If you have to ask you probably won't take good advice
anyway.

1) there is NO substitute for weight when it comes to anchoring
2) combination rodes consisting of three-strand nylon and chain are
the best choice.
3) two anchors placed so they pull against each other are always better
than one.
4) one anchor in light and fluky winds especially if there are currents
can and often do 'trip out' and don't reset because the chain is
wrapped around the shank or crown.
5) if one wishes to have a good night's sleep in the event of a squall
or frontal passage, two anchors set pulling against each other is
the only way to ensure it.
6) One should always consider that conditions change and one should
anchor for the maximum likely conditions of wind and current.


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
OK, so what's your advice? Chrome his anchor?



"CANDChelp" wrote in message
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If the wind is really light, you're probably just sitting to the anchor chain.
Before I
switched to the "anchor smarter, not heavier" philosophy


Great ceasar's Ghost.

RB

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
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If you have to ask you probably won't take good advice
anyway.


I don't have to ask, and I probably wouldn't take RB's advice. Your's, as usual, is a bit
flawed.

1) there is NO substitute for weight when it comes to anchoring

Sure there is. Anchors have evolved considerably from rocks tied to vines. Might I
remind you that the Danforth anchors you seem to favor are called "lightweight" anchors.
Also, using two lighter anchors is not the "heavier is better" technique, that would
advise using a single large CQR and a heavy chain.

2) combination rodes consisting of three-strand nylon and chain are
the best choice.

I agree - that's why I cut my 90 foot chain rode in half to make two chain-nylon rodes.
This also is part of the "anchor smarter" approach.

3) two anchors placed so they pull against each other are always better
than one.

I often use two, but they don't "pull against each other." Usually they are placed the
45 degree double anchor configuration, where they share the load and limit the swing.
Sometimes I use a Bahamian Moor, up current and down current, where only one is under
tension at any time........

4) one anchor in light and fluky winds especially if there are currents
can and often do 'trip out' and don't reset because the chain is
wrapped around the shank or crown.

True for many bottoms, but those that anchor in the soft mud of the Chesapeake say this
doesn't happen.


5) if one wishes to have a good night's sleep in the event of a squall
or frontal passage, two anchors set pulling against each other is
the only way to ensure it.

OK - but what's this "pulling against" thing you have?

6) One should always consider that conditions change and one should
anchor for the maximum likely conditions of wind and current.


Duh.

Also, using two lighter anchors is not the "heavier is better" technique, that
would
advise using a single large CQR and a heavy chain.

Please indicate a situation where a lightweight danforth would do better
holding than a heavier danforth.

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Also, using two lighter anchors is not the "heavier is better" technique, that
would
advise using a single large CQR and a heavy chain.

Please indicate a situation where a lightweight danforth would do better
holding than a heavier danforth.

RB

Sorry about another blank post - too much coffee again ...

I'm not a fan of a single small Danforth, but I will explain why I would favor a 35# Delta
with 5/16 chain and /16 nylon, over a 45# CQR with 3/8 chain and 5/8 nylon.

First of all, the Delta has been shown to set faster and hold better than the larger CQR,
but assuming that their holding abilities are roughly the same, I favor the lighter gear
because its easier to set and easier to retrieve. I've found that most people, myself
included, tend to leave a heavy anchor where it is first deployed, even if the situation
is not ideal. With light gear, I'll often reset if I'm not happy with the result, or if
the situation changes.

So to answer your question, heavy gear deployed in a marginal position is not as desirable
as lighter gear deployed in an optimal location.

Since I sail a lightweight boat, I have no desire to load it with oversized gear; I'd
rather use the extra weight to carry multiple anchors and rodes, to use when the situation
gets more complicated.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Also, using two lighter anchors is not the "heavier is better" technique, that
would
advise using a single large CQR and a heavy chain.

Please indicate a situation where a lightweight danforth would do better
holding than a heavier danforth.

RB

So to answer your question, heavy gear deployed in a marginal position is not
as desirable
as lighter gear deployed in an optimal location.

But all other factors being equal, and space not being an issue, is there not a
clear advantage for the heavier hook?

RB

Is this a trick question? If you don't include factors that are against heavy gear, what
you're left with are the factors in favor. Yes, in general, with two similar designed
anchors, the heavier/larger will hold better. But holding power is only part of the
story. For instance, in certain consistencies of mud, a smaller anchor will dig in
quicker. The large shank of the CQR can work against it in this situation.


"CANDChelp" wrote in message
...
So to answer your question, heavy gear deployed in a marginal position is not
as desirable
as lighter gear deployed in an optimal location.

But all other factors being equal, and space not being an issue, is there not a
clear advantage for the heavier hook?

RB

The reason I use 3/8'' chain is, I get it for free.

Scotty

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
Sorry about another blank post - too much coffee again ...

I'm not a fan of a single small Danforth, but I will explain why I would
favor a 35# Delta
with 5/16 chain and /16 nylon, over a 45# CQR with 3/8 chain and 5/8
nylon.

First of all, the Delta has been shown to set faster and hold better than
the larger CQR,
but assuming that their holding abilities are roughly the same, I favor
the lighter gear
because its easier to set and easier to retrieve. I've found that most
people, myself
included, tend to leave a heavy anchor where it is first deployed, even if
the situation
is not ideal. With light gear, I'll often reset if I'm not happy with the
result, or if
the situation changes.

So to answer your question, heavy gear deployed in a marginal position is
not as desirable
as lighter gear deployed in an optimal location.

Since I sail a lightweight boat, I have no desire to load it with
oversized gear; I'd
rather use the extra weight to carry multiple anchors and rodes, to use
when the situation
gets more complicated.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Also, using two lighter anchors is not the "heavier is better"
technique, that
would
advise using a single large CQR and a heavy chain.

Please indicate a situation where a lightweight danforth would do better
holding than a heavier danforth.

RB

Very sticky mud, light wind, not much current or tidal change.
It would be better, because holding is only part of it. You also
have to retrieve it. A light DF is easier to retrieve and in those
conditions appropriate.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Also, using two lighter anchors is not the "heavier is better" technique,
that
would
advise using a single large CQR and a heavy chain.

Please indicate a situation where a lightweight danforth would do better
holding than a heavier danforth.

RB

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
If you have to ask you probably won't take good advice
anyway.

1) there is NO substitute for weight when it comes to anchoring

Total BS. The appropriate anchor and techique is the no-substitute
option.

2) combination rodes consisting of three-strand nylon and chain are
the best choice.

Depends on the length of chain for the conditions.

3) two anchors placed so they pull against each other are always better
than one.

Huh? Like 180 degrees??

4) one anchor in light and fluky winds especially if there are currents
can and often do 'trip out' and don't reset because the chain is
wrapped around the shank or crown.

In light and fluky winds, one anchor is probably fine unless the
bottom warrants something more.

5) if one wishes to have a good night's sleep in the event of a squall
or frontal passage, two anchors set pulling against each other is
the only way to ensure it.

Again... 180 degrees?? Total BS.

6) One should always consider that conditions change and one should
anchor for the maximum likely conditions of wind and current.

This is Horey's theory. Let's see, I'm on a lake with no water movement
unless they open up the dam. Ok, I guess I have to plan for that, so what
size anchor do I need?????


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
OK, so what's your advice? Chrome his anchor?



"CANDChelp" wrote in message
...
If the wind is really light, you're probably just sitting to the
anchor chain.
Before I
switched to the "anchor smarter, not heavier" philosophy


Great ceasar's Ghost.

RB