Spinnaker question
 

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On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:19:53 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
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Well, you have lots of experience with that. And, apparently,
Susie does also.


Actually, Susie has a pole that she occasionally ties on when there's
not enough wind.

Bobby? Not enough wind? Hmm.

XR

Spinnaker question
 

If I understand your question, you may be confusing a tack downhaul line
with a guy. With a Tacker in place, there essentially is no guy.

No confusion. Just never seen or used the thing.

Rather, a
line from the tack of the chute keeps the Tacker/tack from rising up the
forestay. It feeds through a block at the base of the forestay chainplate
and leads aft to the cockpit. Gybing the chute requires releasing the sheet
and allowing the chute to gybe outboard of the forestay while bringing the
sheet around the forestay manually. Or if the air is light enough, one
could walk the sheet and sail inboard of the forestay to "gybe." The latter
will wrap the chute halyard around the forestay, though. I've got double
sheets on my spinnaker, so I release the old leeward sheet and allow the
sail to gybe outboard of the forestay while sheeting in on the new sheet.

Now, I am confused. All this sounds like it applies to an assy and not a
symmetrical spin. I thought these tacker things were for symmetrical
spinnakers, because assys already work like a tacker - i.e., sail generally
secured to bow of boat. Some fly assys with poles, but that defeats the
purpose for cruisers. I thought the tacker was to allow you to fly a
symetrical spinnaker on a reach without the pole. If you have an assymetrical
spinnaker, you probably have a tack arrangment and why would you need a jury
rig thing like a Tacker?

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"SkitchNYC" wrote in message
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Now, I am confused. All this sounds like it applies to an assy and not a
symmetrical spin. I thought these tacker things were for symmetrical
spinnakers, because assys already work like a tacker - i.e., sail
generally
secured to bow of boat. Some fly assys with poles, but that defeats the
purpose for cruisers. I thought the tacker was to allow you to fly a
symetrical spinnaker on a reach without the pole. If you have an
assymetrical
spinnaker, you probably have a tack arrangment and why would you need a
jury
rig thing like a Tacker?

Did you see the photos of the thing?

It allows the traditional spinaker to be flown with the tack attached to the
forestay.

I think that it is aimed at people who have a normal spinaker, but who
don't have an asymmetric. A spinaker is a bit more macho than a cruising
chute, so I think that more people(me included) own a spinaker than an
assymetric.




I'd like to see some evidence that it wouldn't damage the forestay or the
furled jenny when a gust hits. Otherwise, it looks like a good idea.



Regards


Donal
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Spinnaker question
 

Now, I am confused. All this sounds like it applies to an assy and not a
symmetrical spin. I thought these tacker things were for symmetrical
spinnakers, because assys already work like a tacker - i.e., sail
generally
secured to bow of boat. Some fly assys with poles, but that defeats the
purpose for cruisers. I thought the tacker was to allow you to fly a
symetrical spinnaker on a reach without the pole. If you have an
assymetrical
spinnaker, you probably have a tack arrangment and why would you need a
jury
rig thing like a Tacker?

Did you see the photos of the thing?

No, but I've heard of it.

It allows the traditional spinaker to be flown with the tack attached to the
forestay.

That's what I thought, but XR 750 dsecribed its use with an assymetrical spin
which struck me as odd.

I think that it is aimed at people who have a normal spinaker, but who
don't have an asymmetric. A spinaker is a bit more macho than a cruising
chute, so I think that more people(me included) own a spinaker than an
assymetric.

I agree, although I wish I had an assy instead of a symetrical spinnaker.

I'd like to see some evidence that it wouldn't damage the forestay or the
furled jenny when a gust hits. Otherwise, it looks like a good idea.

I think that is the main rap on the thing.

Spinnaker question
 

Hey Nutsy,
Very, very long!

Ole Thom here. I hope this isn't a troll. I'm assuming it isn't.

First: Let's make sure of our terms..
I'm not sure what you're using on your forestay? It sounds very much
like a "TACKER"

2nd: If "Derelict" is rigged to fly a Standard Spinnaker we have to
make sure. If so Equip. the front of your mast will probably have an
adjustable spinnaker pole eye clip to adjust the height of the pole ( To
keep it horizontal) There should be two lines rigged on the front of
the mast. One to support the spinnaker pole to keep the front end from
drooping below the horizontal and a second line, rigged below the pole
to keep the pole from rising. I know them as Spinn. Lifts and Spinn
downhauls (that's what they do, they may have other names. If you have
them, we'll talk about them later
( I hope this isn't a troll)

3rd; The Spinnaker (If a standard) should have three (3) corners. A head
and two corners the same distance from the head and at the foot of the
sail. They are alternately connected as Guy and Sheet. The Guy is
attached to the pole end and a line comes back to the cockpit (Outboard
of all shroud, pulpits. lifelines etc. The Sheet is set flying free with
only a sheet line connected and led thru a block, usually located near
the stern. The Guy line is run thru a similiar Block on the opposite
side of the cockpit. On a Std Spinn the guy and the clew should be at
the same hight

4th; Let's trim the Std Chute. The Guy is used to pull the chute out
from under the shadow of the main so the pole has the be mount on the
windward side of the forestay. You can pull the Spinn around until the
leading edge starts to fold in. If it is rigged right it should fold the
full lenght of the leading edge. Then ease the guy until the leading
edge is drawing again. If the edge doesn't brake clean, top to bottom,
adjust the hight of the pole with the lift and downhaul. (Tighter if top
brakes to early.

There are two types of Gybes for the std Spinn: Dip Pole and an End for
End. If yu want me to go thru them E-mail me.
I sure as hell hope you're not trolling

Now: Now Assy Spinn
1st: I'm not sure that you were using the Guy hooked to the tack. You
could have but it should be run thru a block mounted at the foot of
forestay. The working end goes to the tack of "TACKER" ( It seems like
the Spinn Guy is about the same thing
I carry my Assy in a sleeve but you'll have
three corner;
A clew, aguy and the head. Hook the Spinnaker Halyard to the head and
the sheets to the clew. ( I use a 3/8" nylon line, 120 ft long) I double
it in half, push the loop thru the clew eye, run the two looe end thru
the loop that is formed and draw them tight. This gives me two sheets
which I run outside EVERYTHING, one on each side of the boat.

2nd; Furl the head sail. Draw the headsail sheets down to the drum and
secure them there (I use a bungy cord). Snap on the Tracker, steer
downwind enough to create a wind shadow in the area you are working. I
like to set the tack at about "Balls level" Susy will need to think of
something else. Raise the sail with Spinn Halyard, Set working sheet and
sail out of the shadow. Hang on 'cause she should take off. It will be
fast but she is ok. Trim it as you would the Std. Let out on the sheet
until you get the leading edge folding in.( that line you said was the
Guy) That can be used rise or lower the sail to control the leading
edge.

Note; Don't ever turn up wind if you feel in trouble. It is not a
Standard Head Sail. Head downwind to blanket the sail and you can lower
with ease

2nd note; If you are blanketing the sail it probably means your heading
is to low
Corrections; 1; Ease the down haul (on a free flying sail you can
sometimes get the Assy above the shadow.
2: Sail a higher course
3: If you are looking to hold a course lower than you can maintain, Gybe
the Spinn Over and pole out the clew. Sail wing and wing

Point to Remember: If you feel you're in trouble; DON'T TURN INTO THE
WIND! Turn down wind to shadow the Spinnaker

By the way; Another way to avoid the shadow is the Bowsprit. I set one
with my boat by using the spinnaker pole.run out on the anchor roller
with a clamp ( Pin thru two drills holes in the roller guides )
and a ring screwed to the forward hatch slide

If you want more info e-mail me

OT

Spinnaker question
 

I'll take my Tri-Radial, 3/4 oz .....over that Assy...... any day.

Experience allows the option of a non poled, goose winged, downwind run.....
which is almost as fast as a chute.
Double hank with a 170 and a 110 jib, drop the main and voila..... no helm
needed.

CM

Spinnaker question
 

My question is on mainsail trim. Sailing with the mainsail trimmed "ideally"
seems to block the spinnaker to some degree.

That's why you use the pole.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

Spinnaker question
 

Experience allows the option of a non poled, goose winged, downwind run.....
which is almost as fast as a chute.

No way.


S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

Spinnaker question
 

RB,

An Assy And a STD spinnakers are two different sails. There is nothing
Macho about either one.

A Std chute has less area than the Assy
but is fuller up high and can sail effectively farther downwind. In some
why it is easier to control and manover due to the way it is rigged.
That extra rigging just about doubles the price over the Assy, which
only requires a halyard. It cannot go as deep down wind but on a broad
reach it will leave the Std sucking wind.

If you have both you should make polars for both.

An Assy is easier to tack and if sailed correctly can travel farther and
faster and reach the downwind mark ahead of the Std. SOMETIMES!!! That
is why Polar are important.

I like my Assy best. It is a kick in the ass sail to play around with.
It is FAST! It makes your blood pump faster but to be honest I've been
probably whipped more times than not by STD Spinn on down wind legs.
Since I normally race in the cruising class (NO FLYING SAIL) I can't use
it around the bouys but on the long distance I move up a class and I can
get a long reach I can make a lot of the speed freak pretty nervuos

RB, if you don't have a Assy Chute, don't even screw with the bowsprit.
That will force you to carry your sail to low. A Std Chute should should
be flown with the pole about shoulder high. You should tack going
downwind. Maybe about 170 degrees to 190 degrees. You'll probably be in
a world where a Assy can't live

Good nite,
Ole Thom

Spinnaker question
 

RB,

An Assy And a STD spinnakers are two different sails. There is nothing
Macho about either one.

A Std chute has less area than the Assy
but is fuller up high and can sail effectively farther downwind. In some
why it is easier to control and manover due to the way it is rigged.
That extra rigging just about doubles the price over the Assy, which
only requires a halyard. It cannot go as deep down wind but on a broad
reach it will leave the Std sucking wind.

If you have both you should make polars for both.

An Assy is easier to tack and if sailed correctly can travel farther and
faster and reach the downwind mark ahead of the Std. SOMETIMES!!! That
is why Polar are important.

I like my Assy best. It is a kick in the ass sail to play around with.
It is FAST! It makes your blood pump faster but to be honest I've been
probably whipped more times than not by STD Spinn on down wind legs.
Since I normally race in the cruising class (NO FLYING SAIL) I can't use
it around the bouys but on the long distance I move up a class and I can
get a long reach I can make a lot of the speed freak pretty nervuos

RB, if you don't have a Assy Chute, don't even screw with the bowsprit.
That will force you to carry your sail to low. A Std Chute should should
be flown with the pole about shoulder high. You should tack going
downwind. Maybe about 170 degrees to 190 degrees. You'll probably be in
a world where a Assy can't live

Good nite,
Ole Thom