Dan buoys
 

The weather was fair and the high winds had subsided this WE so we did
some offshore MOB drills. Threw the Dan buoy over and the damn thing
nearly sank! I could not see any defect in the float. Just a warning,
your Dan buoy may be near useless so test it! Bought a new one ~80 USD.
How many here have them I wonder -they really are essential off shore kit.

Then my partner mader her first docking (on the second try). This is
impressive because the 40' long dock is only 3' wider than the boat so
it really takes some fine judgement. We did not even touch the side!

Cheers MC

Dan buoys
 

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
| The weather was fair and the high winds had subsided this WE so we did
| some offshore MOB drills. Threw the Dan buoy over and the damn thing
| nearly sank! I could not see any defect in the float. Just a warning,
| your Dan buoy may be near useless so test it! Bought a new one ~80 USD.
| How many here have them I wonder -they really are essential off shore kit.

What's a "Dan Bouy"???


| Then my partner mader her first docking (on the second try). This is
| impressive because the 40' long dock is only 3' wider than the boat so
| it really takes some fine judgement. We did not even touch the side!

It sounds from the description you gave that the little lady put Ella bang
*onto* the dock....

CM

Dan buoys
 

No she got the point where you start the turn in across the interdock
channel (~60' wide) wrong and backed out for another try. Smart eh?

Cheers MC

Capt. Mooron wrote:
"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
| The weather was fair and the high winds had subsided this WE so we did
| some offshore MOB drills. Threw the Dan buoy over and the damn thing
| nearly sank! I could not see any defect in the float. Just a warning,
| your Dan buoy may be near useless so test it! Bought a new one ~80 USD.
| How many here have them I wonder -they really are essential off shore kit.

What's a "Dan Bouy"???


| Then my partner mader her first docking (on the second try). This is
| impressive because the 40' long dock is only 3' wider than the boat so
| it really takes some fine judgement. We did not even touch the side!

It sounds from the description you gave that the little lady put Ella bang
*onto* the dock....

CM

Dan buoys
 

Yeah... but what's a Dan Bouy?

CM

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
| No she got the point where you start the turn in across the interdock
| channel (~60' wide) wrong and backed out for another try. Smart eh?
|
| Cheers MC
|
| Capt. Mooron wrote:
| "The_navigator©" wrote in message
| ...
| | The weather was fair and the high winds had subsided this WE so we did
| | some offshore MOB drills. Threw the Dan buoy over and the damn thing
| | nearly sank! I could not see any defect in the float. Just a warning,
| | your Dan buoy may be near useless so test it! Bought a new one ~80
USD.
| | How many here have them I wonder -they really are essential off shore
kit.
|
| What's a "Dan Bouy"???
|
|
| | Then my partner mader her first docking (on the second try). This is
| | impressive because the 40' long dock is only 3' wider than the boat so
| | it really takes some fine judgement. We did not even touch the side!
|
| It sounds from the description you gave that the little lady put Ella
bang
| *onto* the dock....
|
| CM
|
|
|

Dan buoys
 

Don't worry your littkle head about it. It's only for serious off shore use.

Cheers MC

Capt. Mooron wrote:
Yeah... but what's a Dan Bouy?

CM

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
| No she got the point where you start the turn in across the interdock
| channel (~60' wide) wrong and backed out for another try. Smart eh?
|
| Cheers MC
|
| Capt. Mooron wrote:
| "The_navigator©" wrote in message
| ...
| | The weather was fair and the high winds had subsided this WE so we did
| | some offshore MOB drills. Threw the Dan buoy over and the damn thing
| | nearly sank! I could not see any defect in the float. Just a warning,
| | your Dan buoy may be near useless so test it! Bought a new one ~80
USD.
| | How many here have them I wonder -they really are essential off shore
kit.
|
| What's a "Dan Bouy"???
|
|
| | Then my partner mader her first docking (on the second try). This is
| | impressive because the 40' long dock is only 3' wider than the boat so
| | it really takes some fine judgement. We did not even touch the side!
|
| It sounds from the description you gave that the little lady put Ella
bang
| *onto* the dock....
|
| CM
|
|
|

Dan buoys
 

Thx Wally.....


A friggin' MOB pole..... I got one.


CM

"Wally" wrote in message
...
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:PmHSa.44091
|
| Yeah... but what's a Dan Bouy?
|
| http://seamarknunn.co.uk/catalog/subcat93.htm
|
|
| --
| Wally
| I demand rigidly-defined areas of uncertainty!
| www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk
|
|
|

Dan buoys
 

Yeah... but what's a Dan Bouy?

It's a golf hole flag on a fiberglass pole with a floaty thingabob....no human would float up that high...best to use grandkids
for MOB drills...more lifelike...especially if you pay them to scream alot...
--
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s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Dan buoys
 

On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 22:49:48 -0300, "Capt. Mooron" wrote:

Thx Wally.....


A friggin' MOB pole..... I got one.


But what if the guy who fell over isn't named "Dan"?

S/V Cat's Meow
http://www.catsmeow.org

Dan buoys
 

But what if the guy who fell over isn't named "Dan"?

Then he'd be a "bob"....
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Dan buoys
 

On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:01:01 +1200, The_navigator©
wrote this crap:

Then my partner mader her first docking (on the second try). This is
impressive because the 40' long dock is only 3' wider than the boat so
it really takes some fine judgement. We did not even touch the side!

Wuss! My dock space is only one foot wider than my beam.




Ave Imperator Bush!
Bush Was Right! Four More Beers!

Dan buoys
 

A foot is all you should need.

The slip where I kept my Nonsuch gave me a little over a foot, but it was double loaded so
I had a boat on my starboard side to worry about.

To make matters worse, the marina (Constitution Marina) is at the mouth of the Charles
River, so when the engineers decide to drop the river in advance of rain there can be a
two knot current running down the fairway.

The last time we docked the Nonsuch we were coming in late from Provincetown with a broken
shift cable. My wife was below, ready to push the lever on the transmission; seeing the
current I knew we had to come in fast. I lined it up and yelled for reverse - my wife
screamed when she realized how hot the shifter was was. She finally shifted, and I gave
it full throttle and the throttle cable broke, leaving us backing out of the slip with no
controls left. I killed the engine, fending off the boat opposite our slip, and started
calling for help as we were swept down the fairway. Fortunately, its a liveaboard marina
and several people appeared - one tossed a line and helped us into an unused slip.

The next morning we called the broker and told them we were ready to sell.


"Oz1" wrote in message
...
On 21 Jul 2003 05:57:06 GMT, Horvath wrote:


Wuss! My dock space is only one foot wider than my beam.




So exactly where do you buy your trousers?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Dan buoys
 

What if the guy who fell overboard had no arms and no legs,
what would he be called?

Skip!


"katysails" wrote in message ...

But what if the guy who fell over isn't named "Dan"?

Then he'd be a "bob"....
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Dan buoys
 

See, Katy! Jeff has just described the typical cluster f*ck that
happens when there is a reliance on unnecessary systems. Sailing
becomes secondary to the care and feeding of broken systems
that are not necessary in the first place and idiots who rely on
them become so unaware of the folly of their ways that they
consider an ongoing cluster f*ck as par for the course.

No wonder so many of you fools end up spending more time
on the toilet ashore in your air conditioning than sailing.



"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
A foot is all you should need.

The slip where I kept my Nonsuch gave me a little over a foot, but it was double loaded so
I had a boat on my starboard side to worry about.

To make matters worse, the marina (Constitution Marina) is at the mouth of the Charles
River, so when the engineers decide to drop the river in advance of rain there can be a
two knot current running down the fairway.

The last time we docked the Nonsuch we were coming in late from Provincetown with a broken
shift cable. My wife was below, ready to push the lever on the transmission; seeing the
current I knew we had to come in fast. I lined it up and yelled for reverse - my wife
screamed when she realized how hot the shifter was was. She finally shifted, and I gave
it full throttle and the throttle cable broke, leaving us backing out of the slip with no
controls left. I killed the engine, fending off the boat opposite our slip, and started
calling for help as we were swept down the fairway. Fortunately, its a liveaboard marina
and several people appeared - one tossed a line and helped us into an unused slip.

The next morning we called the broker and told them we were ready to sell.


"Oz1" wrote in message
...
On 21 Jul 2003 05:57:06 GMT, Horvath wrote:


Wuss! My dock space is only one foot wider than my beam.




So exactly where do you buy your trousers?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Dan buoys
 

What cluster f*ck? I had multiple mechanical failures in tight quarters, with a strong
current, in the dark. My boat ended up in a slip without touching any other boat - no
damage was caused, and I only needed someone to catch a line.


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
See, Katy! Jeff has just described the typical cluster f*ck that
happens when there is a reliance on unnecessary systems. Sailing
becomes secondary to the care and feeding of broken systems
that are not necessary in the first place and idiots who rely on
them become so unaware of the folly of their ways that they
consider an ongoing cluster f*ck as par for the course.

No wonder so many of you fools end up spending more time
on the toilet ashore in your air conditioning than sailing.



"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
A foot is all you should need.

The slip where I kept my Nonsuch gave me a little over a foot, but it was double
loaded so
I had a boat on my starboard side to worry about.

To make matters worse, the marina (Constitution Marina) is at the mouth of the Charles
River, so when the engineers decide to drop the river in advance of rain there can be
a
two knot current running down the fairway.

The last time we docked the Nonsuch we were coming in late from Provincetown with a
broken
shift cable. My wife was below, ready to push the lever on the transmission; seeing
the
current I knew we had to come in fast. I lined it up and yelled for reverse - my wife
screamed when she realized how hot the shifter was was. She finally shifted, and I
gave
it full throttle and the throttle cable broke, leaving us backing out of the slip with
no
controls left. I killed the engine, fending off the boat opposite our slip, and
started
calling for help as we were swept down the fairway. Fortunately, its a liveaboard
marina
and several people appeared - one tossed a line and helped us into an unused slip.

The next morning we called the broker and told them we were ready to sell.


"Oz1" wrote in message
...
On 21 Jul 2003 05:57:06 GMT, Horvath wrote:


Wuss! My dock space is only one foot wider than my beam.




So exactly where do you buy your trousers?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Dan buoys
 

Did it ever occur to you that you claim to be a sailor?

Did it not further occur to you that you would not have
"multiple mechanical failures" if you did not insist on having
multiple mechanical systems? Does it not sound just a little
pathetic that you sound more like a mechanic than a sailor?

Simple, tried and true, time-tested ways and means are
always the best when it comes to sailing. Rid yourself
of your dependence upon the unnecessary that fails and
you will be a better sailor. I know. I speak from experience.

When it comes to sailing one must . . .

1) keep it small enough to sail all by yourself,
2) keep it simple and look for ways to make it simpler,
3) if you need help to do any task then it is still too complicated
or too big.

I hope this helps.




"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
What cluster f*ck? I had multiple mechanical failures in tight quarters, with a strong
current, in the dark. My boat ended up in a slip without touching any other boat - no
damage was caused, and I only needed someone to catch a line.


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
See, Katy! Jeff has just described the typical cluster f*ck that
happens when there is a reliance on unnecessary systems. Sailing
becomes secondary to the care and feeding of broken systems
that are not necessary in the first place and idiots who rely on
them become so unaware of the folly of their ways that they
consider an ongoing cluster f*ck as par for the course.

No wonder so many of you fools end up spending more time
on the toilet ashore in your air conditioning than sailing.



"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
A foot is all you should need.

The slip where I kept my Nonsuch gave me a little over a foot, but it was double
loaded so
I had a boat on my starboard side to worry about.

To make matters worse, the marina (Constitution Marina) is at the mouth of the Charles
River, so when the engineers decide to drop the river in advance of rain there can be
a
two knot current running down the fairway.

The last time we docked the Nonsuch we were coming in late from Provincetown with a
broken
shift cable. My wife was below, ready to push the lever on the transmission; seeing
the
current I knew we had to come in fast. I lined it up and yelled for reverse - my wife
screamed when she realized how hot the shifter was was. She finally shifted, and I
gave
it full throttle and the throttle cable broke, leaving us backing out of the slip with
no
controls left. I killed the engine, fending off the boat opposite our slip, and
started
calling for help as we were swept down the fairway. Fortunately, its a liveaboard
marina
and several people appeared - one tossed a line and helped us into an unused slip.

The next morning we called the broker and told them we were ready to sell.


"Oz1" wrote in message
...
On 21 Jul 2003 05:57:06 GMT, Horvath wrote:


Wuss! My dock space is only one foot wider than my beam.




So exactly where do you buy your trousers?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Dan buoys
 

If he's wearing a PFD, it would be Bob!

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
What if the guy who fell overboard had no arms and no legs,
what would he be called?

Skip!


"katysails" wrote in message
...

But what if the guy who fell over isn't named "Dan"?

Then he'd be a "bob"....
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Dan buoys
 

Think spandex.

"Oz1" wrote in message
...
On 21 Jul 2003 05:57:06 GMT, Horvath wrote:


Wuss! My dock space is only one foot wider than my beam.




So exactly where do you buy your trousers?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Dan buoys
 

Did it not further occur to you that you would not have
"multiple mechanical failures" if you did not insist on having
multiple mechanical systems? Does it not sound just a little
pathetic that you sound more like a mechanic than a sailor?


Remember when we were all kids and they had those search and find pictures in coloring books? Someone should go to Neal's
website and start circling all the mechanical and electrical devices he owns and uses quite religiously...How can one person be
so unaware of their own surroundings?
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Dan buoys
 

"Oz1" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 11:30:30 -0400, "Jeff Morris"
jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote:

What cluster f*ck? I had multiple mechanical failures in tight quarters, with a strong
current, in the dark. My boat ended up in a slip without touching any other boat - no
damage was caused, and I only needed someone to catch a line.

You know Jeff, if you had hit something and caused damage, chances are
your insurance company would refuse to pay up because of your faulty
maintenance ..... for starters.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Dan buoys
 

You just wanted us to read it again?


From: "Jeff Morris"


"Oz1" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 11:30:30 -0400, "Jeff Morris"
jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote:

What cluster f*ck? I had multiple mechanical failures in tight quarters,
with a strong
current, in the dark. My boat ended up in a slip without touching any
other boat - no
damage was caused, and I only needed someone to catch a line.

You know Jeff, if you had hit something and caused damage, chances are
your insurance company would refuse to pay up because of your faulty
maintenance ..... for starters.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Dan buoys
 

No, they certainly would have paid. For starters, I don't know what maintenance would
have prevented the throttle cable break - there was no binding, it was well lubricated,
and the break was, IIRC, inside the swaged fitting on the end.

And besides, unless I was told it was about to break and I said don't bother fixing it,
the insurance would cover it. Most insurance claims have, underlying them, some degree of
human error. Almost every collision is someone's fault - are you saying they don't pay
off in those cases?


"Oz1" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 11:30:30 -0400, "Jeff Morris"
jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote:

What cluster f*ck? I had multiple mechanical failures in tight quarters, with a strong
current, in the dark. My boat ended up in a slip without touching any other boat - no
damage was caused, and I only needed someone to catch a line.

You know Jeff, if you had hit something and caused damage, chances are
your insurance company would refuse to pay up because of your faulty
maintenance ..... for starters.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Dan buoys
 

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
What if the guy who fell overboard had no arms and no legs,
what would he be called?


If he managed to swim ashore, he would be called Clever Dick!



Regards


Donal
--

Dan buoys
 

This was not an "all risk" policy. If you get partial insurance, you are partially
covered. It sounds like the charter company was underinsured.



"Oz1" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 18:23:59 -0400, "Jeff Morris"
jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote:

No, they certainly would have paid. For starters, I don't know what maintenance would
have prevented the throttle cable break - there was no binding, it was well lubricated,
and the break was, IIRC, inside the swaged fitting on the end.

And besides, unless I was told it was about to break and I said don't bother fixing it,
the insurance would cover it. Most insurance claims have, underlying them, some degree
of
human error. Almost every collision is someone's fault - are you saying they don't pay
off in those cases?


I'm saying they would look seriously at the case if any major damage
was caused which resulted in a large liability.
Friend was driving a charter boat when the gear cable snapped as he
was reversing into a slip.
The boat ran at near full throttle up over the slip end bending the
rudder and then fell sideways onto the boat next to it tearing out a
section of deck and hull.
Remote location with no slipway available meant flying in boatbuilders
to do a temp repair on both, then sailing them a thousand miles to a
slipway for proper repairs then return.
Insurance coy (Lloyds) refused claim because there was evidence that
the cables had some corrosion and that prudence would indicate the
regular replacement of such a vital piece of equipment on a regular
basis. Much like refusal to pay dismasting claims when the rigging is
over 10 years old and not been die checked or renewed.

Charter company wore the bill after trying to get at my friend without
success.

Oh and you would also have incurred liability by trying to slip the
boat without effective control...your wife in the engine bay would not
be considered effective control evidenced by the inability to maintain
control.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Dan buoys
 

pussy! my slip is 4'' narrower than my beam.

Scotty

"Horvath" wrote
Then my partner mader her first docking (on the second try). This is
impressive because the 40' long dock is only 3' wider than the boat so
it really takes some fine judgement. We did not even touch the side!

Wuss! My dock space is only one foot wider than my beam.

Dan buoys
 

pussy! my slip is 4'' narrower than my beam.

Scotty

ohoh...you'd better get a Bendy, then...

--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

Dan buoys
 

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:30:34 -0400, "Scott Vernon"
wrote this crap:

pussy! my slip is 4'' narrower than my bean.

So is your brain.


Ouch! Are you always this cruel?