tend to be loners, and tend to insist they're right despite obvious evidence to the contrary. Many are of fairly high intelligence yet have a hard time adapting to new facts and new surroundings. I dont accept that. Now *that* was funny. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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