I can beat a Westsail 32 any day and your heavy full-keeler is
slower than the average Westsail 32 by a significant amount.

My beating Booby's boat is saying nothing at all. Booby's boat
is probably faster than mine by a teensy margin but since he
sails only using half his sails he doesn't have a chance even
against a Seidelman or even the fine vessel depicted in this link:

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com...boat_mh103.jpg


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ...
Jeff... don't be drawn into this silly exercise of having Capt. Neal claim
he can best your vessel.... he hasn't a prayer of challenging even me
successfully and I'm certain your vessel is faster than mine on all points.

I must admit however that he could in all probability easily beat a C&C 32
with Bob at the helm... lets allow him that.

CM



"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
| Your local knowledge won't help since I could shorten sail and follow you
anywhere. Then
| I would simply sprint by you at the finish. I suppose if you call
anything over 8 knots
| "a blow" you might have a case. Its a good thing you don't sail up here
in the Fall.
|SNIP

I can beat a Westsail 32 any day and your heavy full-keeler is
slower than the average Westsail 32 by a significant amount.

Westsail 32 is not faster than the Nordic. Not even close.

RB

"Simple Simon" wrote in message

| I can beat a Westsail 32 any day and your heavy full-keeler is
| slower than the average Westsail 32 by a significant amount.

Your ability to be in error is only surpassed by your inability to relate to
any vessel other than your own. It's a classic indicator of limited exposure
to a wide variety of sailboats.

CM

I believe Neal has confessed to being onboard two sailboats: a Hobie 16, and his beloved
Coronado.


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...

"Simple Simon" wrote in message

| I can beat a Westsail 32 any day and your heavy full-keeler is
| slower than the average Westsail 32 by a significant amount.

Your ability to be in error is only surpassed by your inability to relate to
any vessel other than your own. It's a classic indicator of limited exposure
to a wide variety of sailboats.

CM

On the contrary. It is indicative of the fact that I have sailed in
company with many a cruising boat and it turned out I am
faster than all but a few. This is a result of my being a better
sailor and having my boat maximized for efficiency and speed.

I know the value of such things as a clean, smooth and faired
bottom. I know the necessity of an efficient, balanced spade
rudder and fin keel. I know how to trim the hull by proper weight
placement for maximum speed through the water. I know what
sail to bend on under a variety of conditions. I know how to
trim sails for maximum efficiency. I realize that a boat is slowed
down terribly by dragging a fixed prop in an aperture which is
cut into a high-wetted surface full keel. I know all about tip
vortex action on sails and how they produce unacceptable
drag. I know how to minimize said little tornadoes. I realize
the stupidity of hanging anchors on long bowsprits.

Your boat doesn't have a chance against mine until and unless
you have enough wind to reach your hull speed (probably about
twenty knots with all the drag you have) which is the only thing
about your boat that betters mine and even this only betters
mine by less than half a knot.


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ...

"Simple Simon" wrote in message

| I can beat a Westsail 32 any day and your heavy full-keeler is
| slower than the average Westsail 32 by a significant amount.

Your ability to be in error is only surpassed by your inability to relate to
any vessel other than your own. It's a classic indicator of limited exposure
to a wide variety of sailboats.

CM

Neal, what is the average speed you make when passaging making?


RB

Average speed on a trip across the Gulf of Mexico in a
broad reach during a norther from Panama City sea buoy
to Egmont Key sea buoy (Tampa Bay) was 7.3 knots
average speed. This is fact and recorded my my log
which is a legal document. There is perhaps a 1/2 knot
favorable current in the Gulf in this direction.


"CANDChelp" wrote in message ...
Neal, what is the average speed you make when passaging making?


RB

Average speed on a trip across the Gulf of Mexico in a
broad reach during a norther from Panama City sea buoy
to Egmont Key sea buoy (Tampa Bay) was 7.3 knots
average speed. This is fact and recorded my my log
which is a legal document. There is perhaps a 1/2 knot
favorable current in the Gulf in this direction.

Jeff, what is the average speed made by your multi hull when passaging making.

RB

My average speed, for general conditions, is roughly 7 knots. That's what I base my
passage planning on. However, its not uncommon to do 9 or 10 if the wind is pushing 20.
I've been over 11 with plain sail without help from waves. (Surfing we've been to 13.5)
On my recent trip to Salem we were doing 5.5 to 7 knots in a 10 to 12 knot breeze (as
entered in my log, a legal document). About the same going to P'town. I generally figure
I'm a knot or two fast then monohulls my size.

The Norther's that Neal talks about are a standard wind that covers the FL area though the
winter. Its often about 20-25 knots, and can setup for 2 or 3 weeks without a break.
Since you can't cross the Gulf Stream in a Norther, hundreds of boats wait in on the East
Coast of FL for a window.

Neal might be able to beam reach in a Norther at 6.8 through the water, but its pushing it
a bit. With full sail, in 26 knots, his sail generates 22 hp, which puts him under 300
pounds per hp - enough to push through hull speed somewhat. Of course, although my
predicted speed would be 10+ knots, I'm not constrained by hull speed, so I'd be doing
more, with reefed sails.


"CANDChelp" wrote in message
...
Average speed on a trip across the Gulf of Mexico in a
broad reach during a norther from Panama City sea buoy
to Egmont Key sea buoy (Tampa Bay) was 7.3 knots
average speed. This is fact and recorded my my log
which is a legal document. There is perhaps a 1/2 knot
favorable current in the Gulf in this direction.

Jeff, what is the average speed made by your multi hull when passaging making.

RB

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
| On the contrary. It is indicative of the fact that I have sailed in
| company with many a cruising boat and it turned out I am
| faster than all but a few. This is a result of my being a better
| sailor and having my boat maximized for efficiency and speed.
|
| I know the value of such things as a clean, smooth and faired
| bottom. I know the necessity of an efficient, balanced spade
| rudder and fin keel. I know how to trim the hull by proper weight
| placement for maximum speed through the water. I know what
| sail to bend on under a variety of conditions. I know how to
| trim sails for maximum efficiency.

.... and "I know" that you know the desperation of owning a small vessel and
being outmatched in every way by a better built, well founded, superior
vessel like my Nordica 30


I realize that a boat is slowed
| down terribly by dragging a fixed prop in an aperture which is
| cut into a high-wetted surface full keel. I know all about tip
| vortex action on sails and how they produce unacceptable
| drag. I know how to minimize said little tornadoes. I realize
| the stupidity of hanging anchors on long bowsprits.

The trepidation and angst you dwell upon is due entirely to your inability
to comprehend the sheer power afforded by a true blue water vessel... as
opposed to the coastal biscuit you are familiar with. I laugh at your
discussion of weight distribution.... my vessel can carry the weight of
your flimsy banana boat and still afford room for pallets of beer while
handily beating any comparable vessel in a race.


|
| Your boat doesn't have a chance against mine until and unless
| you have enough wind to reach your hull speed (probably about
| twenty knots with all the drag you have) which is the only thing
| about your boat that betters mine and even this only betters
| mine by less than half a knot.

Everything about my boat is better than yours... it's a fact you will one
day learn.

CM
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