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I was going to say something but those who live in glass houses . . .


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
Yes - as I said in an earlier post, we motorsailed

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This was Molly's introduction to beaches. She's loves the water, but still has mixed
feelings about swimming. After our next trip (hopefully the Vineyard in August) she'll
probably be jumping off the boat.

Fortunately, Molly is happy doing her business on the trampoline - we have a washdown hose
to clean it up. Notice her PFD - it also serves as a handle to carry her in and out of
the dink or launch.



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Cute Dog! Looks clean. Must just have gotten a bath.

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
Oars are not legal in any sailboat race. And remember, our stout Portuguese Water Dog
will be full grown and able to tow us at about three knots. You can see Molly is up
for
it already:
http://www.sv-loki.com/Img_1411a.jpg

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I've seen lots of dogs with that kind of CFD (canine flotation device).
It is so cute when people lift their dogs out of the dinghy by the handle.
Most dogs don't even seem embarrased about it they way they look
embarrassed when hefted up by the scruff of the neck with hand under
their tummies.


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
This was Molly's introduction to beaches. She's loves the water, but still has mixed
feelings about swimming. After our next trip (hopefully the Vineyard in August) she'll
probably be jumping off the boat.

Fortunately, Molly is happy doing her business on the trampoline - we have a washdown hose
to clean it up. Notice her PFD - it also serves as a handle to carry her in and out of
the dink or launch.



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Cute Dog! Looks clean. Must just have gotten a bath.

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
Oars are not legal in any sailboat race. And remember, our stout Portuguese Water Dog
will be full grown and able to tow us at about three knots. You can see Molly is up
for
it already:
http://www.sv-loki.com/Img_1411a.jpg

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What was that noise? Somebody fart?


"SkitchNYC" wrote in message ...
From: "Simple Simon"
Performance is in the figments in my head not the facts on paper.

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Darn. I was hoping Booby would have a chance to make a fool out of
himself by claiming it was impossible.

I was in the axis most of the time.


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
Sounds like you found the Gulf Stream.


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Real life sailing is far different than the imaginary sailing
you indulge in. It is a well-known fact that small boats
can make very impressive runs given the right conditions.

On one trip up the East Coast to Beaufort N.C. from
Florida my boat covered 210 miles over the ground in
a 24 hour period.

Performance is in the facts not the figures on paper.


"CANDChelp" wrote in message
...

Neals average speed claim, well above is theoretical hull speed seems
questionable. Jeff's speed as quoted appears understated.
There is no mistaking the specs on the Coronado. Under a steady hand in
aggresive conditions, she remains a slow cruiser. Her ratings reflect that.
Compare her specs to an older Catalina 27 TR and she's barely got a chance.
Against my C&C 32...bwaahahaa! I could sail with the main down and he wouldn't
have a chance.
Jeff's big multi? C'mon neal. You're just being foolish. That thing may be
faster on the back of a truck.

RB

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Darn. I was hoping Booby would have a chance to make a fool out of
himself by claiming it was impossible.

I was pretty close. I can only do so much in one day.

RB

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Perhaps with your 765% Genoa.

The one with Orkin printed on it?

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

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Alas it is not because he will be motoring

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:
My boat is faster in light winds than your C&C which stands
for Crud and Crudier.


"CANDChelp" wrote in message ...

Yours has too much drag from propellers and
the extra wetted surface of two hulls.


Of course Neal knows that his boat is slow, but this is still entertaining.

RB

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You fail again to not only heed your own sermons on wetted surface... but
you seem completely ignorant of the hull designs of either vessels. My
Nordica could outsail your coastal tub of a toy boat even if my vessel was
hove to the entire leg.

CM



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
| That might be true if SA/DISP was the only parameter.
|
| But, you seemed to have forgotten LWL, for example,
| which, on the Westsail is two and a fraction feet more
| than the Nordica resulting in a hull speed more then
| ten percent higher.
|
| It just so happens the SA/DISP ratio must be higher on
| the Nordica to overcome all that extra wetted surface and
| drag from aperture, fixed, three-bladed prop, horribly
| inefficient, transom-hung rudder, etc. Therefore, as
| you can easily see any advantage the higher SA/DISP
| confers is negated by the poor design.
|
| Since I can beat any Westsail 32, I can also beat a Nordica
| 30 which has a lower hull speed than the Westsail.
|
| Next time when you attempt to argue a point be sure to
| not neglect the entire picture while concentrating on one
| point only. I hope this helps.
|
|
|
|
| "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
| The Nordica's SA/disp is over 17; the Westsail is only 14.4. You might
have a chance
| against a WetSnail, but not the Nordica.
|
|
|
| "Simple Simon" wrote in message
| ...
| I can beat a Westsail 32 any day and your heavy full-keeler is
| slower than the average Westsail 32 by a significant amount.
|
| My beating Booby's boat is saying nothing at all. Booby's boat
| is probably faster than mine by a teensy margin but since he
| sails only using half his sails he doesn't have a chance even
| against a Seidelman or even the fine vessel depicted in this link:
|
|
|
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com...truck_boat_mh1
| 03.jpg
|
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
| Jeff... don't be drawn into this silly exercise of having Capt. Neal
claim
| he can best your vessel.... he hasn't a prayer of challenging even
me
| successfully and I'm certain your vessel is faster than mine on all
points.
|
| I must admit however that he could in all probability easily beat a
C&C 32
| with Bob at the helm... lets allow him that.
|
| CM
|
|
|
| "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
| ...
| | Your local knowledge won't help since I could shorten sail and
follow you
| anywhere. Then
| | I would simply sprint by you at the finish. I suppose if you call
| anything over 8 knots
| | "a blow" you might have a case. Its a good thing you don't sail
up here
| in the Fall.
| |SNIP
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|

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In light of my most recent discovery that my LWL is 25 feet instead
of the listed 22 feet - see post elsewhere and you can even measure
for yourself if you don't trust mine - and you will realize how out-
classed your slow boat is.


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ...
You fail again to not only heed your own sermons on wetted surface... but
you seem completely ignorant of the hull designs of either vessels. My
Nordica could outsail your coastal tub of a toy boat even if my vessel was
hove to the entire leg.

CM



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
| That might be true if SA/DISP was the only parameter.
|
| But, you seemed to have forgotten LWL, for example,
| which, on the Westsail is two and a fraction feet more
| than the Nordica resulting in a hull speed more then
| ten percent higher.
|
| It just so happens the SA/DISP ratio must be higher on
| the Nordica to overcome all that extra wetted surface and
| drag from aperture, fixed, three-bladed prop, horribly
| inefficient, transom-hung rudder, etc. Therefore, as
| you can easily see any advantage the higher SA/DISP
| confers is negated by the poor design.
|
| Since I can beat any Westsail 32, I can also beat a Nordica
| 30 which has a lower hull speed than the Westsail.
|
| Next time when you attempt to argue a point be sure to
| not neglect the entire picture while concentrating on one
| point only. I hope this helps.
|
|
|
|
| "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
| The Nordica's SA/disp is over 17; the Westsail is only 14.4. You might
have a chance
| against a WetSnail, but not the Nordica.
|
|
|
| "Simple Simon" wrote in message
| ...
| I can beat a Westsail 32 any day and your heavy full-keeler is
| slower than the average Westsail 32 by a significant amount.
|
| My beating Booby's boat is saying nothing at all. Booby's boat
| is probably faster than mine by a teensy margin but since he
| sails only using half his sails he doesn't have a chance even
| against a Seidelman or even the fine vessel depicted in this link:
|
|
|
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com...truck_boat_mh1
| 03.jpg
|
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
| Jeff... don't be drawn into this silly exercise of having Capt. Neal
claim
| he can best your vessel.... he hasn't a prayer of challenging even
me
| successfully and I'm certain your vessel is faster than mine on all
points.
|
| I must admit however that he could in all probability easily beat a
C&C 32
| with Bob at the helm... lets allow him that.
|
| CM
|
|
|
| "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
| ...
| | Your local knowledge won't help since I could shorten sail and
follow you
| anywhere. Then
| | I would simply sprint by you at the finish. I suppose if you call
| anything over 8 knots
| | "a blow" you might have a case. Its a good thing you don't sail
up here
| in the Fall.
| |SNIP
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|

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My
Nordica could outsail your coastal tub of a toy boat even if my vessel was
hove to the entire leg.


....And dragging an angry Leopard Seal.


RB

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"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
| On the contrary. It is indicative of the fact that I have sailed in
| company with many a cruising boat and it turned out I am
| faster than all but a few. This is a result of my being a better
| sailor and having my boat maximized for efficiency and speed.
|
| I know the value of such things as a clean, smooth and faired
| bottom. I know the necessity of an efficient, balanced spade
| rudder and fin keel. I know how to trim the hull by proper weight
| placement for maximum speed through the water. I know what
| sail to bend on under a variety of conditions. I know how to
| trim sails for maximum efficiency.

.... and "I know" that you know the desperation of owning a small vessel and
being outmatched in every way by a better built, well founded, superior
vessel like my Nordica 30


I realize that a boat is slowed
| down terribly by dragging a fixed prop in an aperture which is
| cut into a high-wetted surface full keel. I know all about tip
| vortex action on sails and how they produce unacceptable
| drag. I know how to minimize said little tornadoes. I realize
| the stupidity of hanging anchors on long bowsprits.

The trepidation and angst you dwell upon is due entirely to your inability
to comprehend the sheer power afforded by a true blue water vessel... as
opposed to the coastal biscuit you are familiar with. I laugh at your
discussion of weight distribution.... my vessel can carry the weight of
your flimsy banana boat and still afford room for pallets of beer while
handily beating any comparable vessel in a race.


|
| Your boat doesn't have a chance against mine until and unless
| you have enough wind to reach your hull speed (probably about
| twenty knots with all the drag you have) which is the only thing
| about your boat that betters mine and even this only betters
| mine by less than half a knot.

Everything about my boat is better than yours... it's a fact you will one
day learn.

CM
|

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Anything you say, Moroon. Ha ha ahah ah hah ah ah ah !

There is one glaring error in your reply however. Everything
about your boat is NOT better. Take the LWL, for example,
my vessel also has a LWL of 25 feet. This means her hull
speed is the same as yours.

Bwwwaa ahah a h ha ha hah ah ah ah ha hah !


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ...

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
| On the contrary. It is indicative of the fact that I have sailed in
| company with many a cruising boat and it turned out I am
| faster than all but a few. This is a result of my being a better
| sailor and having my boat maximized for efficiency and speed.
|
| I know the value of such things as a clean, smooth and faired
| bottom. I know the necessity of an efficient, balanced spade
| rudder and fin keel. I know how to trim the hull by proper weight
| placement for maximum speed through the water. I know what
| sail to bend on under a variety of conditions. I know how to
| trim sails for maximum efficiency.

... and "I know" that you know the desperation of owning a small vessel and
being outmatched in every way by a better built, well founded, superior
vessel like my Nordica 30


I realize that a boat is slowed
| down terribly by dragging a fixed prop in an aperture which is
| cut into a high-wetted surface full keel. I know all about tip
| vortex action on sails and how they produce unacceptable
| drag. I know how to minimize said little tornadoes. I realize
| the stupidity of hanging anchors on long bowsprits.

The trepidation and angst you dwell upon is due entirely to your inability
to comprehend the sheer power afforded by a true blue water vessel... as
opposed to the coastal biscuit you are familiar with. I laugh at your
discussion of weight distribution.... my vessel can carry the weight of
your flimsy banana boat and still afford room for pallets of beer while
handily beating any comparable vessel in a race.


|
| Your boat doesn't have a chance against mine until and unless
| you have enough wind to reach your hull speed (probably about
| twenty knots with all the drag you have) which is the only thing
| about your boat that betters mine and even this only betters
| mine by less than half a knot.

Everything about my boat is better than yours... it's a fact you will one
day learn.

CM
|

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That's not saying much.

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
Jeff... don't be drawn into this silly exercise of having Capt. Neal claim
he can best your vessel.... he hasn't a prayer of challenging even me
successfully and I'm certain your vessel is faster than mine on all
points.

I must admit however that he could in all probability easily beat a C&C 32
with Bob at the helm... lets allow him that.

CM



"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
| Your local knowledge won't help since I could shorten sail and follow
you
anywhere. Then
| I would simply sprint by you at the finish. I suppose if you call
anything over 8 knots
| "a blow" you might have a case. Its a good thing you don't sail up here
in the Fall.
|SNIP

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Take the LWL, for example,
my vessel also has a LWL of 25 feet. This means her hull
speed is the same as yours.

A J30 and Express 30 are both faster than a Catalina 36, though the Catalina
has more LWL.
LWL is but one factor and your boat falls short in most others.
Just the same, even if your boat could do 20 knots, it's still ugly crap that
no real sailor would ever buy.
Next Week: Scotty seeks Coronado 30!!!

RB