newbie with more tacking questions.
 

sailed with another fellow today, who suggested that during the tack, that i
not pull the head sail sheet in too soon, but leave the sail full as the
boat swings around, and then only after establishing new heading, trim the
sail.

only got to try it once before a little pop up thunderstorm arrived, putting
us back into the dock. seemed to make an improvement on my tack. will have
to wait for another chance to try.

comments?

newbie with more tacking questions.
 

Backing the jib is a common way to speed up a tack in light airs.

CM

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
. ..
| sailed with another fellow today, who suggested that during the tack, that
i
| not pull the head sail sheet in too soon, but leave the sail full as the
| boat swings around, and then only after establishing new heading, trim the
| sail.
|
| only got to try it once before a little pop up thunderstorm arrived,
putting
| us back into the dock. seemed to make an improvement on my tack. will
have
| to wait for another chance to try.
|
| comments?
|
|

newbie with more tacking questions.
 

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
. ..
sailed with another fellow today, who suggested that during the tack, that
i
not pull the head sail sheet in too soon, but leave the sail full as the
boat swings around, and then only after establishing new heading, trim the
sail.

only got to try it once before a little pop up thunderstorm arrived,
putting
us back into the dock. seemed to make an improvement on my tack. will
have
to wait for another chance to try.

comments?


There are two things going on here. One is that if you leave the jenny
alone, it will "back" as the boat tacks. The wind will then push the poat
through the tack. As the boat goes through the wind, you let the sheet fo
free.

The second is a little more difficult to explain. It is easier to gain
speed at 90 degrees to the wind than at 35 degrees(apparent). So when you
tack, the helmsman will tack a bit further than necessary, so that he can
gain speed. Therefore, you don't immediately sheet the jenny flat. The
helmsman will bear away from the wind to build up speed. You gradually
sheet the jenny in, as the boat heads up onto the new course.


If my explanation isn't clear, then ask again.


Regards


Donal
--

newbie with more tacking questions.
 

No it won't provided the boat is swung smartly around and
the jib is only backed for a second or two. What a backed jib
takes away in its backing it gives back to the mainsail which still
pulls until the release of the jib's windward sheet. This is why
the main 'Pops' over the second the windward jib sheet is released.

Try learning how to tack like a real sailor and you might be more
successful at it.

"Oz1" wrote in message ...
On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 23:07:26 +0100, "Donal"
wrote:


"Doug Miller" wrote in message
...
sailed with another fellow today, who suggested that during the tack, that
i
not pull the head sail sheet in too soon, but leave the sail full as the
boat swings around, and then only after establishing new heading, trim the
sail.

only got to try it once before a little pop up thunderstorm arrived,
putting
us back into the dock. seemed to make an improvement on my tack. will
have
to wait for another chance to try.

comments?


There are two things going on here. One is that if you leave the jenny
alone, it will "back" as the boat tacks. The wind will then push the poat
through the tack. As the boat goes through the wind, you let the sheet fo
free.

Backing the jib will slow the boat!

The second is a little more difficult to explain. It is easier to gain
speed at 90 degrees to the wind than at 35 degrees(apparent). So when you
tack, the helmsman will tack a bit further than necessary, so that he can
gain speed. Therefore, you don't immediately sheet the jenny flat. The
helmsman will bear away from the wind to build up speed. You gradually
sheet the jenny in, as the boat heads up onto the new course.


If my explanation isn't clear, then ask again.


Regards


Donal



Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

newbie with more tacking questions.
 

Why would bearing off without easing the main increase the speed? I think it would
increase the heel, the leeway, and start the keel stalling. You'll be starting the tack
heeled more and have 10 degrees further to turn. All in all, it seems like a pretty silly
thing to do.

Its a lot like the way young girls drive a car: veering to the right before a left turn.



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...



"Doug Miller" wrote in message
. ..
sailed with another fellow today, who suggested that during the tack, that i
not pull the head sail sheet in too soon, but leave the sail full as the
boat swings around, and then only after establishing new heading, trim the
sail.

That guy also does not know what he's doing. The best way to tack
quickly, surely and without sailing past 90 degrees is:

1) Sail as close-hauled as your boat can handle and still make good headway

2) Both main and jib should have windward telltales lifting and leeward telltales
streaming straight back.

3) Leaving both sails trimmed in tight, head off about ten degrees and increase
your boat speed.

4) Then head up in a graceful but purposeful curve so as to not rub off too much
speed. Don't stall the rudder.

5) Watch the jib. When the jib backs and comes over on the opposite side
so it is aback let fly the windward sheet and haul in on the leeward sheet.
If you do this turn with the proper speed and dispatch and you are sharp with
handling the jib sheets your mainsail will actually "POP" to the other
side making a popping sound.

6) You should now be sailing on the other tack and still have good speed
and have only turned through about 90 degrees from your original
closed-hauled course.

newbie with more tacking questions.
 

Donal says:
The wind will then push the boat
through the tack.

You've contradicted yourself. You shoyld be saying that the wind Hoovers the boat through the tack.
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit.
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

newbie with more tacking questions.
 

Light air? Maybe he should be roll tacking?
--
----
Steve
S/V Pony Express

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
Cappy... but if you have to back a jib to get a decent tack there are
other
things grossly wrong with your boat or sailing skills. Look.... backing a
jib should only be utilized to assist a tack in light airs where forward
speed is impaired by sea state or obstructions. Think about this because
I
speak as a full keeler here and I'd be friggin embarrassed to have to back
a
friggin' jib on a fin keeler to execute a tack... in any wind speed.!!!

CM

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
|
| No it won't provided the boat is swung smartly around and
| the jib is only backed for a second or two. What a backed jib
| takes away in its backing it gives back to the mainsail which still
| pulls until the release of the jib's windward sheet. This is why
| the main 'Pops' over the second the windward jib sheet is released.
|
| Try learning how to tack like a real sailor and you might be more
| successful at it.
|
| "Oz1" wrote in message
...
| On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 23:07:26 +0100, "Donal"
| wrote:
|
|
| "Doug Miller" wrote in message
| ...
| sailed with another fellow today, who suggested that during the
tack,
that
| i
| not pull the head sail sheet in too soon, but leave the sail full
as
the
| boat swings around, and then only after establishing new heading,
trim the
| sail.
|
| only got to try it once before a little pop up thunderstorm
arrived,
| putting
| us back into the dock. seemed to make an improvement on my tack.
will
| have
| to wait for another chance to try.
|
| comments?
|
|
| There are two things going on here. One is that if you leave the
jenny
| alone, it will "back" as the boat tacks. The wind will then push
the
poat
| through the tack. As the boat goes through the wind, you let the
sheet
fo
| free.
|
| Backing the jib will slow the boat!
|
| The second is a little more difficult to explain. It is easier to
gain
| speed at 90 degrees to the wind than at 35 degrees(apparent). So
when
you
| tack, the helmsman will tack a bit further than necessary, so that
he
can
| gain speed. Therefore, you don't immediately sheet the jenny flat.
The
| helmsman will bear away from the wind to build up speed. You
gradually
| sheet the jenny in, as the boat heads up onto the new course.
|
|
| If my explanation isn't clear, then ask again.
|
|
| Regards
|
|
| Donal
|
|
|
| Oz1...of the 3 twins.
| I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.
|
|

newbie with more tacking questions.
 

Try a roll tack on my boat and you wouldn't spill a full glass of beer with
all hands to one side.

Must be a fin keeler thing.... :-D

CM

"Pony Express" wrote in message
...
| Light air? Maybe he should be roll tacking?
| --
| ----
| Steve
| S/V Pony Express
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
| Cappy... but if you have to back a jib to get a decent tack there are
| other
| things grossly wrong with your boat or sailing skills. Look.... backing
a
| jib should only be utilized to assist a tack in light airs where forward
| speed is impaired by sea state or obstructions. Think about this
because
| I
| speak as a full keeler here and I'd be friggin embarrassed to have to
back
| a
| friggin' jib on a fin keeler to execute a tack... in any wind speed.!!!
|
| CM
|
| "Simple Simon" wrote in message
| ...
| |
| | No it won't provided the boat is swung smartly around and
| | the jib is only backed for a second or two. What a backed jib
| | takes away in its backing it gives back to the mainsail which still
| | pulls until the release of the jib's windward sheet. This is why
| | the main 'Pops' over the second the windward jib sheet is released.
| |
| | Try learning how to tack like a real sailor and you might be more
| | successful at it.
| |
| | "Oz1" wrote in message
| ...
| | On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 23:07:26 +0100, "Donal"
| | wrote:
| |
| |
| | "Doug Miller" wrote in message
| | ...
| | sailed with another fellow today, who suggested that during the
| tack,
| that
| | i
| | not pull the head sail sheet in too soon, but leave the sail full
| as
| the
| | boat swings around, and then only after establishing new heading,
| trim the
| | sail.
| |
| | only got to try it once before a little pop up thunderstorm
| arrived,
| | putting
| | us back into the dock. seemed to make an improvement on my tack.
| will
| | have
| | to wait for another chance to try.
| |
| | comments?
| |
| |
| | There are two things going on here. One is that if you leave the
| jenny
| | alone, it will "back" as the boat tacks. The wind will then push
| the
| poat
| | through the tack. As the boat goes through the wind, you let the
| sheet
| fo
| | free.
| |
| | Backing the jib will slow the boat!
| |
| | The second is a little more difficult to explain. It is easier to
| gain
| | speed at 90 degrees to the wind than at 35 degrees(apparent). So
| when
| you
| | tack, the helmsman will tack a bit further than necessary, so that
| he
| can
| | gain speed. Therefore, you don't immediately sheet the jenny flat.
| The
| | helmsman will bear away from the wind to build up speed. You
| gradually
| | sheet the jenny in, as the boat heads up onto the new course.
| |
| |
| | If my explanation isn't clear, then ask again.
| |
| |
| | Regards
| |
| |
| | Donal
| |
| |
| |
| | Oz1...of the 3 twins.
| | I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.
| |
| |
|
|
|

newbie with more tacking questions.
 

Neal doesn't sail, so what do you expect?

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
Why would bearing off without easing the main increase the speed? I
think it would
increase the heel, the leeway, and start the keel stalling. You'll be
starting the tack
heeled more and have 10 degrees further to turn. All in all, it seems
like a pretty silly
thing to do.

Its a lot like the way young girls drive a car: veering to the right
before a left turn.



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...



"Doug Miller" wrote in message
. ..
sailed with another fellow today, who suggested that during the tack,
that i
not pull the head sail sheet in too soon, but leave the sail full as
the
boat swings around, and then only after establishing new heading, trim
the
sail.

That guy also does not know what he's doing. The best way to tack
quickly, surely and without sailing past 90 degrees is:

1) Sail as close-hauled as your boat can handle and still make good
headway

2) Both main and jib should have windward telltales lifting and leeward
telltales
streaming straight back.

3) Leaving both sails trimmed in tight, head off about ten degrees and
increase
your boat speed.

4) Then head up in a graceful but purposeful curve so as to not rub off
too much
speed. Don't stall the rudder.

5) Watch the jib. When the jib backs and comes over on the opposite side
so it is aback let fly the windward sheet and haul in on the
leeward sheet.
If you do this turn with the proper speed and dispatch and you are
sharp with
handling the jib sheets your mainsail will actually "POP" to the
other
side making a popping sound.

6) You should now be sailing on the other tack and still have good
speed
and have only turned through about 90 degrees from your original
closed-hauled course.

newbie with more tacking questions.
 

On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 22:23:27 -0300, "Capt. Mooron"
wrote this crap:

Try a roll tack on my boat and you wouldn't spill a full glass of beer with
all hands to one side.

Hard to tack while at anchor.




Ave Imperator Bush!
Bush Was Right! Four More Beers!

newbie with more tacking questions.
 

On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 20:27:29 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote this crap:

I don't have to back it but it's better to back it than to
let it flap its way around which is the standard way to
tack and is the stupid thing to do in my experienced
sailing career.

I will challenge anybody here to a tacking duel.
I regularly tack up the channel to the harbor and its
width is less twice the length of my boat.

Let me see some of your losers do that, please.

I use the motor. (Too much traffic in my harbor.)




Ave Imperator Bush!
Bush Was Right! Four More Beers!

newbie with more tacking questions.
 

Oh Man.... that says it all......


CM

"Horvath" wrote in message

| I use the motor. (since I always have it on anyway.)
|
|
|
|
| Ave Imperator Bush!
| Bush Was Right! Four More Beers!

newbie with more tacking questions.
 

By the time I magnify the chart enough to see anything it requires too much
scrolling to find the legend. I though you would be kind enough to tell me
since you have local knowlege.


"Oz1" wrote in message ...

Cappy, There IS a legend!

On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 07:34:12 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

Gunnamatta Bay? It looks like it has a rather narrow channel.
What about it? I cannot tell how far apart the channel markers
are. I do so some 2s as depth. Is that meters of feet?


"Oz1" wrote in message ...
.

Cappy,
go here
http://www.waterways.nsw.gov.au/docs/porthack_front.pdf
Waters I sail often.
Look at the first bay on the northern shore of the river.
Prevailing breeze is NE and is bent and funnelled NNE to N by the
hills on the western shore





Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

newbie with more tacking questions.
 

And you motor up this 50 meter-wide channel, so what!


"Oz1" wrote in message ...

Get a bigger monitor!
Yes, metres and very narrow, rocky to the west, steeply shallowing
sand to the east.

On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 08:04:37 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

By the time I magnify the chart enough to see anything it requires too much
scrolling to find the legend. I though you would be kind enough to tell me
since you have local knowlege.


"Oz1" wrote in message ...

Cappy, There IS a legend!

On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 07:34:12 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

Gunnamatta Bay? It looks like it has a rather narrow channel.
What about it? I cannot tell how far apart the channel markers
are. I do so some 2s as depth. Is that meters of feet?


"Oz1" wrote in message ...
.

Cappy,
go here
http://www.waterways.nsw.gov.au/docs/porthack_front.pdf
Waters I sail often.
Look at the first bay on the northern shore of the river.
Prevailing breeze is NE and is bent and funnelled NNE to N by the
hills on the western shore





Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.




Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

newbie with more tacking questions.
 

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
Why would bearing off without easing the main increase the speed?

The jenny is not yet sheeted in hard, and generates the power required to
get the boat moving again.

On my boat, the main isn't eased because it isn't worth it for the 3-5
seconds that we are talking about. However, as the main hasn't yet been
trimmed on the new course, the travellor will be on the leeward side of the
boat.

This is only important when the water is a bit rough. If the water is flat,
then we get the boat straight onto its new course. If the sail trimmer did
his work well, then we might not even need to winch in the sheet.



I think it would
increase the heel, the leeway, and start the keel stalling. You'll be
starting the tack
heeled more and have 10 degrees further to turn. All in all, it seems
like a pretty silly
thing to do.



It works well for me. In rough water, the slamming can almost stop the boat
after a tack.



Regards


Donal
--








Its a lot like the way young girls drive a car: veering to the right
before a left turn.



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...



"Doug Miller" wrote in message
. ..
sailed with another fellow today, who suggested that during the tack,
that i
not pull the head sail sheet in too soon, but leave the sail full as
the
boat swings around, and then only after establishing new heading, trim
the
sail.

That guy also does not know what he's doing. The best way to tack
quickly, surely and without sailing past 90 degrees is:

1) Sail as close-hauled as your boat can handle and still make good
headway

2) Both main and jib should have windward telltales lifting and leeward
telltales
streaming straight back.

3) Leaving both sails trimmed in tight, head off about ten degrees and
increase
your boat speed.

4) Then head up in a graceful but purposeful curve so as to not rub off
too much
speed. Don't stall the rudder.

5) Watch the jib. When the jib backs and comes over on the opposite side
so it is aback let fly the windward sheet and haul in on the
leeward sheet.
If you do this turn with the proper speed and dispatch and you are
sharp with
handling the jib sheets your mainsail will actually "POP" to the
other
side making a popping sound.

6) You should now be sailing on the other tack and still have good
speed
and have only turned through about 90 degrees from your original
closed-hauled course.

newbie with more tacking questions.
 

Good! I'm happy to hear somebody else is up to a sailing
challenge and doesn't simply resort to using the motor like
Horvath.


"Oz1" wrote in message ...
Huh?
No motor! and it's much less than 50 metres, closer to 25 then there
are the jetties!
Oh and the boat is longer than the Coronado.

On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 08:31:26 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

And you motor up this 50 meter-wide channel, so what!



"Oz1" wrote in message ...

Get a bigger monitor!
Yes, metres and very narrow, rocky to the west, steeply shallowing
sand to the east.

On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 08:04:37 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

By the time I magnify the chart enough to see anything it requires too much
scrolling to find the legend. I though you would be kind enough to tell me
since you have local knowlege.


"Oz1" wrote in message ...

Cappy, There IS a legend!

On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 07:34:12 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

Gunnamatta Bay? It looks like it has a rather narrow channel.
What about it? I cannot tell how far apart the channel markers
are. I do so some 2s as depth. Is that meters of feet?


"Oz1" wrote in message ...
.

Cappy,
go here
http://www.waterways.nsw.gov.au/docs/porthack_front.pdf
Waters I sail often.
Look at the first bay on the northern shore of the river.
Prevailing breeze is NE and is bent and funnelled NNE to N by the
hills on the western shore





Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.




Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.




Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

newbie with more tacking questions.
 

I agree with what you say- but Neal was talking about bearing off BEFORE tacking to gain
speed:

"3) Leaving both sails trimmed in tight, head off about ten degrees and increase your boat
speed."

In this case the boat is presumably already at best VMG speed; bearing off for a few
seconds would only slightly increase speed but would otherwise be counterproductive. This
might actually be of some value in certain boats (if the sails were handled properly) but
not in a Com-Pac 19.

Footing off after the tack to regain momentum is quite appropriate for many boats,
especially light air/choppy water situations.

-jeff


"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
Why would bearing off without easing the main increase the speed?

The jenny is not yet sheeted in hard, and generates the power required to
get the boat moving again.

On my boat, the main isn't eased because it isn't worth it for the 3-5
seconds that we are talking about. However, as the main hasn't yet been
trimmed on the new course, the travellor will be on the leeward side of the
boat.

This is only important when the water is a bit rough. If the water is flat,
then we get the boat straight onto its new course. If the sail trimmer did
his work well, then we might not even need to winch in the sheet.



I think it would
increase the heel, the leeway, and start the keel stalling. You'll be
starting the tack
heeled more and have 10 degrees further to turn. All in all, it seems
like a pretty silly
thing to do.



It works well for me. In rough water, the slamming can almost stop the boat
after a tack.



Regards


Donal
--








Its a lot like the way young girls drive a car: veering to the right
before a left turn.



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...



"Doug Miller" wrote in message
. ..
sailed with another fellow today, who suggested that during the tack,
that i
not pull the head sail sheet in too soon, but leave the sail full as
the
boat swings around, and then only after establishing new heading, trim
the
sail.

That guy also does not know what he's doing. The best way to tack
quickly, surely and without sailing past 90 degrees is:

1) Sail as close-hauled as your boat can handle and still make good
headway

2) Both main and jib should have windward telltales lifting and leeward
telltales
streaming straight back.

3) Leaving both sails trimmed in tight, head off about ten degrees and
increase
your boat speed.

4) Then head up in a graceful but purposeful curve so as to not rub off
too much
speed. Don't stall the rudder.

5) Watch the jib. When the jib backs and comes over on the opposite side
so it is aback let fly the windward sheet and haul in on the
leeward sheet.
If you do this turn with the proper speed and dispatch and you are
sharp with
handling the jib sheets your mainsail will actually "POP" to the
other
side making a popping sound.

6) You should now be sailing on the other tack and still have good
speed
and have only turned through about 90 degrees from your original
closed-hauled course.

newbie with more tacking questions.
 

You are wrong as usual. When sailing as close to the wind as
possible it meets the definition of pinching. Pinching is not
the way to proceed at the best speed to weather.Therefore, to gain
some boat speed to complete the tack it is only reasonable
to bear off about ten degrees (which isn't a whole lot, after all).

Stick to your motorboats.


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
I agree with what you say- but Neal was talking about bearing off BEFORE tacking to gain
speed:

"3) Leaving both sails trimmed in tight, head off about ten degrees and increase your boat
speed."

In this case the boat is presumably already at best VMG speed; bearing off for a few
seconds would only slightly increase speed but would otherwise be counterproductive. This
might actually be of some value in certain boats (if the sails were handled properly) but
not in a Com-Pac 19.

Footing off after the tack to regain momentum is quite appropriate for many boats,
especially light air/choppy water situations.

-jeff


"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
Why would bearing off without easing the main increase the speed?

The jenny is not yet sheeted in hard, and generates the power required to
get the boat moving again.

On my boat, the main isn't eased because it isn't worth it for the 3-5
seconds that we are talking about. However, as the main hasn't yet been
trimmed on the new course, the travellor will be on the leeward side of the
boat.

This is only important when the water is a bit rough. If the water is flat,
then we get the boat straight onto its new course. If the sail trimmer did
his work well, then we might not even need to winch in the sheet.



I think it would
increase the heel, the leeway, and start the keel stalling. You'll be
starting the tack
heeled more and have 10 degrees further to turn. All in all, it seems
like a pretty silly
thing to do.



It works well for me. In rough water, the slamming can almost stop the boat
after a tack.



Regards


Donal
--








Its a lot like the way young girls drive a car: veering to the right
before a left turn.



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...



"Doug Miller" wrote in message
. ..
sailed with another fellow today, who suggested that during the tack,
that i
not pull the head sail sheet in too soon, but leave the sail full as
the
boat swings around, and then only after establishing new heading, trim
the
sail.

That guy also does not know what he's doing. The best way to tack
quickly, surely and without sailing past 90 degrees is:

1) Sail as close-hauled as your boat can handle and still make good
headway

2) Both main and jib should have windward telltales lifting and leeward
telltales
streaming straight back.

3) Leaving both sails trimmed in tight, head off about ten degrees and
increase
your boat speed.

4) Then head up in a graceful but purposeful curve so as to not rub off
too much
speed. Don't stall the rudder.

5) Watch the jib. When the jib backs and comes over on the opposite side
so it is aback let fly the windward sheet and haul in on the
leeward sheet.
If you do this turn with the proper speed and dispatch and you are
sharp with
handling the jib sheets your mainsail will actually "POP" to the
other
side making a popping sound.

6) You should now be sailing on the other tack and still have good
speed
and have only turned through about 90 degrees from your original
closed-hauled course.

newbie with more tacking questions.
 

Once again we've entered "The Neal Zone" where the crapton twists and turns to cover up
his obvious blunder. Only 16 year old girls named Donna driving their boyfriend's Camaro
veer to the right before turning left. Oh, I forgot, it was Donna that taught Neal how to
sail!

Sorry Neal, the poster never said he was "sailing as close to the wind as possible" or
pinching. He merely said he was close hauled. Are you claiming that you always pinch when
sailing upwind?

-J

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
You are wrong as usual. When sailing as close to the wind as
possible it meets the definition of pinching. Pinching is not
the way to proceed at the best speed to weather.Therefore, to gain
some boat speed to complete the tack it is only reasonable
to bear off about ten degrees (which isn't a whole lot, after all).

Stick to your motorboats.


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
I agree with what you say- but Neal was talking about bearing off BEFORE tacking to
gain
speed:

"3) Leaving both sails trimmed in tight, head off about ten degrees and increase your
boat
speed."

In this case the boat is presumably already at best VMG speed; bearing off for a few
seconds would only slightly increase speed but would otherwise be counterproductive.
This
might actually be of some value in certain boats (if the sails were handled properly)
but
not in a Com-Pac 19.

Footing off after the tack to regain momentum is quite appropriate for many boats,
especially light air/choppy water situations.

-jeff


"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
Why would bearing off without easing the main increase the speed?

The jenny is not yet sheeted in hard, and generates the power required to
get the boat moving again.

On my boat, the main isn't eased because it isn't worth it for the 3-5
seconds that we are talking about. However, as the main hasn't yet been
trimmed on the new course, the travellor will be on the leeward side of the
boat.

This is only important when the water is a bit rough. If the water is flat,
then we get the boat straight onto its new course. If the sail trimmer did
his work well, then we might not even need to winch in the sheet.



I think it would
increase the heel, the leeway, and start the keel stalling. You'll be
starting the tack
heeled more and have 10 degrees further to turn. All in all, it seems
like a pretty silly
thing to do.



It works well for me. In rough water, the slamming can almost stop the boat
after a tack.



Regards


Donal
--








Its a lot like the way young girls drive a car: veering to the right
before a left turn.



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...



"Doug Miller" wrote in message
. ..
sailed with another fellow today, who suggested that during the tack,
that i
not pull the head sail sheet in too soon, but leave the sail full as
the
boat swings around, and then only after establishing new heading, trim
the
sail.

That guy also does not know what he's doing. The best way to tack
quickly, surely and without sailing past 90 degrees is:

1) Sail as close-hauled as your boat can handle and still make good
headway

2) Both main and jib should have windward telltales lifting and leeward
telltales
streaming straight back.

3) Leaving both sails trimmed in tight, head off about ten degrees and
increase
your boat speed.

4) Then head up in a graceful but purposeful curve so as to not rub off
too much
speed. Don't stall the rudder.

5) Watch the jib. When the jib backs and comes over on the opposite side
so it is aback let fly the windward sheet and haul in on the
leeward sheet.
If you do this turn with the proper speed and dispatch and you are
sharp with
handling the jib sheets your mainsail will actually "POP" to the
other
side making a popping sound.

6) You should now be sailing on the other tack and still have good
speed
and have only turned through about 90 degrees from your original
closed-hauled course.

newbie with more tacking questions.
 

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
I agree with what you say- but Neal was talking about bearing off BEFORE
tacking to gain
speed:


Ahhh. OK. I must read things properly in future!



Regards



Donal
--

newbie with more tacking questions.
 

On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 08:52:00 -0300, "Capt. Mooron"
wrote this crap:

While you sit dockside on a boat that heels when you move a glass to either
side... I sail on the ocean! I know that scares you Horvath. Considering
your skill set... it should.

I've sailed in the ocean, too. Dumbass.

My boat wouldn't heel at the dock even if your 300 lb. mother was
sitting on the rail.




Ave Imperator Bush!
Bush Was Right! Four More Beers!

newbie with more tacking questions.
 

"Horvath" wrote in message

| I've sailed in the ocean, too. Dumbass.

Yeah... sure you have. How do you afford the Ferry on a Pot Washer's salary?

| My boat wouldn't heel at the dock even if your 300 lb. mother was
| sitting on the rail.

No doubt.... with the keel so firmly embedded into the loon **** even a
crane can't move it.

CM