Reusable Salt Water Battery
 

Here it is, just add salt water and you get 12 VDC! When it runs down,
simply rinse with fresh water, refill and away you go!

http://dragonet.com/fhp/

Betcha Bobsprit doesn't have one or even know they exist! Three batteries, a
top of the line battery charger, emergency backup, stereo, tv,
hahahahaaaaa!!!!!!!

Reusable Salt Water Battery
 

EviroGen 12V
Voltage (no load) approx. 12+V
Voltage @ 4 Watts approx. 10 V
Amperage approx. 400mA

or
Voltage @ 8 Watts approx. 8 V
Amperage approx 850mA

Power (per single set anodes) approx. 40+ Ah

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Not much power output there. It's good enough to maybe
run a teensy-weeny transistor radio or some such.


"Ligniere" wrote in message thlink.net...
Here it is, just add salt water and you get 12 VDC! When it runs down,
simply rinse with fresh water, refill and away you go!

http://dragonet.com/fhp/

Betcha Bobsprit doesn't have one or even know they exist! Three batteries, a
top of the line battery charger, emergency backup, stereo, tv,
hahahahaaaaa!!!!!!!

Reusable Salt Water Battery
 

That would be an excellent method of running an anchor light. I doubt I
would trust it to a bilge pump though.
40 amp/hrs. I wonder how long the anodes last?

CM

"Ligniere" wrote in message
thlink.net...
| Here it is, just add salt water and you get 12 VDC! When it runs down,
| simply rinse with fresh water, refill and away you go!
|
| http://dragonet.com/fhp/
|
| Betcha Bobsprit doesn't have one or even know they exist! Three batteries,
a
| top of the line battery charger, emergency backup, stereo, tv,
| hahahahaaaaa!!!!!!!
|
|

Reusable Salt Water Battery
 

Here it is, just add salt water and you get 12 VDC! When it runs down,
simply rinse with fresh water, refill and away you go!

Interesting that there are no output specs.

RB

Reusable Salt Water Battery
 

I've got all of those parts and a metal lathe/ machine shop..... where can
I get the plans?

CM

"Ligniere" wrote in message
thlink.net...
| It's obvious Bobsprit knows zilch about anything electrical, or just
| anything for that matter.
| Yes, indeed, Simon the output is a little low, but it's a small battery.
If
| one were to make one in a 50 quart plastic cooler, the ouptut would be
| considerably more.
| In fact, if one were resourceful you could build this device from metal
shim
| stock, a cooler, some plastic and be in business.
| You could even make a battery from old zinc sacrificial electrodes and
scrap
| copper pipe tied in an alternating fashion on a line and lowered over the
| side of a yacht. You would need a wire to connect successive copper to
zinc
| piece and a wire at each end of the string. This would easily recharge a
| battery - 24 hours a day and cost next to nothing.
|
|
| "Simple Simon" wrote in message
| ...
| Interesting that you can't read or figure out how to
| view the source code to find the specs I posted.
|
|
| "Bobsprit" wrote in message
| ...
| Here it is, just add salt water and you get 12 VDC! When it runs down,
| simply rinse with fresh water, refill and away you go!
|
| Interesting that there are no output specs.
|
| RB
|
|
|
|
|

Reusable Salt Water Battery
 

Yeah... but then I'd be an American... and I'm not prepared to sink that
low!

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
| if you lived in a part of the world where the sun shines more than 1/2
hour
| per day, solar cells would be a better choice.
| --
| Scott Vernon
| Plowville PA __/)__/)__
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
| I've got all of those parts and a metal lathe/ machine shop..... where
| can
| I get the plans?
|
| CM
|
| "Ligniere" wrote in message
| thlink.net...
| | It's obvious Bobsprit knows zilch about anything electrical, or just
| | anything for that matter.
| | Yes, indeed, Simon the output is a little low, but it's a small
battery.
| If
| | one were to make one in a 50 quart plastic cooler, the ouptut would be
| | considerably more.
| | In fact, if one were resourceful you could build this device from
metal
| shim
| | stock, a cooler, some plastic and be in business.
| | You could even make a battery from old zinc sacrificial electrodes and
| scrap
| | copper pipe tied in an alternating fashion on a line and lowered over
| the
| | side of a yacht. You would need a wire to connect successive copper to
| zinc
| | piece and a wire at each end of the string. This would easily recharge
a
| | battery - 24 hours a day and cost next to nothing.
| |
| |
| | "Simple Simon" wrote in message
| | ...
| | Interesting that you can't read or figure out how to
| | view the source code to find the specs I posted.
| |
| |
| | "Bobsprit" wrote in message
| | ...
| | Here it is, just add salt water and you get 12 VDC! When it runs
| down,
| | simply rinse with fresh water, refill and away you go!
| |
| | Interesting that there are no output specs.
| |
| | RB
| |
| |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
|

Reusable Salt Water Battery
 

Really?

I can send you plans to test for a battery.

If you are moored in strong currents you might want to try a
magnetohydrodynamic generator. It can be built with a pvc tube, common
magnets, two wires and some simple copper electrodes. The salt water current
flows through the tube which has magnets on the outside, which also has a
magnetic field on the inside. There is a voltage induced between opposing
walls of the tube, where you put the electrodes. There is minimal drag on
this device and no moving parts.

Do you have a shear and a brake? You could make a large battery. Are you
qualified to operate machinery?

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
I've got all of those parts and a metal lathe/ machine shop..... where
can
I get the plans?

CM

"Ligniere" wrote in message
thlink.net...
| It's obvious Bobsprit knows zilch about anything electrical, or just
| anything for that matter.
| Yes, indeed, Simon the output is a little low, but it's a small battery.
If
| one were to make one in a 50 quart plastic cooler, the ouptut would be
| considerably more.
| In fact, if one were resourceful you could build this device from metal
shim
| stock, a cooler, some plastic and be in business.
| You could even make a battery from old zinc sacrificial electrodes and
scrap
| copper pipe tied in an alternating fashion on a line and lowered over
the
| side of a yacht. You would need a wire to connect successive copper to
zinc
| piece and a wire at each end of the string. This would easily recharge a
| battery - 24 hours a day and cost next to nothing.
|
|
| "Simple Simon" wrote in message
| ...
| Interesting that you can't read or figure out how to
| view the source code to find the specs I posted.
|
|
| "Bobsprit" wrote in message
| ...
| Here it is, just add salt water and you get 12 VDC! When it runs
down,
| simply rinse with fresh water, refill and away you go!
|
| Interesting that there are no output specs.
|
| RB
|
|
|
|
|

Reusable Salt Water Battery
 

No current..... my Father is a machinist and is instructing me. Metal Lathe
and some bending equipment as well as a heavy band saw type cutting tool for
metal up to an inch thick. I do have access to a plasma cutter at a friend's
shop. I'm just starting to learn the craft. I'm currently overhauling and
re-roofing the workshop and as soon as it's finished I plan to start on a
canon for my sailboat. I'm looking at stock now for milling on the lathe.

Can this type of generator be towed array deployed?

CM

"Ligniere" wrote in message
rthlink.net...
| Really?
|
| I can send you plans to test for a battery.
|
| If you are moored in strong currents you might want to try a
| magnetohydrodynamic generator. It can be built with a pvc tube, common
| magnets, two wires and some simple copper electrodes. The salt water
current
| flows through the tube which has magnets on the outside, which also has a
| magnetic field on the inside. There is a voltage induced between opposing
| walls of the tube, where you put the electrodes. There is minimal drag on
| this device and no moving parts.
|
| Do you have a shear and a brake? You could make a large battery. Are you
| qualified to operate machinery?
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
| I've got all of those parts and a metal lathe/ machine shop..... where
| can
| I get the plans?
|
| CM
|
| "Ligniere" wrote in message
| thlink.net...
| | It's obvious Bobsprit knows zilch about anything electrical, or just
| | anything for that matter.
| | Yes, indeed, Simon the output is a little low, but it's a small
battery.
| If
| | one were to make one in a 50 quart plastic cooler, the ouptut would be
| | considerably more.
| | In fact, if one were resourceful you could build this device from
metal
| shim
| | stock, a cooler, some plastic and be in business.
| | You could even make a battery from old zinc sacrificial electrodes and
| scrap
| | copper pipe tied in an alternating fashion on a line and lowered over
| the
| | side of a yacht. You would need a wire to connect successive copper to
| zinc
| | piece and a wire at each end of the string. This would easily recharge
a
| | battery - 24 hours a day and cost next to nothing.
| |
| |
| | "Simple Simon" wrote in message
| | ...
| | Interesting that you can't read or figure out how to
| | view the source code to find the specs I posted.
| |
| |
| | "Bobsprit" wrote in message
| | ...
| | Here it is, just add salt water and you get 12 VDC! When it runs
| down,
| | simply rinse with fresh water, refill and away you go!
| |
| | Interesting that there are no output specs.
| |
| | RB
| |
| |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
|

Reusable Salt Water Battery
 

The MHD can be towed.

You can buy cannons online.


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
No current..... my Father is a machinist and is instructing me. Metal
Lathe
and some bending equipment as well as a heavy band saw type cutting tool
for
metal up to an inch thick. I do have access to a plasma cutter at a
friend's
shop. I'm just starting to learn the craft. I'm currently overhauling and
re-roofing the workshop and as soon as it's finished I plan to start on a
canon for my sailboat. I'm looking at stock now for milling on the lathe.

Can this type of generator be towed array deployed?

CM

"Ligniere" wrote in message
rthlink.net...
| Really?
|
| I can send you plans to test for a battery.
|
| If you are moored in strong currents you might want to try a
| magnetohydrodynamic generator. It can be built with a pvc tube, common
| magnets, two wires and some simple copper electrodes. The salt water
current
| flows through the tube which has magnets on the outside, which also has
a
| magnetic field on the inside. There is a voltage induced between
opposing
| walls of the tube, where you put the electrodes. There is minimal drag
on
| this device and no moving parts.
|
| Do you have a shear and a brake? You could make a large battery. Are you
| qualified to operate machinery?
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
| I've got all of those parts and a metal lathe/ machine shop.....
where
| can
| I get the plans?
|
| CM
|
| "Ligniere" wrote in message
| thlink.net...
| | It's obvious Bobsprit knows zilch about anything electrical, or just
| | anything for that matter.
| | Yes, indeed, Simon the output is a little low, but it's a small
battery.
| If
| | one were to make one in a 50 quart plastic cooler, the ouptut would
be
| | considerably more.
| | In fact, if one were resourceful you could build this device from
metal
| shim
| | stock, a cooler, some plastic and be in business.
| | You could even make a battery from old zinc sacrificial electrodes
and
| scrap
| | copper pipe tied in an alternating fashion on a line and lowered
over
| the
| | side of a yacht. You would need a wire to connect successive copper
to
| zinc
| | piece and a wire at each end of the string. This would easily
recharge
a
| | battery - 24 hours a day and cost next to nothing.
| |
| |
| | "Simple Simon" wrote in message
| | ...
| | Interesting that you can't read or figure out how to
| | view the source code to find the specs I posted.
| |
| |
| | "Bobsprit" wrote in message
| | ...
| | Here it is, just add salt water and you get 12 VDC! When it runs
| down,
| | simply rinse with fresh water, refill and away you go!
| |
| | Interesting that there are no output specs.
| |
| | RB
| |
| |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
|

Reusable Salt Water Battery
 

I sooner build my own thanks..... ya think a rifled barrel would increase
accuracy? ;-D

CM


"Ligniere" wrote in message
rthlink.net...
| The MHD can be towed.
|
| You can buy cannons online.
|
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
| No current..... my Father is a machinist and is instructing me. Metal
| Lathe
| and some bending equipment as well as a heavy band saw type cutting tool
| for
| metal up to an inch thick. I do have access to a plasma cutter at a
| friend's
| shop. I'm just starting to learn the craft. I'm currently overhauling
and
| re-roofing the workshop and as soon as it's finished I plan to start on
a
| canon for my sailboat. I'm looking at stock now for milling on the
lathe.
|
| Can this type of generator be towed array deployed?
|
| CM
|
| "Ligniere" wrote in message
| rthlink.net...
| | Really?
| |
| | I can send you plans to test for a battery.
| |
| | If you are moored in strong currents you might want to try a
| | magnetohydrodynamic generator. It can be built with a pvc tube, common
| | magnets, two wires and some simple copper electrodes. The salt water
| current
| | flows through the tube which has magnets on the outside, which also
has
| a
| | magnetic field on the inside. There is a voltage induced between
| opposing
| | walls of the tube, where you put the electrodes. There is minimal drag
| on
| | this device and no moving parts.
| |
| | Do you have a shear and a brake? You could make a large battery. Are
you
| | qualified to operate machinery?
| |
| | "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| | ...
| | I've got all of those parts and a metal lathe/ machine shop.....
| where
| | can
| | I get the plans?
| |
| | CM
| |
| | "Ligniere" wrote in message
| | thlink.net...
| | | It's obvious Bobsprit knows zilch about anything electrical, or
just
| | | anything for that matter.
| | | Yes, indeed, Simon the output is a little low, but it's a small
| battery.
| | If
| | | one were to make one in a 50 quart plastic cooler, the ouptut
would
| be
| | | considerably more.
| | | In fact, if one were resourceful you could build this device from
| metal
| | shim
| | | stock, a cooler, some plastic and be in business.
| | | You could even make a battery from old zinc sacrificial electrodes
| and
| | scrap
| | | copper pipe tied in an alternating fashion on a line and lowered
| over
| | the
| | | side of a yacht. You would need a wire to connect successive
copper
| to
| | zinc
| | | piece and a wire at each end of the string. This would easily
| recharge
| a
| | | battery - 24 hours a day and cost next to nothing.
| | |
| | |
| | | "Simple Simon" wrote in message
| | | ...
| | | Interesting that you can't read or figure out how to
| | | view the source code to find the specs I posted.
| | |
| | |
| | | "Bobsprit" wrote in message
| | | ...
| | | Here it is, just add salt water and you get 12 VDC! When it
runs
| | down,
| | | simply rinse with fresh water, refill and away you go!
| | |
| | | Interesting that there are no output specs.
| | |
| | | RB
| | |
| | |
| | |
| | |
| | |
| |
| |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
|

Reusable Salt Water Battery
 

Got plans, specs or diagrams? I like to have a look and maybe build one to
test it.

CM

"Ligniere" wrote in message
rthlink.net...
| The MHD can be towed.

Reusable Salt Water Battery
 

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
Got plans, specs or diagrams? I like to have a look and maybe build one
to
test it.

CM

"Ligniere" wrote in message
rthlink.net...
| The MHD can be towed.

Don't get your hopes up. Gilligan's *brilliant* ideas are usually the
result of misunderstood scientific reports.




Regards


Donal
--

Reusable Salt Water Battery
 

Careful dude..... my little buddy has the transponder frequency for your
EPRIB.... tick him off and it's spotlights at 0300hrs while you're sawing
off a piece with the ole' lady!!!

Ever read the sign..""QUIET GENIUS AT WORK!!" ?????


CM


"Donal" wrote in message
...
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
| Got plans, specs or diagrams? I like to have a look and maybe build one
| to
| test it.
|
| CM
|
| "Ligniere" wrote in message
| rthlink.net...
| | The MHD can be towed.
|
| Don't get your hopes up. Gilligan's *brilliant* ideas are usually the
| result of misunderstood scientific reports.
|
|
|
|
| Regards
|
|
| Donal
| --
|
|
|

Reusable Salt Water Battery
 

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
Careful dude..... my little buddy has the transponder frequency for your
EPRIB....

Pah! I don't have an EPIRB. They are for wimps.

If I die at sea, then I will have died doing what I enjoy. I can only think
of *one* better way to go..... and I don't use an EPIRB when I'm having sex.
Do you?



Regards


Donal
--

Reusable Salt Water Battery
 

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ...
Yeah... but then I'd be an American... and I'm not prepared to sink that
low!

Not necessary. We have heaps of sunlight out here.

BTW, I'm interested in this toy as well, and I have a very good shop.
We've been looking professionally at fuel cells for use on Heard
Island and other subantarctic islands. The technology is OK but the
output is still too low for the dollars involved, generally. Another
year or 2, the way it's going....

PDW

Reusable Salt Water Battery
 

"Donal" wrote in message

|..... and I don't use an EPIRB when I'm having sex.
| Do you?

Not personally.... but I've heard tell some ladies like to have it nearby
for when the "ship goes down"...

I imgaine that's a big concern in Jolly Ole......

CM

Reusable Salt Water Battery
 

Picture example of magnetohydrodynamic drive:

http://www.physics.brocku.ca/faculty...ges/f21019.jpg


Good paper on magnetohydrodynamic generator:

navier.stanford.edu/PIG/C4_S9.pdf

Note that Faraday (in 1831) pulled power from the Thames River via
magnetohydrodynamic generator principles. It has low conductivity and the
earth's field was used as the magnet so the output power wasn't high.


Here's another paper with experimental results:

adidacfellowship.org/Gary/MHD.pdf

The experimentor did not overcome the electrode-electrolyte interface
problems, nor the problems of ions in a moving fluid (ions don't move fast,
about the speed of the water so most are swept downstream).


If you use proper electrode design (make them have large surface area and
arrange the immersed potential polarity to add to the induced potential) and
use large magnets (like from a discarded microwave oven) you can get it to
work well enough to recharge batteries for a small size generator. You can
test it with a prototype made from a garden hose, salt water, sewing pins
for electrodes and an old magnetron magnet (from a microwave oven).

The principles are also using in Hall effect clamp on arterial blood flow
meters. The moving blood generates a voltage across the artery when a
magnetic field is applied.

I'll let Donal explain how to optimize the design and what other problems to
anticipate.


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
Careful dude..... my little buddy has the transponder frequency for your
EPRIB.... tick him off and it's spotlights at 0300hrs while you're sawing
off a piece with the ole' lady!!!

Ever read the sign..""QUIET GENIUS AT WORK!!" ?????


CM


"Donal" wrote in message
...
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
| Got plans, specs or diagrams? I like to have a look and maybe build
one
| to
| test it.
|
| CM
|
| "Ligniere" wrote in message
| rthlink.net...
| | The MHD can be towed.
|
| Don't get your hopes up. Gilligan's *brilliant* ideas are usually the
| result of misunderstood scientific reports.
|
|
|
|
| Regards
|
|
| Donal
| --
|
|
|

Reusable Salt Water Battery
 

One last reference of interest:

http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/~agusta/review/motion.html


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
Careful dude..... my little buddy has the transponder frequency for your
EPRIB.... tick him off and it's spotlights at 0300hrs while you're sawing
off a piece with the ole' lady!!!

Ever read the sign..""QUIET GENIUS AT WORK!!" ?????


CM


"Donal" wrote in message
...
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
| Got plans, specs or diagrams? I like to have a look and maybe build
one
| to
| test it.
|
| CM
|
| "Ligniere" wrote in message
| rthlink.net...
| | The MHD can be towed.
|
| Don't get your hopes up. Gilligan's *brilliant* ideas are usually the
| result of misunderstood scientific reports.
|
|
|
|
| Regards
|
|
| Donal
| --
|
|
|

Reusable Salt Water Battery
 

Will do Peter..... I'm currently assembling moorings for my boats and
completing designs and paperwork for my friend's marina. I'm dealing with 3
levels of government and tons of applications requiring site plans and
permits. It's a nightmare but I will have the contacts and required
experience after it's done to take on contracts later on. Time well spent so
far as there are a lot of folks buying houses out this way and they are
running into problems trying to establish wharves, docks and moorings.

CM

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
om...
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
| I sooner build my own thanks..... ya think a rifled barrel would
increase
| accuracy? ;-D
|
| Need a slow twist which is a bit of a problem unless you set up a
| rifling bench. Depends on how big a cannon you have in mind. Send me
| an email off-list if you're really interested; I'm not much into
| firearms these days but I used to be and have a lot of references.
| Some cannon plans too, which I can send you.
|
| The best one to build is a breechloader but there are a lot more rules
| then. If you worry about such details. My understanding is Canada is
| as bad as Australia on gun ownership if not worse. All those bad
| examples south of the border.
|
| PDW