Simple,

You're getting worst than Nutsy. "America's Cuppers" sail downwind from
lay line to Layline, Gybing several times in so doing, If it was
faster, why does the windward boat cover the Lee boat sailing for the
Layline. Using your logic ,the trailing boat would gain the lead and
with no trouble passing by going straight downwind

Boy, what a downwind leg it would be between you and CM!!! Oh Yeah!!!!

Ole Thom
P/S Neal I have many, many tapes of America Cupper downwind, Even going
back to the 12 Meters. Everyone with Gybing downwind. I could let you
have one if it would help you

Ole Thom

Thanks Steve,

I used a lower wind speed on the 150 angle so I Could use the 30x60
trinagle.
I've had trouble with Simple about exceeding wind speed downwind. I
didn't want to get into exceeding hull speed and surfing all in one
bite. This way I'm able to use visual angle and distances without
working trig formulars.

OT

"Thomas Stewart" wrote in message

| Boy, what a downwind leg it would be between you and CM!!! Oh Yeah!!!!

Thom it wouldn't even be a contest... I would be so far ahead of Neal he
would be checking to make sure he had unhitched his mooring painters. In a
DDW leg racing in light to moderate winds I'll broad reach and gybe.... in
really gusty winds or wind speeds in excess of 30 knots it's just plain
safer, quicker and easier to wing on wing and avoid not only the stress on
the rig from a gybe but the loss in momentum and speed from the action
itself.

Nonetheless... I so rarely race anymore that it's a non issue. I'll take the
hassle free goose winged set any day.

CM

75 miles off and return in 3 days? That's 50 miles a day?
Wow, now that's fast!

Do you think I'm leaving from Sandy Hook, Ganzy?

RB

I think I need to start racing. I could humiliate these clods.
These racers are really stupid to think given wind enough to
reach hull speed on a downwind run that they can go faster
than hull speed by jybing downwind. Sorry, unless your
boat planes off you will take longer to the leeward mark
fooling around with lay lines, polars and any other crap
that you want to come up with than if you just popped a
chute and ran straight to the mark.

Consider this. It only takes ten or twelve knots to drive
my fine vessel to hull speed downwind using a cruising
spinnaker poled out. If these racing wimps only race in
lighter winds than that then they are sissies and bums not
worthy of the name sailor.


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ...

"Thomas Stewart" wrote in message

| Boy, what a downwind leg it would be between you and CM!!! Oh Yeah!!!!

Thom it wouldn't even be a contest... I would be so far ahead of Neal he
would be checking to make sure he had unhitched his mooring painters. In a
DDW leg racing in light to moderate winds I'll broad reach and gybe.... in
really gusty winds or wind speeds in excess of 30 knots it's just plain
safer, quicker and easier to wing on wing and avoid not only the stress on
the rig from a gybe but the loss in momentum and speed from the action
itself.

Nonetheless... I so rarely race anymore that it's a non issue. I'll take the
hassle free goose winged set any day.

CM

My Friend Neal,

Please don't try racing. At times you are enough embarrassement to the
ASA without proving it as a fact. Besides you can't race with those
potted plants sitting on your self. stay on your mooring.

If you know anything about anything, the rating on the "Banana Boat"
would be so slow you'd have to race in the cruising class. That my
friend in a class that doesn't allow Flying Sails. For your information
your Assy. Spinn is a flying sail. Not allowed. However, that blown out
Main of yours might work as a good downwind Chute :^)

Now, about "AM CUPPERS" going downwind. Neal, If you've ever watch the
races, you've must have seen them turn the weather mark where one vessel
will choose a Gybe SET and the other will choose a BEAR AWAY SET. Even
with SPINNAKERS they are working on wind ANGLES for their downwind runs.
They know which way the wind is blowing. They send crew up the mast to
assure this. Why Oh Seaman Supreme, does this happen?

Also, If you have an ASSY you must also be aware that is an off wind
reaching sail. Even poled out it is more efficient cracked off dead
downwind, aren't you?

Ole Thom

The shortest distance between two points is a straight line.

Sailing the straight line is faster downwind unless the winds
are light and fluky. Given any decent wind the boat with
chute going directly from point to point will beat some
geek chasing lay lines and looking at polar predictions
every time. That's a fact. I suggest you go watch a few
more races and you will see just what I mean.

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message ...
My Friend Neal,

Please don't try racing. At times you are enough embarrassement to the
ASA without proving it as a fact. Besides you can't race with those
potted plants sitting on your self. stay on your mooring.

If you know anything about anything, the rating on the "Banana Boat"
would be so slow you'd have to race in the cruising class. That my
friend in a class that doesn't allow Flying Sails. For your information
your Assy. Spinn is a flying sail. Not allowed. However, that blown out
Main of yours might work as a good downwind Chute :^)

Now, about "AM CUPPERS" going downwind. Neal, If you've ever watch the
races, you've must have seen them turn the weather mark where one vessel
will choose a Gybe SET and the other will choose a BEAR AWAY SET. Even
with SPINNAKERS they are working on wind ANGLES for their downwind runs.
They know which way the wind is blowing. They send crew up the mast to
assure this. Why Oh Seaman Supreme, does this happen?

Also, If you have an ASSY you must also be aware that is an off wind
reaching sail. Even poled out it is more efficient cracked off dead
downwind, aren't you?

Ole Thom

Neal,

I picked wind speeds at or below hull speeds. This is the conditions
where Gybing downwind works. You have to be able to gain about a 30%
increase in speed with less than a 30% change of course from the wind.
If you can't do this you are forced to join the parade to the Gybe
marker.

Ole Thom