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So true. The market is in limbo and just about every big business is dying or
stagnant. The war did nothing but cost money and American lives, and still worse...our president lied openly. I don't think history will excuse him for it. And Saddam, Bin Laden and terrorist groups go on with even more members joining the ranks than ever before. Thanks, mister Bush. All things considered, it now appears that the gigantic chore undertaken by the United States Military, the State Department, the Pentagon, and U.S. intelligence agencies to invade and occupy Iraq has not yielded one single victory in the War on Terrorism. Mr. Bush’s strategy to combat terror was undoubtedly doomed to fail from the beginning. Military force was his one and only answer to the events of 9/11, and despite massive increases in defense spending and a budget-busting war in Iraq, America has nothing to show for its efforts in the War on Terrorism. These immense costs, coupled with Mr. Bush’s trillion-dollar tax cut package, are directly responsible for what is now the biggest budget deficit in United States history. |
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Keep it up Booby. I love seeing you set yourself up
for a fall that is coming in the very near future. Haven't you noticed how the Dems have shifted their focus from no WMDs all of a sudden to an obscure claim that President George W. Bush lied about British intelligence that turned out to be forged. These Dems have found out that there will soon be released undeniable proof of weapons of mass destruction so they will look like fools so they are attempting to change the subject before their pimply faces are rubbed in it. So, like a bunch of little children they are now yelling, "YOU LIED!" Pathetic, Booby, pathetic. Even you are capable of something better than this. What a wuss! "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... So true. The market is in limbo and just about every big business is dying or |
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Haven't you noticed how the Dems have shifted their
focus from no WMDs all of a sudden to an obscure claim that President George W. Bush lied about British intelligence that turned out to be forged. Nope. I haven't. In fact the independents and dems are building a case against Bush on the lies told about WMD. The only focus that shifted is that Bush is now claiming he was never "certain" about WMD and that the goal was always "to free Iraq." More lies. Fortunatley there are tapes and video of Bush and his fellow liars claiming that the war was about WMD 1st foremost. There can never be proof that the WMD existed and at the ready. Iraq lacks the ability to move and hide the materials that were lied about...vast as they were! It would take convoys of trucks weeks to move those materials. With sattelite pics, how do you suppose they managed it without our knowing? All traces found at the sites described by Bush and his flunkies were VERY old. Gee wiz! So that was ANOTHER lie. No WMD, Neal. Now start making up a story as to why the country can't be told the truth. Bush, the liar! And killer of American soldiers, boys and girls. RB |
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The truth will out and sooner than you seem to think. I'll give you a hint. It has got to do with anthrax and said anthrax appears to be the same stuff that was mailed around last year. Notice how they did not find anything in that pond they drained? Maybe it was because Iraqi agents did not use it? "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Haven't you noticed how the Dems have shifted their focus from no WMDs all of a sudden to an obscure claim that President George W. Bush lied about British intelligence that turned out to be forged. Nope. I haven't. In fact the independents and dems are building a case against Bush on the lies told about WMD. The only focus that shifted is that Bush is now claiming he was never "certain" about WMD and that the goal was always "to free Iraq." More lies. Fortunatley there are tapes and video of Bush and his fellow liars claiming that the war was about WMD 1st foremost. There can never be proof that the WMD existed and at the ready. Iraq lacks the ability to move and hide the materials that were lied about...vast as they were! It would take convoys of trucks weeks to move those materials. With sattelite pics, how do you suppose they managed it without our knowing? All traces found at the sites described by Bush and his flunkies were VERY old. Gee wiz! So that was ANOTHER lie. No WMD, Neal. Now start making up a story as to why the country can't be told the truth. Bush, the liar! And killer of American soldiers, boys and girls. RB |
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I'll give you a hint. It has got to do with anthrax and said anthrax appears to be the same stuff that was mailed around last year. They found the trillion tons of missing anthrax in Iraq as promissed???? Wow! RB |
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"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Bush, the liar! And killer of American soldiers, boys and girls. Don't worry too much about the soldiers whe are getting killed on an almost daily basis. Didn't some senior US official reassure us that the casualities were .... "Militarily insignificant"!!!!!! Regards Donal -- |
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You show how limited is the scope of your intelligence.
A pound of anthrax is all it would take to wipe out NYC. "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... I'll give you a hint. It has got to do with anthrax and said anthrax appears to be the same stuff that was mailed around last year. They found the trillion tons of missing anthrax in Iraq as promissed???? Wow! RB |
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Boobspit:
Bush's actions did put a serious dent in terrorism. He brought the fight to them. Terrorists flocked to Iraq only to be slaughtered by the American jugernaut. If Bush lying about WMD is a big concern for you how come you didn't complain about Clinton's indiscriminate slaughter of others with cruise missles just to cover his antics in office? If you had complained about Clinton's similar actions in the past then you have a right to complain about Bush. Rather your complaints are not about Bush, but rather an attempt to advance your political agenda. You care not about a single human life. You kept quiet when Clinton did the same. You are willing to go against your country to advance your cause, which is not the good of America or the principles on which it is built. You should be ashamed of yourself, you immoral opportunist. You are a real pinko! "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Bush, the liar! And killer of American soldiers, boys and girls. I find it very ironic and somewhat pathetic that the biggest proven liar on the group acts as if lying is something despicable and accuses others of it. Bobsprit = Hypocrite |
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You show how limited is the scope of your intelligence.
A pound of anthrax is all it would take to wipe out NYC. They didn't find a pound, let alone the TONS we were assured was in Iraq. Bush lied. RB |
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Boob**** get off the subject. Like a guy said on the radio today it's like
looking for 4 suitcases in the state of California. We may find them or we may never find them. Sadam had 6 weeks to hide the stuff. I for one are glad we went in. I'm sad at what's happening now. Maybe you could go over there and take your potshots at US servicemen from behind a rock. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
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Maybe you could go over there and
take your potshots at US servicemen from behind a rock. Bush is getting American soldiers killed, a few at a time. Taking my comments about Bush and applying at "as potshots on US servicemen" is pretty low, even for you, loco. RB |
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I am still delaying judgement. bobsprit, i'm not sure that
there's anybody on this group who knows quite how easy it would be to "lose" a heap of things in a decent-sized deserts. Deserts are big, and especially where there are mobile sandmasses: the orbiting observations are just too limited (TMI, and weather mucks things up). And the better the resolution, the more the information overload and the easier to miss things. To give an indication: in some desert landscapes, when it's done right, an entire seismic convoy, thumping and banging away, can lay in a seismic grid which is almost invisible to satellite, despite the number of vehicles involved, without the benefit of useful sandstorms. So in a dust/sandstormy desert, it would be quite easy to move a few shipping containers secretly and without trace. Whether it was done or not is another matter, but it is entirely possible. So I'm waiting. (And if there's another desert ecologist in the group, feel welcome to shoot, otherwise shut up.) Flying Tadpole Bobsprit wrote: Boob**** get off the subject. Like a guy said on the radio today it's like looking for 4 suitcases in the state of California. It's NOTHING like 4 suitcases. The size, weight and dangerous factors of the material would make it impossible to move "secretly" in 6 weeks without a trace. RB |
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Your potshots are primarily against intelligence and
common sense . . . You and your liberal ilk are just so transparent. You whine and all you do is whine. It's pathetic. Figure out the negative side of any situation and you have just figured out how a liberal operates and will operate in the future. For example if we don't fight a war you liberals whine and say Senior Bush should have gone all the way and taken out Saddam. If Senior Bush did continue Desert Storm and took out Saddam you would have complained that the UN resolutions did not give him permission to do so and called him a warmonger. When the UN inspectors were engaged in their cluster **** you whined that they need more time to find the weapons. Never once was heard the claim that there were no WMDs. When our personnel are looking for the WMDs you say, "Two months is plenty enough time, there are no WMDs?" I could go on and on but the point is you have no credibility because everyone sees you trying to have it both ways at the same time. It doesn't cut the mustard. "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Maybe you could go over there and take your potshots at US servicemen from behind a rock. Bush is getting American soldiers killed, a few at a time. Taking my comments about Bush and applying at "as potshots on US servicemen" is pretty low, even for you, loco. RB |
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Especially since Bush himself has been overtly goading the enemy to "bring it
on". What a total ****up! On this we are in agreement. Playing cowboy with American lives...Bush is pure garbage. And a liar. RB |
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say Senior Bush should
have gone all the way and taken out Saddam. It seems that NO bush can take out Saddam, who lives on as Bush dares Iraqis to take more US lives. And that's what they're doing. RB |
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FT,
I'm kind of like you Tad, but Nutsy does make some pretty strong points. The points he makes, about they were never there shouldn't be that hard to disprove. After all, we did go to war being assure there was proof of their existence. If there was proof, I would like to see it. Even if it was wrong, let's see what was thought to be WMD. I would like to see what it was that caused us to spend Billions of taxpayers money and justified the killing that took place and is taking place right now. Shutting up about it has got to be wrong! Prove there was a reason to take control of another country ( Other than Oil!) I also woul like to see a little more effort to find Saddam, also Bin Laden. Let's be informed of what is being done. I want to believe. I did truly believe, as this group can attest to, in the beginning. Now, the Admin. is admitting to lying. I damn well don't like it The Party in power made a big thing about Clinton getting Blowjobs but no one was killed and it didn't cost the country a tenth of what these lies are costing us Ole Thom |
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You people just don't get it do you? What a bunch of simpering wimps and morons you all are! First off, you have proven that no matter the scenario you will complain so what's the use of hurrying to attempt to please you or answer your questions and cater to your whims? If we find WMDs you will claim they were planted. If we don't find WMDs you will say they never existed. When former and impeached President Clinton said there were WMDs you agreed even though Clinton was convicted of perjury ("lying under oath", for those of you living in New York) When President Bush says there were WMDs you yell, "Liar". even when there is not one single solitary proven example of Mr. Bush having lied. If we don't find WMDs fast enough to meet with your approval you claim they don't exist. If we find 100 pounds of uranium or anthrax you will say that isn't enough. You say mobile weapons labs mean nothing. You say centrifuges to enrich uranium don't count. You say the specialized aluminum tubes to hold centrifuge contents don't count. You say uranium itself doesn't mean anything. You say precursors to biologicals don't count. You say elevated levels of chemical weapons in the rivers don't count. You say gassed Kurds don't count. Even if we found a million pounds of chemical and biologicals you will still say it's a lie because the quantity is too great. If we take your whining and complaining and stick it right up your ass you will say it was rape. If we ask your permission to do so beforehand you will say OK but then you will whine and complain that you did not have all necessary information as to the consequences and it really hurt and we should have given you more facts. If we spent two weeks giving you all the facts you would complain we are taking up too much of your time giving you the facts. Fact the facts, you are chronic compainers and nothing else but. You say you support the troops but you constantly disparage their efforts and their sacrifice. You continue to undermine their morale and you continue to endanger their lives with your idiotic criticism of their Commander in Chief. You say you love our country but you hate it's leaders. You are too stupid to realize the two are inseparable. Why would you actually think anyone regards you and all liberals as other than anti-American, whining, complaining, nagging assholes who take a negative stand on every issue and NEVER, NEVER EVER offer anything constructive? "Thomas Stewart" wrote in message ... FT, I'm kind of like you Tad, but Nutsy does make some pretty strong points. The points he makes, about they were never there shouldn't be that hard to disprove. After all, we did go to war being assure there was proof of their existence. If there was proof, I would like to see it. Even if it was wrong, let's see what was thought to be WMD. I would like to see what it was that caused us to spend Billions of taxpayers money and justified the killing that took place and is taking place right now. Shutting up about it has got to be wrong! Prove there was a reason to take control of another country ( Other than Oil!) I also woul like to see a little more effort to find Saddam, also Bin Laden. Let's be informed of what is being done. I want to believe. I did truly believe, as this group can attest to, in the beginning. Now, the Admin. is admitting to lying. I damn well don't like it The Party in power made a big thing about Clinton getting Blowjobs but no one was killed and it didn't cost the country a tenth of what these lies are costing us Ole Thom |
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There are more people murdered in Washington D.C. daily than soldiers in Iraq. Grow up bloomer boy! We've still got a job to do and whining about what it takes to get it done doesn't get it. Give our troops some credit instead of berating their sacrifices in protecting your sorry ass. Only a fool would walk out on a commitment like you suggest we do. wrote in message ... On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:44:50 -0400, "Simple Simon" wrote: "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Especially since Bush himself has been overtly goading the enemy to "bring it on". What a total ****up! On this we are in agreement. Playing cowboy with American lives...Bush is pure garbage. And a liar. If Americans approve of George W. Bush at an over 60% rate what does that say about the Democrats he defeated? I guess it means Americans would rather vote garbage and liars into office than Democrats. Ha aha hhah ah ah haha ha! You take a beating with every ignorant statement you make. Latest polls show the majority think that the causualty count is unacceptably high. In other words, they feel it was a wasted effort for what we gained. http://www.costofwar.com BB |
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He doesn't have to try. Fags naturally are drawn to each other. wrote in message ... Don't try to make me like you, please. It will spoil all our fun. |
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According to Bush and his people, a great deal of the materials were in
populated areas which are well watched. Where are they now? . It was hidden or poured down the river. Where are the warheads? They already found 20 different piles of warheads. Watch the news. Where are the millions of gallons of nerve agents? Nobody ever said there were millions of gallons. Secondly experts believe the stuff was poured in the river. Read the paper/watch the news. Most importantly, if Saddam had all of the deadly stuff, why didn't he lay waste to the US troops with it??? That question was already answered a long time ago. He couldn't use the stuff because he was trying to get world opinion on his side. Read the paper/watch the news. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
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Especially since Bush himself has been overtly goading the enemy to "bring
it on". What a total ****up!. What would you say to a punk down the street who was messing with your family? Lets talk? S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
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he would make him an offer.
"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message ... Especially since Bush himself has been overtly goading the enemy to "bring it on". What a total ****up!. What would you say to a punk down the street who was messing with your family? Lets talk? S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
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"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
What would you say to a punk down the street who was messing with your family? Lets talk? AAMOI, what was Saddam doing to 'mess' with the US? -- Wally I demand rigidly-defined areas of uncertainty! www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk |
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There are more people murdered in Washington D.C. daily
than soldiers in Iraq. Oh!!!! Then it's okay!!! True patriots don't believe in exchainging American lives for political gain...as Bush has done. RB |
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Don't try to make me like you, please. It will spoil all our fun.
Don't worry....I'm gearing up a nasty troll for you! But it's nice that some sailors actually employ logic once in a while. Neal's comments about "democrats" as if they were a single animal speaks volumes on his limited views. Gore was more of a conservative than Bush could ever be. He helped prove the difference between blind partisanship and real policy. And now...Bush is getting fine Americans murdered and asking for more carnage from a growing group of insane fanatics. RB |
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,AAMOI, what was Saddam doing to 'mess' with the US?
You didn't see the terrorist planning houses? He harbors terriorists. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
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"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
,AAMOI, what was Saddam doing to 'mess' with the US? You didn't see the terrorist planning houses? I can't say I did. Did they have maps of the US, showing intended targets? He harbors terriorists. Any particular terrorists? -- Wally I demand rigidly-defined areas of uncertainty! www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk |
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You call protecting ourselves against future 911 attacks political? Duh! "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... There are more people murdered in Washington D.C. daily than soldiers in Iraq. Oh!!!! Then it's okay!!! True patriots don't believe in exchainging American lives for political gain...as Bush has done. RB |
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I just read the Sunday morning paper, and there was a nice story,
(written by liberals), about how Iraq was moving toward a self ruling democracy. Sucks to be you. I bet it was a good "story." RB |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... I think we should ban cars. I would really love to see that happen. Get rid of all privately owned ground vehicles and build some real mass transportation. How about some fast trains, some people-mover sidewalks, fancy busses with bars built in, decent subways, etc. It would be a vast improvement over the present system of mass congestion and pollution. |
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You call protecting ourselves against future 911 attacks
political? Duh! That money would have been far better spent on "protection" here. Saddam lacked the ability to launch any kind of attack against us from Iraq. He STILL has the ability to launch small, but deadly terrorist attacks, just as before. We need the money spent here, on our own ground, for security. Bush made the US a muslim enemy. He has given them strength and even worse, RESOLVE against us. He (and you) do NOT understand the enemy and think cowboy antics will win. All moneys should be focused on better, more advanced security here. Period. RB |
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Bush talks tough for someone who is not in the war zone. What a total
chicken**** ****up! And you are where? talking what? He's at home, paying his taxes, like a good citizen should unless called into action. Meanwhile, his dopey president is misspending his tax money against his wishes and killing his fellow american brother. RB |
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first get rid of power boats.
-- Scott Vernon Plowville PA __/)__/)__ "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... I think we should ban cars. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... You people just don't get it do you? What a bunch of simpering wimps and morons you all are! First off, you have proven that no matter the scenario you will complain so what's the use of hurrying to attempt to please you or answer your questions and cater to your whims? If we find WMDs you will claim they were planted. If we don't find WMDs you will say they never existed. When former and impeached President Clinton said there were WMDs you agreed even though Clinton was convicted of perjury ("lying under oath", for those of you living in New York) When President Bush says there were WMDs you yell, "Liar". even when there is not one single solitary proven example of Mr. Bush having lied. If we don't find WMDs fast enough to meet with your approval you claim they don't exist. If we find 100 pounds of uranium or anthrax you will say that isn't enough. You say mobile weapons labs mean nothing. You say centrifuges to enrich uranium don't count. You say the specialized aluminum tubes to hold centrifuge contents don't count. You say uranium itself doesn't mean anything. You say precursors to biologicals don't count. You say elevated levels of chemical weapons in the rivers don't count. You say gassed Kurds don't count. Even if we found a million pounds of chemical and biologicals you will still say it's a lie because the quantity is too great. If we take your whining and complaining and stick it right up your ass you will say it was rape. If we ask your permission to do so beforehand you will say OK but then you will whine and complain that you did not have all necessary information as to the consequences and it really hurt and we should have given you more facts. If we spent two weeks giving you all the facts you would complain we are taking up too much of your time giving you the facts. Fact the facts, you are chronic compainers and nothing else but. You say you support the troops but you constantly disparage their efforts and their sacrifice. You continue to undermine their morale and you continue to endanger their lives with your idiotic criticism of their Commander in Chief. You say you love our country but you hate it's leaders. You are too stupid to realize the two are inseparable. Why would you actually think anyone regards you and all liberals as other than anti-American, whining, complaining, nagging assholes who take a negative stand on every issue and NEVER, NEVER EVER offer anything constructive? "Thomas Stewart" wrote in message ... FT, I'm kind of like you Tad, but Nutsy does make some pretty strong points. The points he makes, about they were never there shouldn't be that hard to disprove. After all, we did go to war being assure there was proof of their existence. If there was proof, I would like to see it. Even if it was wrong, let's see what was thought to be WMD. I would like to see what it was that caused us to spend Billions of taxpayers money and justified the killing that took place and is taking place right now. Shutting up about it has got to be wrong! Prove there was a reason to take control of another country ( Other than Oil!) I also woul like to see a little more effort to find Saddam, also Bin Laden. Let's be informed of what is being done. I want to believe. I did truly believe, as this group can attest to, in the beginning. Now, the Admin. is admitting to lying. I damn well don't like it The Party in power made a big thing about Clinton getting Blowjobs but no one was killed and it didn't cost the country a tenth of what these lies are costing us Ole Thom |
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Keep 'em in the fields and barn and it will be OK. "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... but we can keep our tractors, right? -- Scott Vernon Plowville PA __/)__/)__ "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... I think we should ban cars. I would really love to see that happen. Get rid of all privately owned ground vehicles and build some real mass transportation. How about some fast trains, some people-mover sidewalks, fancy busses with bars built in, decent subways, etc. It would be a vast improvement over the present system of mass congestion and pollution. |
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how do we get to the supply store then?
"Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Keep 'em in the fields and barn and it will be OK. "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... but we can keep our tractors, right? -- Scott Vernon Plowville PA __/)__/)__ "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... I think we should ban cars. I would really love to see that happen. Get rid of all privately owned ground vehicles and build some real mass transportation. How about some fast trains, some people-mover sidewalks, fancy busses with bars built in, decent subways, etc. It would be a vast improvement over the present system of mass congestion and pollution. |
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I fail to see how something as sensible as getting rid of cars and all the pollution and inefficiency they cause can be called liberalism. There is nothing in the Constitution that guarantees the right to own and operate automobiles. "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Sounds like the liberal agenda to me. This is what you're promoting? "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... I think we should ban cars. I would really love to see that happen. Get rid of all privately owned ground vehicles and build some real mass transportation. How about some fast trains, some people-mover sidewalks, fancy busses with bars built in, decent subways, etc. It would be a vast improvement over the present system of mass congestion and pollution. |
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Well, I certainly agree with you, but this flies in the face
of big oil and the Republican agenda for America. If you can justify it, I'm certainly not going to argue with you about it. I'm sure you'd find much agreement in the liberal community, especially the Earth Firsties and Greenpeace. It's really a pleasure when one sees a turnaround in thinking such as yours. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... I fail to see how something as sensible as getting rid of cars and all the pollution and inefficiency they cause can be called liberalism. There is nothing in the Constitution that guarantees the right to own and operate automobiles. "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Sounds like the liberal agenda to me. This is what you're promoting? "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... I think we should ban cars. I would really love to see that happen. Get rid of all privately owned ground vehicles and build some real mass transportation. How about some fast trains, some people-mover sidewalks, fancy busses with bars built in, decent subways, etc. It would be a vast improvement over the present system of mass congestion and pollution. |
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"Simple Simon" wrote in message ... There are more people murdered in Washington D.C. daily than soldiers in Iraq. Grow up bloomer boy! We've still got a job to do and whining about what it takes to get it done doesn't get it. Give our troops some credit instead of berating their sacrifices in protecting your sorry ass. So, I guess that you would agree that the losses are "militarily insignificant"? Bring back the body bags. They don't count for ****, EH? Regards Donal -- |
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