Dream Boat?
 

No, Ganzy, not Ted Danson!

You have 250K for a boat, for live aboard, day sailing and several long cruises
each summer or year-round. You want a boat that performs, doesn't suffer from
silly design trends and is easy to care for. You also want a boat that can be
sold without a crushing loss...because every boat is a stepping stone...and
then you're dead.
New or used, what would you buy? You don't have to spend the whole 250K.

RB

Dream Boat?
 

I already did - a PDQ 36 Capella. Still no regrets; still my first choice.



http://www.pdqyachts.com/ver2/yachts...lFrameSet.html
"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
No, Ganzy, not Ted Danson!

You have 250K for a boat, for live aboard, day sailing and several long cruises
each summer or year-round. You want a boat that performs, doesn't suffer from
silly design trends and is easy to care for. You also want a boat that can be
sold without a crushing loss...because every boat is a stepping stone...and
then you're dead.
New or used, what would you buy? You don't have to spend the whole 250K.

RB

Dream Boat?
 

Oyster 55, Hylas 54, or an older Kanter aluminum. Cost a little more, but just
amortize it over a longer time in the S Pacific or Med. Definitely used - let
someone else work out the bugs and take the initial depreciation hit.

You have 250K for a boat, for live aboard, day sailing and several long
cruises
each summer or year-round. You want a boat that performs, doesn't suffer from
silly design trends and is easy to care for. You also want a boat that can be
sold without a crushing loss...because every boat is a stepping stone...and
then you're dead.
New or used, what would you buy? You don't have to spend the whole 250K.

RB

Dream Boat?
 

Oyster 55, Hylas 54, or an older Kanter aluminum.

A few people have said to me that they felt the Hylas is a high end charter
boat, and not something they'd want to own. Don't know a thing about them.
The Oyster's are beautiful.

RB

Dream Boat?
 

I already did - a PDQ 36 Capella. Still no regrets; still my first choice.

Wouldn't you like just a bit more room and performance?
250K's the limit though/

RB

Dream Boat?
 

So which boat do you think gives more performance and space and quality for the money (new
boats please)? She can be single handed up to 12-13 knots with only 540 feet of plain
sail. She has three state rooms, the saloon seats 8 for dinner. 6'3" headroom
throughout. The cockpit is huge and dry, and you can play volleyball on the bow. And I
only pay for a 36 footer in the yard!

And the new centerboard version looks like it screams upwind!


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I already did - a PDQ 36 Capella. Still no regrets; still my first choice.

Wouldn't you like just a bit more room and performance?
250K's the limit though/

RB

Dream Boat?
 

So which boat do you think gives more performance and space and quality for the
money (new
boats please)?

I honestly don't know. I'd imagine there's something out there in the used
market...perhaps.

RB

Dream Boat?
 

Oyster 55, Hylas 54, or an older Kanter aluminum.

A few people have said to me that they felt the Hylas is a high end charter
boat, and not something they'd want to own.

A lot of smaller Hylases are in charter - that is where Queen Long got its
start, but the 54 is not a charter boat. Several 54s are on long range cruises
and are getting nothing but raves. Its a lot of boat for the money.

Dream Boat?
 

I'm Ganz not Danson. Sorry. I know he's your fanatasy.
Thanks though.

I would get a decent C&C 36, fix up what needed it,
make some improvements, and bank the rest.

Or, I would get a used F-31 and do the same.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
No, Ganzy, not Ted Danson!

You have 250K for a boat, for live aboard, day sailing and several long
cruises
each summer or year-round. You want a boat that performs, doesn't suffer
from
silly design trends and is easy to care for. You also want a boat that can
be
sold without a crushing loss...because every boat is a stepping
stone...and
then you're dead.
New or used, what would you buy? You don't have to spend the whole 250K.

RB

Dream Boat?
 

I felt a bit out of touch, being so far from the water on the Hylas.
It sailed pretty well though... in the BVI, which is an easy place
to sail of course.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Oyster 55, Hylas 54, or an older Kanter aluminum.

A few people have said to me that they felt the Hylas is a high end
charter
boat, and not something they'd want to own. Don't know a thing about them.
The Oyster's are beautiful.

RB

Dream Boat?
 

I would get a decent C&C 36, fix up what needed it,
make some improvements, and bank the rest.

Which 36? The plus/XL/R line?

RB

Dream Boat?
 

I'd rent!
Scout

"Bobsprit" wrote
New or used, what would you buy? You don't have to spend the whole 250K.

Scout, rent boy.
 

"Scout" wrote in news:vrKdnV5drbOUnKWiU-
:

I'd rent!

Rent boy

Bertie

Dream Boat?
 

The fuel dock, actually. It works out for both of us, since we're gone a lot.

Storage for a cat is a problem, but as a transient at a lot of places, we've only been
charged a minor surcharge a few times.


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
How is that they don't charge you for a double slip? Are you on
an end tie?

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
So which boat do you think gives more performance and space and quality
for the money (new
boats please)? She can be single handed up to 12-13 knots with only 540
feet of plain
sail. She has three state rooms, the saloon seats 8 for dinner. 6'3"
headroom
throughout. The cockpit is huge and dry, and you can play volleyball on
the bow. And I
only pay for a 36 footer in the yard!

And the new centerboard version looks like it screams upwind!


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I already did - a PDQ 36 Capella. Still no regrets; still my first
choice.

Wouldn't you like just a bit more room and performance?
250K's the limit though/

RB

Dream Boat?
 

I'd keep the boat I have, buy a new main, a boom tent, a water maker, a
solar panel abd use the extra 240K for the adventure of it all....

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Dream Boat?
 

Dream Boat?
 

I'd keep the boat I have, buy a new main, a boom tent, a water maker, a
solar panel abd use the extra 240K for the adventure of it all....

That's not the game, Katy. Your Elite's a fine little boat, but hardly ideal
for liveaboard and long range cruising. Spend some of the 250K. What would you
get? Imagine you DON'T have a boat.

RB

Dream Boat?
 

I guess that would work as long as you're not there a lot. Might get
pretty busy and noisy.

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
The fuel dock, actually. It works out for both of us, since we're gone a
lot.

Storage for a cat is a problem, but as a transient at a lot of places,
we've only been
charged a minor surcharge a few times.


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
How is that they don't charge you for a double slip? Are you on
an end tie?

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
So which boat do you think gives more performance and space and
quality
for the money (new
boats please)? She can be single handed up to 12-13 knots with only
540
feet of plain
sail. She has three state rooms, the saloon seats 8 for dinner. 6'3"
headroom
throughout. The cockpit is huge and dry, and you can play volleyball
on
the bow. And I
only pay for a 36 footer in the yard!

And the new centerboard version looks like it screams upwind!


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I already did - a PDQ 36 Capella. Still no regrets; still my first
choice.

Wouldn't you like just a bit more room and performance?
250K's the limit though/

RB

Dream Boat?
 

An older one... probably mid-80s. I'd rather know what I have
after I fix it.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I would get a decent C&C 36, fix up what needed it,
make some improvements, and bank the rest.

Which 36? The plus/XL/R line?

RB

Dream Boat?
 

That would certainly get you the most bang for your $. Or you
could rent a big one and own a small one. I'm thinking about
moving my Cal 20 to a lake near where I live and buying a
29-33 footer for the bay.

Ah, two boats.. either a dream come true or a real life
nightmare!

"Scout" wrote in message
...
I'd rent!
Scout

"Bobsprit" wrote
New or used, what would you buy? You don't have to spend the whole 250K.

Dream Boat?
 

Well, I'm actually past the pumps, so my being there doesn't prevent folks from filling.
But when I'm gone, they have an extra 50 feet to stash boats. The real hectic time is 6AM
when the fishing crowd is topping off.

I try to be philosophical when I come back, since I never know what obstacles there will
be. The best was when I had to squeeze between the boat the city's special ops chief
lives in, while he was having a staff meeting onboard, and the State Police's new $250,000
interceptor (it can be dropped from a helicopter and do 50 knots in a 6 foot chop) - I
stuck it so good they were convinced I had thrusters!



"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
I guess that would work as long as you're not there a lot. Might get
pretty busy and noisy.

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
The fuel dock, actually. It works out for both of us, since we're gone a
lot.

Storage for a cat is a problem, but as a transient at a lot of places,
we've only been
charged a minor surcharge a few times.


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
How is that they don't charge you for a double slip? Are you on
an end tie?

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
So which boat do you think gives more performance and space and
quality
for the money (new
boats please)? She can be single handed up to 12-13 knots with only
540
feet of plain
sail. She has three state rooms, the saloon seats 8 for dinner. 6'3"
headroom
throughout. The cockpit is huge and dry, and you can play volleyball
on
the bow. And I
only pay for a 36 footer in the yard!

And the new centerboard version looks like it screams upwind!


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I already did - a PDQ 36 Capella. Still no regrets; still my first
choice.

Wouldn't you like just a bit more room and performance?
250K's the limit though/

RB

Dream Boat?
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
No, Ganzy, not Ted Danson!

You have 250K for a boat, for live aboard, day sailing and several long
cruises
each summer or year-round. You want a boat that performs, doesn't suffer
from
silly design trends and is easy to care for. You also want a boat that can
be
sold without a crushing loss...because every boat is a stepping
stone...and
then you're dead.
New or used, what would you buy? You don't have to spend the whole 250K.

That's easy! A First 33.7, and it would have the added benefit of *not*
being a stepping stone.

Now Bob, what boat would *you* buy?

Regards


Donal
--

Dream Boat?
 

"katysails" wrote in message
...
I'd keep the boat I have, buy a new main, a boom tent, a water maker, a
solar panel abd use the extra 240K for the adventure of it all....


There's an idea. I would get some of those high tec sails.


Why would you get a water maker? Is Lake Michigan polluted? Wouldn't a
water filter do?



Regards


Donal
--

Dream Boat?
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in
:

That would certainly get you the most bang for your $. Or you
could rent a big one and own a small one.


I'm sure they'll bow to your superior experience in that area.

Bertei

Dream Boat?
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in
:

An older one... probably mid-80s. I'd rather know what I have
after I fix it.


Why not just rent a biger one?

Bertei

Dream Boat?
 

On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:46:55 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote this crap:

Coronado 27!!!

And, spend the rest of the money on beer and tight women!

All women are tight for me.




Ave Imperator Bush!
Bush Was Right! Four More Years!

Dream Boat?
 

"Donal" wrote in
:


"katysails" wrote in message
...
I'd keep the boat I have, buy a new main, a boom tent, a water maker, a
solar panel abd use the extra 240K for the adventure of it all....


There's an idea. I would get some of those high tec sails.


would you now?

bertie

Dream Boat?
 

"Horvath" wrote in message ...
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:46:55 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote this crap:

Coronado 27!!!

And, spend the rest of the money on beer and tight women!

All women are tight for me.


Try the hole in the front side for once!

Dream Boat?
 

Horvath wrote in :

On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:46:55 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote this crap:

Coronado 27!!!

And, spend the rest of the money on beer and tight women!

All women are tight for me.

Obviously.

You're a complete dick.

bertie

Dream Boat?
 

Baltic 35, Express 35, S2 10.3 or a Swan 36. I'd use the change to have fun
with.
OR A BETTER IDEA
I'd buy a OD35, Mumm 30 or an SR33 and a trailer and use the change to fund my
travels around the country to race.
But I'm sure the Boobster is looking for serious recomendations since he
knows nothing about boats.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

Dream Boat?
 

13-year-olds?

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:46:55 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote this crap:

Coronado 27!!!

And, spend the rest of the money on beer and tight women!

All women are tight for me.




Ave Imperator Bush!
Bush Was Right! Four More Years!

Dream Boat?
 

Is he even sure they're women?

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:46:55 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote this crap:

Coronado 27!!!

And, spend the rest of the money on beer and tight women!

All women are tight for me.


Try the hole in the front side for once!

Dream Boat?
 

And, spend the rest of the money on beer and women!

Here's a guy who admits he pays for hookers. We knew it all along however.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

Dream Boat?
 

Makes sense, if the women are frugal there will be more for beer.
Scout

"Simple Simon" wrote
. . . spend the rest of the money on beer and tight women!

Dream Boat?
 

Barn Owl (schooner, designed PC Bolger) but I can't find a photo
on the web. $500K would be better.


--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
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Dream Boat?
 

Then again I could spend six months building a modified
three-piece schooner (as a one-piece and other minor
alteration). GOing on when I last costed it, it would now be
about $A 100K for the fifty-footer..so that would leave me nearly
$A 400K, which would be enough for at least a $A 20K income from
that alone, which is more than the married-couple pension.

However, a point: Bill mcKibben and his wife, who commissioned
and built the original design, discovered they'd "overboated"
themselves, a function it seems of many who finally step up to
their "dreamboat". I'll leave other posters to point to the most
famous example.

Bill McKibben's boat "Saghali" at
http://www.boatdesign.com/jumps/mckib/Page.html
I particularly like the "low tide" shot, reminiscent of the
Bobsprit school of coastal pilotage, except in this case it was
obviously intentional (stern to shore).

While you're there, the "Black Skimmer" is one of the most
elegant simple designs of the 20th C, up there with Meadow Lark
and Pete CUllers "Old GLory" ketch

--
Flying Tadpole

R E A L SAILORS _BUILD_ THEIR OWN BOAT!
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Dream Boat?
 

Show me a man who gets sex from a woman and
doesn't spend money doing it and I will show you
a prison guard in a woman's prison. All other men
pay and pay royally. Those men who engage the
services of a prostitute pay far, far less than
married men who must buy their women cars
houses, boats etc. just so they can get a little,
tired and boring same old, same old.

The new trend is amateur, teenage hookers
who live in good homes and good families but
who just like to earn more money so they can
have more freedom than paltry allowances provide.


S.Simon
Prostitutes are a winter sport, summer sport, etc.


"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message ...
And, spend the rest of the money on beer and women!

Here's a guy who admits he pays for hookers. We knew it all along however.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

Dream Boat?
 

Here's a guy who admits he pays for hookers.

You get them for free?

RB

Dream Boat?
 

Here's a guy who admits he pays for hookers. We knew it all along
however.

Who's this "we" you are referring to. Speak for yourself.

RB

Dream Boat?
 

I am always amused when I give blood and have to fill out that rather
frightening AIDS questionnaire. In addition to asking about
accupuncture, tattoos and drugs they ask if you have ever paid for
sex. Having been divorced, I laugh and say I damn sure have...:)
Cynical as it may seem, Cappy is quite right. It is the "free" sex
that is the most expensive.


On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:18:17 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

Show me a man who gets sex from a woman and
doesn't spend money doing it and I will show you
a prison guard in a woman's prison. All other men
pay and pay royally. Those men who engage the
services of a prostitute pay far, far less than
married men who must buy their women cars
houses, boats etc. just so they can get a little,
tired and boring same old, same old.

The new trend is amateur, teenage hookers
who live in good homes and good families but
who just like to earn more money so they can
have more freedom than paltry allowances provide.


S.Simon
Prostitutes are a winter sport, summer sport, etc.


"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message ...
And, spend the rest of the money on beer and women!

Here's a guy who admits he pays for hookers. We knew it all along however.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport