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Yachts abandoned - attention bargain hunters!
"Charles Momsen" wrote in message ... Story he http://www.king5.com/localnews/stori...6931c42. html The marinas' chickens . . . are comin' home . . . to rrroost! Serves the greedy marina operator right. They've been abusing the public for too many years with their exorbitant prices. (Around here, upwards of 1,000 dollars a month for a slip in what amounts to floating travel trailer park full of broken down, go nowhere vessels. The operators should have seen the handwriting on the wall but they've been lulled into a false sense of security because the demand, heretofore, has outstripped the supply of wet slips and moorings. Foolish people with more money to spend on highway robbery than sense. No more! Money is now in short supply and will become more so as the economy spirals into depression. These fool *businessmen*, rather than scale back the cost of slips and moorings, would rather they sit there empty. Duh! They've forgotten the basic law of supply and demand. When demand goes down you just can't expect to keep charging confiscatory rates. Letting a good percentage of your slips and moorings sit empty and then spending your time complaining about it indicates that you have not one iota of business acumen. Take your medicine - go bankrupt rather than adjust your rates and lower your overhead. There's a good little liberal wankstain! Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Nov 22, 10:16*am, "Charles Momsen" wrote:
Story he http://www.king5.com/localnews/stori...nomy_abandoned... Hey Gilligan hope all is well in Colorado, Here there are over 300 boats abandoned on the lake . http://www.galvnews.com/story.lasso?...13B4Upx1BE88DD The EL Lago Marina was one of the worst wiped out, sadly Silvers wife could not handle the pressure. http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=6517696 Joe |
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"Joe" wrote in message ... On Nov 22, 10:16 am, "Charles Momsen" wrote: Story he http://www.king5.com/localnews/stori...nomy_abandoned... Hey Gilligan hope all is well in Colorado, Here there are over 300 boats abandoned on the lake . http://www.galvnews.com/story.lasso?...13B4Upx1BE88DD The EL Lago Marina was one of the worst wiped out, sadly Silvers wife could not handle the pressure. http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=6517696 I feel badly for the poor guy. But . . . Why do people not anticipate this kind of thing and prepare for it? Why do people keep falling for the obviously false, liberal claptrap that a knight in shining, government armor is going to gallop out of the sunrise and rescue them from every eventuality, foreseen and unforeseen? Why is it a marina in hurricane country didn't have a plan that included rebuilding after a hurricane wiped them out? When did it ever get to the point where there was nothing but despair leading to a suicide? Where was the financial cushion? Why is a newspaper article furthering the insanity and acting like it was all somebody else's fault. Griping that government help isn't timely or enough. Worse still is the question: "Why do people reading that propaganda nod their heads in agreement?" It's a barometer into the soul of a soulless liberal society. For how many years did the Silvers own and operate the marina? 10? 15? 20? Unless they just recently purchased the marina, why did they not set aside a percentage of earnings annually in a rebuilding kitty? Why did they neglect having a contingency plan? And, if they just recently purchased it why did they wipe out most of their working capital so there was nothing left in the kitty for eventualities like hurricanes? Did they not have insurance of some sort? Where was their business plan? In hurricane country partial or total destruction it's a matter of when, not if. It sounds like they embraced the liberal lie that big brother would come to their rescue. How many times are people going to see this is rarely the case before they smarten up and become responsible for taking care of their own? Texan's, in particular, seem to like to brag about how they are so ruggedly independent and manly. While I've not seen the level of whining as was and still is the case in New Orleans - an almost totally liberal bastion - there is still an embarrassing level of whining in the Galveston area where folks pride themselves on being personally responsible and independent. As long as people believe government is their friend and helpmate they are living a lie. You have but two real friends in this life - the Good Lord and His gifts to you. Any real man realizes this truth and acts accordingly. For help of a critical nature look first to the Lord, then yourself, your friends and your church in that order. Government does not appear anywhere on the list. Wake up, people! Wilbur Hubbard |
Yachts abandoned - attention bargain hunters!
yep, for folks with cash in hand...there are now, and will be grat
deals avail...at least thst's what i am discovering...i started a boat corp and we ( 5 members ) are shopping right now for a used ericson 38-200... shoppin' and browsing the net, i see some great deals out there...i bid on a 1976 ericson 35 in tx w/rub rail damage...not major....and missed by aprox $8,500 getting it...i bid a max of $2,500 and it sold for $10k or so... not the boat i/we wanted.....but a heck of a deal...."cash in hand" talks in a recession, that's for sure...... cheers everyone...... On Nov 23, 8:36*am, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ... On Nov 22, 10:16 am, "Charles Momsen" wrote: Story he http://www.king5.com/localnews/stori...nomy_abandoned.... Hey Gilligan hope all is well in Colorado, *Here there are over 300 boats abandoned on the lake . http://www.galvnews.com/story.lasso?...84&-session=Th... The EL Lago Marina was one of the worst wiped out, sadly Silvers wife could not handle the pressure. http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=6517696 I feel badly for the poor guy. But . . . Why do people not anticipate this kind of thing and prepare for it? Why do people keep falling for the obviously false, liberal claptrap that a knight in shining, government armor is going to gallop out of the sunrise and rescue them from every eventuality, foreseen and unforeseen? Why is it a marina in hurricane country didn't have a plan that included rebuilding after a hurricane wiped them out? When did it ever get to the point where there was nothing but despair leading to a suicide? Where was the financial cushion? Why is a newspaper article furthering the insanity and acting like it was all somebody else's fault. Griping that government help isn't timely or enough. Worse still is the question: "Why do people reading that propaganda nod their heads in agreement?" *It's a barometer into the soul of a soulless liberal society. For how many years did the Silvers own and operate the marina? 10? 15? 20? Unless they just recently purchased the marina, why did they not set aside a percentage of earnings annually in a rebuilding kitty? Why did they neglect having a contingency plan? And, if they just recently purchased it why did they wipe out most of their working capital so there was nothing left in the kitty for eventualities like hurricanes? Did they not have insurance of some sort? Where was their business plan? In hurricane country partial or total destruction it's a matter of when, not if. It sounds like they embraced the liberal lie that big brother would come to their rescue. How many times are people going to see this is rarely the case before they smarten up and become responsible for taking care of their own? Texan's, in particular, seem to like to brag about how they are so ruggedly independent and manly. While I've not seen the level of whining as was and still is the case in New Orleans - an almost totally liberal bastion - there is still an embarrassing level of whining in the Galveston area where folks pride themselves on being personally responsible and independent. As long as people believe government is their friend and helpmate they are living a lie. You have but two real friends in this life - the Good Lord and His gifts to you. Any real man realizes this truth and acts accordingly. For help of a critical nature look first to the Lord, then yourself, your friends and your church in that order. Government does not appear anywhere on the list. Wake up, people! Wilbur Hubbard- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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On Nov 23, 9:36*am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ... On Nov 22, 10:16 am, "Charles Momsen" wrote: Story he http://www.king5.com/localnews/stori...nomy_abandoned.... Hey Gilligan hope all is well in Colorado, *Here there are over 300 boats abandoned on the lake . http://www.galvnews.com/story.lasso?...84&-session=Th... The EL Lago Marina was one of the worst wiped out, sadly Silvers wife could not handle the pressure. http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=6517696 I feel badly for the poor guy. But . . . Why do people not anticipate this kind of thing and prepare for it? Why do people keep falling for the obviously false, liberal claptrap that a knight in shining, government armor is going to gallop out of the sunrise and rescue them from every eventuality, foreseen and unforeseen? Why is it a marina in hurricane country didn't have a plan that included rebuilding after a hurricane wiped them out? When did it ever get to the point where there was nothing but despair leading to a suicide? Where was the financial cushion? Why is a newspaper article furthering the insanity and acting like it was all somebody else's fault. Griping that government help isn't timely or enough. Worse still is the question: "Why do people reading that propaganda nod their heads in agreement?" *It's a barometer into the soul of a soulless liberal society. For how many years did the Silvers own and operate the marina? 10? 15? 20? Unless they just recently purchased the marina, why did they not set aside a percentage of earnings annually in a rebuilding kitty? Why did they neglect having a contingency plan? And, if they just recently purchased it why did they wipe out most of their working capital so there was nothing left in the kitty for eventualities like hurricanes? Did they not have insurance of some sort? Where was their business plan? In hurricane country partial or total destruction it's a matter of when, not if. It sounds like they embraced the liberal lie that big brother would come to their rescue. How many times are people going to see this is rarely the case before they smarten up and become responsible for taking care of their own? Texan's, in particular, seem to like to brag about how they are so ruggedly independent and manly. While I've not seen the level of whining as was and still is the case in New Orleans - an almost totally liberal bastion - there is still an embarrassing level of whining in the Galveston area where folks pride themselves on being personally responsible and independent. As long as people believe government is their friend and helpmate they are living a lie. You have but two real friends in this life - the Good Lord and His gifts to you. Any real man realizes this truth and acts accordingly. For help of a critical nature look first to the Lord, then yourself, your friends and your church in that order. Government does not appear anywhere on the list. Wake up, people! Wilbur Hubbard- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I've only meet mr Silvers a few times. Before the housing bust he was looking for investors to build a high rise like the hundred seen on the coast of Florida. Infact Florida builders were snapping up water front property here at as high as 30 million an acre. I feel sorry for the kids. Why he or she expected FEMA or the SBA to help is beyond me. They passed out all the free money, generators, mobile homes, trailers, credit cards, MRE's, rent checks, and aid to the Katrina "Victims". Next hurricane here the Governer will request that we all make cardboard help signs, line up at the astrodome and act like victims too, if we expect to be treated fairly by the people passing out govt cheese. 1000 bucks a mo for slip rentals in Florida? Does that come with a jar of Vasaline? Joe |
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On Nov 23, 11:13*am, "~^ beancounter ~^"
wrote: yep, for folks with cash in hand...there are now, and will be grat deals avail...at least thst's what i am discovering...i started a boat corp and we ( 5 members ) *are shopping right now for a used ericson 38-200... shoppin' and browsing the net, i see some great deals out there...i bid on a 1976 ericson 35 in tx w/rub rail damage...not major....and missed by aprox $8,500 getting it...i bid a max of $2,500 and it sold for $10k or so... not the boat i/we wanted.....but a heck of a deal...."cash in hand" talks in a recession, that's for sure...... cheers everyone...... Meet a fellow this week who bought an Alden 50 something for 20K. Needs a toe rail and some gel-coat work and rigging and a pulpit. Interior is stunning. There are many many 30 footers along the shore of Clearlake that the owners have walked away from. Joe |
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"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote:
yep, for folks with cash in hand...there are now, and will be grat deals avail...at least thst's what i am discovering...i started a boat corp and we ( 5 members ) *are shopping right now for a used ericson 38-200... shoppin' and browsing the net, i see some great deals out there...i bid on a 1976 ericson 35 in tx w/rub rail damage...not major....and missed by aprox $8,500 getting it...i bid a max of $2,500 and it sold for $10k or so... not the boat i/we wanted.....but a heck of a deal...."cash in hand" talks in a recession, that's for sure...... cheers everyone...... Frankly, I don't see 99% of boats on the market right now as a "bargain" unless you have very limited sailing plans. First of all, most boats are mass-produced dockominiums that don't sail all that well and are not designed or equipped for serious sailing or cruising. They're nice for drinking beer at the dock, so if that's what you wanna do, then you can get a good deal. 2nd, most boats on the 2nd-hand market are badly neglected. Very few are reasonably equipped for anything other than mild weather (see #1 above) and all will need skilled work plus at least a few BOAT unit$ for repair, maintenance, upgrades etc. Many have been neglected to the point of needing major work. When I was boat-shopping this past spring, it was a buyer's market although not as much so as now; and of the boat within the size & type range I was looking at, I didn't see a single one I considered a bargain. Most I would not have accepted if offered to me for free. But then, I'm kinda picky. YMMV Ericsons are pretty good boats, but even at serious discount you will probably sink more $$ into it than you'll ever get out, and that's not putting a dollar value on your time & work. Remember, when good times come again, it will most likely still be a buyer's market and the boat will be older yet. So, pick a boat you really really like and will find rewarding to own & sail. Then it will be worth the work & effort you put into it. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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"Joe" wrote in message ... On Nov 22, 10:16 am, "Charles Momsen" wrote: Story he http://www.king5.com/localnews/stori...nomy_abandoned... Hey Gilligan hope all is well in Colorado, Here there are over 300 boats abandoned on the lake . http://www.galvnews.com/story.lasso?...13B4Upx1BE88DD The EL Lago Marina was one of the worst wiped out, sadly Silvers wife could not handle the pressure. http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=6517696 Joe Hi Joe, Things are pretty good here for the most part. No real big unemployment problems since most of those who lost their jobs went back to Mexico. A good number of foreclosures on houses but the small investor is locked out because lenders have a limit on the number of houses you can have mortgaged. Gas is under $2.00, food and ammunition prices are dropping so it's not all gloom and doom. I plan on getting down your way in a few weeks to see my old yacht, its new owner and sniff around for another fine addition to the fleet. I hope you are getting a new RedCloud II going, it's people like you that make America great - independent, self reliant people that never give up on their vision. Adm. Momsen |
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wrote in message ... "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote: yep, for folks with cash in hand...there are now, and will be grat deals avail...at least thst's what i am discovering...i started a boat corp and we ( 5 members ) are shopping right now for a used ericson 38-200... shoppin' and browsing the net, i see some great deals out there...i bid on a 1976 ericson 35 in tx w/rub rail damage...not major....and missed by aprox $8,500 getting it...i bid a max of $2,500 and it sold for $10k or so... not the boat i/we wanted.....but a heck of a deal...."cash in hand" talks in a recession, that's for sure...... cheers everyone...... Frankly, I don't see 99% of boats on the market right now as a "bargain" unless you have very limited sailing plans. But Doug, mass produced boats are not marketed for the slim 1% First of all, most boats are mass-produced dockominiums that don't sail all that well and are not designed or equipped for serious sailing or cruising. They're nice for drinking beer at the dock, so if that's what you wanna do, then you can get a good deal. That's what sailing and for the most part, the American way of life has become. Look at Robbie - tricked out flimsy racer for daysails, a turbo coupe for grocery runs. Image sells but doesn't make up for lack of character 2nd, most boats on the 2nd-hand market are badly neglected. Very few are reasonably equipped for anything other than mild weather (see #1 above) and all will need skilled work plus at least a few BOAT unit$ for repair, maintenance, upgrades etc. Many have been neglected to the point of needing major work. Most boats? What is your sample size for this conclusion? When I was boat-shopping this past spring, it was a buyer's market although not as much so as now; and of the boat within the size & type range I was looking at, I didn't see a single one I considered a bargain. Most I would not have accepted if offered to me for free. This begs the question: are you realistic? But then, I'm kinda picky. YMMV Ericsons are pretty good boats, but even at serious discount you will probably sink more $$ into it than you'll ever get out, and that's not putting a dollar value on your time & work. Remember, when good times come again, it will most likely still be a buyer's market and the boat will be older yet. So, pick a boat you really really like and will find rewarding to own & sail. Then it will be worth the work & effort you put into it. I think that is what most people do. The problem is you don't like 99% of boats and other people may like 20% or 50% of boats If people wait until the end of next summer then they'll see the bargains Since the Democratic controlled Congress and the future administration will be and are saddling our children with massive debt, I doubt boats will be in the game plan for many in decades to come. There will be no rebound for boats. Yachts will become what they once were - toys for the very, very wealthy. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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"Charles Momsen" wrote in message ... "Joe" wrote in message ... On Nov 22, 10:16 am, "Charles Momsen" wrote: Story he http://www.king5.com/localnews/stori...nomy_abandoned... Hey Gilligan hope all is well in Colorado, Here there are over 300 boats abandoned on the lake . http://www.galvnews.com/story.lasso?...13B4Upx1BE88DD The EL Lago Marina was one of the worst wiped out, sadly Silvers wife could not handle the pressure. http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=6517696 Joe Hi Joe, Things are pretty good here for the most part. No real big unemployment problems since most of those who lost their jobs went back to Mexico. A good number of foreclosures on houses but the small investor is locked out because lenders have a limit on the number of houses you can have mortgaged. Gas is under $2.00, food and ammunition prices are dropping so it's not all gloom and doom. I plan on getting down your way in a few weeks to see my old yacht, its new owner and sniff around for another fine addition to the fleet. I hope you are getting a new RedCloud II going, it's people like you that make America great - independent, self reliant people that never give up on their vision. Partially true but a vision will not be realized without hard work and competent action. Although Joe has demonstrated he does not fear hard work it is the competence angle upon which he has yet to get a firm grip. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... "Charles Momsen" wrote in message ... "Joe" wrote in message ... On Nov 22, 10:16 am, "Charles Momsen" wrote: Story he http://www.king5.com/localnews/stori...nomy_abandoned... Hey Gilligan hope all is well in Colorado, Here there are over 300 boats abandoned on the lake . http://www.galvnews.com/story.lasso?...13B4Upx1BE88DD The EL Lago Marina was one of the worst wiped out, sadly Silvers wife could not handle the pressure. http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=6517696 Joe Hi Joe, Things are pretty good here for the most part. No real big unemployment problems since most of those who lost their jobs went back to Mexico. A good number of foreclosures on houses but the small investor is locked out because lenders have a limit on the number of houses you can have mortgaged. Gas is under $2.00, food and ammunition prices are dropping so it's not all gloom and doom. I plan on getting down your way in a few weeks to see my old yacht, its new owner and sniff around for another fine addition to the fleet. I hope you are getting a new RedCloud II going, it's people like you that make America great - independent, self reliant people that never give up on their vision. Partially true but a vision will not be realized without hard work and competent action. Although Joe has demonstrated he does not fear hard work it is the competence angle upon which he has yet to get a firm grip. Wilbur Hubbard Right you are Wilbur and there's also luck, both good and bad. I believe Joe has all it takes and more to be successful. |
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"Charles Momsen" wrote in message ... "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... "Charles Momsen" wrote in message ... "Joe" wrote in message ... On Nov 22, 10:16 am, "Charles Momsen" wrote: Story he http://www.king5.com/localnews/stori...nomy_abandoned... Hey Gilligan hope all is well in Colorado, Here there are over 300 boats abandoned on the lake . http://www.galvnews.com/story.lasso?...13B4Upx1BE88DD The EL Lago Marina was one of the worst wiped out, sadly Silvers wife could not handle the pressure. http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=6517696 Joe Hi Joe, Things are pretty good here for the most part. No real big unemployment problems since most of those who lost their jobs went back to Mexico. A good number of foreclosures on houses but the small investor is locked out because lenders have a limit on the number of houses you can have mortgaged. Gas is under $2.00, food and ammunition prices are dropping so it's not all gloom and doom. I plan on getting down your way in a few weeks to see my old yacht, its new owner and sniff around for another fine addition to the fleet. I hope you are getting a new RedCloud II going, it's people like you that make America great - independent, self reliant people that never give up on their vision. Partially true but a vision will not be realized without hard work and competent action. Although Joe has demonstrated he does not fear hard work it is the competence angle upon which he has yet to get a firm grip. Wilbur Hubbard Right you are Wilbur and there's also luck, both good and bad. I believe Joe has all it takes and more to be successful. Perhaps, but only time will tell. What concerns me is he's too full of pride. I have yet to read where he admits he screwed up royally in losing Red Cloud unnecessarily. I fear that until and unless he steps back and takes a realistic appraisal of the whys and wherefores he's doomed to continue his "bad luck." Part of being a man is to admit one's mistakes and not continue to always blame them on fate or bad luck. Until one can admit a mistake one will never be able to correct a mistake or forestall the same thing happening in the future. Wilbur Hubbard |
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Frankly, I don't see 99% of boats on the market right now as a
"bargain" unless you have very limited sailing plans. "Charles Momsen" wrote: But Doug, mass produced boats are not marketed for the slim 1% Maybe not, but they bring a lot of needless frustration & difficulty to the 99% For example, look at the large number of 'production boats' that have winches in unworkable locations. Can the boat be sailed in anything but a drifter without using the winches? No. Another example... mooring cleats. Undersized, not fastened or bedded or backed properly. Guaranteed heaache to use, a safety issue, a maintenance issue... the builders & sellers assume that the buyers are idiots. I could go on & on & on.... Why are 99% of boats on the market designed & built to be sold to idiots? It's not that the buyers *are* idiots, it's that most want a boat really badly and there's nothing else to choose from. 2nd, most boats on the 2nd-hand market are badly neglected. Most boats? What is your sample size for this conclusion? At least a couple of hundred. I go to a lot of different marinas & sailing clubs and have a habit of taking a look around at each... heck there are at least 60 boats for sale in the 5 marinas and 2 sailing clubs that I go to regularly (right in our area). It doesn't take a genius so see frayed lines, corroded fittings, etc etc on almost all the ones with 'for sale' signs... heck it's nothing special, close to 50% of all the boats I see are prety badly neglected. Probably at least 50% of the boats in these places have been sailed less than 10 times in the past 5 years. ..... So, pick a boat you really really like and will find rewarding to own & sail. Then it will be worth the work & effort you put into it. I think that is what most people do. The problem is you don't like 99% of boats and other people may like 20% or 50% of boats Prob'ly right. Like I said, I'm picky! Either that or I'm spoiled, having owned a series of boats & dogs that were far above the average. Since the Democratic controlled Congress and the future administration will be and are saddling our children with massive debt, I doubt boats will be in the game plan for many in decades to come. There will be no rebound for boats. Yachts will become what they once were - toys for the very, very wealthy. And you can be sure it's all the Democrats fault.... not a single Republican has any share of the blame! Isn't democracy just awful, the way you brilliant & perfect people have to suffer the voting mistakes of the average folk? It's a shame that President Bush & Vice President Cheney didn't just outlaw the Democratic Party back when they had full control. Think what the country would be like if they'd put all those libby-rulls in re- education camps! Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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wrote in message ... Frankly, I don't see 99% of boats on the market right now as a "bargain" unless you have very limited sailing plans. "Charles Momsen" wrote: But Doug, mass produced boats are not marketed for the slim 1% Maybe not, but they bring a lot of needless frustration & difficulty to the 99% Maybe not so. Maybe those people just don't care. For example, look at the large number of 'production boats' that have winches in unworkable locations. Can the boat be sailed in anything but a drifter without using the winches? No. Another example... mooring cleats. Undersized, not fastened or bedded or backed properly. Guaranteed heaache to use, a safety issue, a maintenance issue... the builders & sellers assume that the buyers are idiots. I could go on & on & on.... It's costly to build a good boat and most people can't afford them. If one wants to sell boats to the masses it appears corners must be cut. Why are 99% of boats on the market designed & built to be sold to idiots? It's not that the buyers *are* idiots, it's that most want a boat really badly and there's nothing else to choose from. They can try to buy a good boat, but it might be out of their means. Name 5 great blue water cruisers 30 feet or more for less than 100K new. Less than 150K. Less than 200K. Less than 250K. Off all the boats sold, what percentage is over 100K? 2nd, most boats on the 2nd-hand market are badly neglected. Most boats? What is your sample size for this conclusion? At least a couple of hundred. I go to a lot of different marinas & sailing clubs and have a habit of taking a look around at each... heck there are at least 60 boats for sale in the 5 marinas and 2 sailing clubs that I go to regularly (right in our area). It doesn't take a genius so see frayed lines, corroded fittings, etc etc on almost all the ones with 'for sale' signs... heck it's nothing special, close to 50% of all the boats I see are prety badly neglected. Probably at least 50% of the boats in these places have been sailed less than 10 times in the past 5 years. Doug, all fittings corrode and lines do fray. If it's for sale the owner may not want to sink money and effort into new lines or removing corrosion. The bright side (no pun intended) is that half of the boats are low mileage. I don't think a sample of 200-300 boats is enough to make conclusions for all boats. But it is true that most of the boats for sale you have seen are badly neglected. Can you say the same for boats you have seen that are not for sale? For the most part I think people sell their boats because they have lost interest in them. ..... So, pick a boat you really really like and will find rewarding to own & sail. Then it will be worth the work & effort you put into it. I think that is what most people do. The problem is you don't like 99% of boats and other people may like 20% or 50% of boats Prob'ly right. Like I said, I'm picky! Either that or I'm spoiled, having owned a series of boats & dogs that were far above the average. Would you say that Hunter you had was far above average? Was it that way from the factory or did you make it above average? Since the Democratic controlled Congress and the future administration will be and are saddling our children with massive debt, I doubt boats will be in the game plan for many in decades to come. There will be no rebound for boats. Yachts will become what they once were - toys for the very, very wealthy. And you can be sure it's all the Democrats fault.... not a single Republican has any share of the blame! Blame them too if you like. I'm simply holding the Democrats to their word. They were going to get us out of Iraq. Remember pay-go? Bush's failed policies? I do. Isn't democracy just awful, the way you brilliant & perfect people have to suffer the voting mistakes of the average folk? It's not as bad as the marketplace where you brilliant and perfectly knowledgeable sailors have to suffer the consequences of mass marketed boats for idiots. It's a shame that President Bush & Vice President Cheney didn't just outlaw the Democratic Party back when they had full control. Think what the country would be like if they'd put all those libby-rulls in re- education camps! FYI: I'm not a Republican and it's more fun to wind the liberals up. BTW, do you still think the Fed is doing a great job? Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... "Charles Momsen" wrote in message ... "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... "Charles Momsen" wrote in message ... "Joe" wrote in message ... On Nov 22, 10:16 am, "Charles Momsen" wrote: Story he http://www.king5.com/localnews/stori...nomy_abandoned... Hey Gilligan hope all is well in Colorado, Here there are over 300 boats abandoned on the lake . http://www.galvnews.com/story.lasso?...13B4Upx1BE88DD The EL Lago Marina was one of the worst wiped out, sadly Silvers wife could not handle the pressure. http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=6517696 Joe Hi Joe, Things are pretty good here for the most part. No real big unemployment problems since most of those who lost their jobs went back to Mexico. A good number of foreclosures on houses but the small investor is locked out because lenders have a limit on the number of houses you can have mortgaged. Gas is under $2.00, food and ammunition prices are dropping so it's not all gloom and doom. I plan on getting down your way in a few weeks to see my old yacht, its new owner and sniff around for another fine addition to the fleet. I hope you are getting a new RedCloud II going, it's people like you that make America great - independent, self reliant people that never give up on their vision. Partially true but a vision will not be realized without hard work and competent action. Although Joe has demonstrated he does not fear hard work it is the competence angle upon which he has yet to get a firm grip. Wilbur Hubbard Right you are Wilbur and there's also luck, both good and bad. I believe Joe has all it takes and more to be successful. Perhaps, but only time will tell. What concerns me is he's too full of pride. I have yet to read where he admits he screwed up royally in losing Red Cloud unnecessarily. I fear that until and unless he steps back and takes a realistic appraisal of the whys and wherefores he's doomed to continue his "bad luck." Part of being a man is to admit one's mistakes and not continue to always blame them on fate or bad luck. Until one can admit a mistake one will never be able to correct a mistake or forestall the same thing happening in the future. That's a true concern and wise advice. I think Joe has what it takes. |
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On Nov 23, 11:36*am, "Charles Momsen" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message ... On Nov 22, 10:16 am, "Charles Momsen" wrote: Story he http://www.king5.com/localnews/stori...nomy_abandoned... Hey Gilligan hope all is well in Colorado, *Here there are over 300 boats abandoned on the lake . http://www.galvnews.com/story.lasso?...84&-session=Th.... The EL Lago Marina was one of the worst wiped out, sadly Silvers wife could not handle the pressure. http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=6517696 Joe Hi Joe, Things are pretty good here for the most part. No real big unemployment problems since most of those who lost their jobs went back to Mexico. We still have a large contigent of Mexicans and since the storm a influx of Floridians here to earn money picking up trash and fixing things. They are easy to spot as they drive slow with one turn signal on A good number of foreclosures on houses but the small investor is locked out because lenders have a limit on the number of houses you can have mortgaged. Gas is under $2.00, food and ammunition prices are dropping so it's not all gloom and doom. They say here there are a run on AR's, you can't find a Bushmaster is the state. Ammos gone up a bit, some times it's better to shop on-line or hit the gun show. I plan on getting down your way in a few weeks to see my old yacht, its new owner and sniff around for another fine addition to the fleet. Lots of boats to be had here, bring an empty trailor. If you need any assistance let me know. I hope you are getting a new RedCloud II going, it's people like you that make America great - independent, self reliant people that never give up on their vision. Well shucks, you're making me blush Gilligan. No RedCloud II but we are working towards the next coffee boat. Joe Adm. Momsen |
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On Nov 23, 4:34*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Charles Momsen" wrote in message ... "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message tanews.com... "Charles Momsen" wrote in message ... "Joe" wrote in message .... On Nov 22, 10:16 am, "Charles Momsen" wrote: Story he http://www.king5.com/localnews/stori...nomy_abandoned.... Hey Gilligan hope all is well in Colorado, Here there are over 300 boats abandoned on the lake . http://www.galvnews.com/story.lasso?...84&-session=Th... The EL Lago Marina was one of the worst wiped out, sadly Silvers wife could not handle the pressure. http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=6517696 Joe Hi Joe, Things are pretty good here for the most part. No real big unemployment problems since most of those who lost their jobs went back to Mexico. A good number of foreclosures on houses but the small investor is locked out because lenders have a limit on the number of houses you can have mortgaged. Gas is under $2.00, food and ammunition prices are dropping so it's not all gloom and doom. I plan on getting down your way in a few weeks to see my old yacht, its new owner and sniff around for another fine addition to the fleet. I hope you are getting a new RedCloud II going, it's people like you that make America great - independent, self reliant people that never give up on their vision. Partially true but a vision will not be realized without hard work and competent action. Although Joe has demonstrated he does not fear hard work it is the competence angle upon which he has yet to get a firm grip. Wilbur Hubbard Right you are Wilbur and there's also luck, both good and bad. I believe Joe has all it takes and more to be successful. Perhaps, but only time will tell. What concerns me is he's too full of pride. I have yet to read where he admits he screwed up royally in losing Red Cloud unnecessarily. I fear that until and unless he steps back and takes a realistic appraisal of the whys and wherefores he's doomed to continue his "bad luck." Part of being a man is to admit one's mistakes and not continue to always blame them on fate or bad luck. *Until one can admit a mistake one will never be able to correct a mistake or forestall the same thing happening in the future. Wilbur Hubbard- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What concerns me is how you ended chained to chicken bone reef ? Until you untie that mooring line and cast off Neal, your advice you so freely spew, will not merit nor warrent attention. You a good about talking (typing) about sailing, but thats not what it's about. Joe |
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On Nov 23, 4:34*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Charles Momsen" wrote in message ... "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message tanews.com... "Charles Momsen" wrote in message ... "Joe" wrote in message .... On Nov 22, 10:16 am, "Charles Momsen" wrote: Story he http://www.king5.com/localnews/stori...nomy_abandoned.... Hey Gilligan hope all is well in Colorado, Here there are over 300 boats abandoned on the lake . http://www.galvnews.com/story.lasso?...84&-session=Th... The EL Lago Marina was one of the worst wiped out, sadly Silvers wife could not handle the pressure. http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=6517696 Joe Hi Joe, Things are pretty good here for the most part. No real big unemployment problems since most of those who lost their jobs went back to Mexico. A good number of foreclosures on houses but the small investor is locked out because lenders have a limit on the number of houses you can have mortgaged. Gas is under $2.00, food and ammunition prices are dropping so it's not all gloom and doom. I plan on getting down your way in a few weeks to see my old yacht, its new owner and sniff around for another fine addition to the fleet. I hope you are getting a new RedCloud II going, it's people like you that make America great - independent, self reliant people that never give up on their vision. Partially true but a vision will not be realized without hard work and competent action. Although Joe has demonstrated he does not fear hard work it is the competence angle upon which he has yet to get a firm grip. Wilbur Hubbard Right you are Wilbur and there's also luck, both good and bad. I believe Joe has all it takes and more to be successful. Perhaps, but only time will tell. What concerns me is he's too full of pride. I have yet to read where he admits he screwed up royally in losing Red Cloud unnecessarily. I fear that until and unless he steps back and takes a realistic appraisal of the whys and wherefores he's doomed to continue his "bad luck." Part of being a man is to admit one's mistakes and not continue to always blame them on fate or bad luck. *Until one can admit a mistake one will never be able to correct a mistake or forestall the same thing happening in the future. Wilbur Hubbard- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Again, Why are you still chained to Chicken bone reef? Joe |
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"Joe" wrote in message ... On Nov 23, 4:34 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: big snip | Again, Why are you still chained to Chicken bone reef? | | Joe You just demonstrated my point, Joe. Instead of being rational you resorted to your usual, ad hominem attack to avoid the issue. Not the most adult of things to do. The fact that the topic's such a sore spot with you certainly should clue you in that there's at least a kernel of truth in what I say. Moreover, no matter what careless, self-serving assumptions you care to make about me, they have little bearing on the fact that you really DO need to re-evaluate yourself and your choices honestly if you wish to increase your chances of success next time around. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote in message ... yep, for folks with cash in hand...there are now, and will be grat deals avail...at least thst's what i am discovering...i started a boat corp and we ( 5 members ) are shopping right now for a used ericson 38-200... shoppin' and browsing the net, i see some great deals out there...i bid on a 1976 ericson 35 in tx w/rub rail damage...not major....and missed by aprox $8,500 getting it...i bid a max of $2,500 and it sold for $10k or so... not the boat i/we wanted.....but a heck of a deal...."cash in hand" talks in a recession, that's for sure...... cheers everyone...... On Nov 23, 8:36 am, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ... On Nov 22, 10:16 am, "Charles Momsen" wrote: Story he http://www.king5.com/localnews/stori...nomy_abandoned... Hey Gilligan hope all is well in Colorado, Here there are over 300 boats abandoned on the lake . http://www.galvnews.com/story.lasso?...84&-session=Th... The EL Lago Marina was one of the worst wiped out, sadly Silvers wife could not handle the pressure. http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=6517696 I feel badly for the poor guy. But . . . Why do people not anticipate this kind of thing and prepare for it? Why do people keep falling for the obviously false, liberal claptrap that a knight in shining, government armor is going to gallop out of the sunrise and rescue them from every eventuality, foreseen and unforeseen? Why is it a marina in hurricane country didn't have a plan that included rebuilding after a hurricane wiped them out? When did it ever get to the point where there was nothing but despair leading to a suicide? Where was the financial cushion? Why is a newspaper article furthering the insanity and acting like it was all somebody else's fault. Griping that government help isn't timely or enough. Worse still is the question: "Why do people reading that propaganda nod their heads in agreement?" It's a barometer into the soul of a soulless liberal society. For how many years did the Silvers own and operate the marina? 10? 15? 20? Unless they just recently purchased the marina, why did they not set aside a percentage of earnings annually in a rebuilding kitty? Why did they neglect having a contingency plan? And, if they just recently purchased it why did they wipe out most of their working capital so there was nothing left in the kitty for eventualities like hurricanes? Did they not have insurance of some sort? Where was their business plan? In hurricane country partial or total destruction it's a matter of when, not if. It sounds like they embraced the liberal lie that big brother would come to their rescue. How many times are people going to see this is rarely the case before they smarten up and become responsible for taking care of their own? Texan's, in particular, seem to like to brag about how they are so ruggedly independent and manly. While I've not seen the level of whining as was and still is the case in New Orleans - an almost totally liberal bastion - there is still an embarrassing level of whining in the Galveston area where folks pride themselves on being personally responsible and independent. As long as people believe government is their friend and helpmate they are living a lie. You have but two real friends in this life - the Good Lord and His gifts to you. Any real man realizes this truth and acts accordingly. For help of a critical nature look first to the Lord, then yourself, your friends and your church in that order. Government does not appear anywhere on the list. Wake up, people! Wilbur Hubbard- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi... ywo=sealake&+ |
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wrote in message ... On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:32:24 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ... On Nov 23, 4:34 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: big snip | Again, Why are you still chained to Chicken bone reef? | | Joe You just demonstrated my point, Joe. Instead of being rational you resorted to your usual, ad hominem attack to avoid the issue. Not the most adult of things to do. The fact that the topic's such a sore spot with you certainly should clue you in that there's at least a kernel of truth in what I say. Moreover, no matter what careless, self-serving assumptions you care to make about me, they have little bearing on the fact that you really DO need to re-evaluate yourself and your choices honestly if you wish to increase your chances of success next time around. Wilbur Hubbard I remember during the planning of his business, posters asked him if he had taken care of certain things they thought would be easy to overlook. Joe smugly replied each time that he had crossed all the T's and dotted all the i's. He clearly hadn't. Imagine his surprise when he got to his destination and found out that he would not be allowed to load the 10,000 pounds he had counted on transporting. There was a 4,000 pound limit, which even if he had made it back in one piece, would have severely impacted the whole venture. I hadn't heard that bit of news but it doesn't really surprise me. I've always liked Joe but I'm disappointed in him because he refuses to listen to reason. People try to help him and he takes it as an affront to his manhood or something. People who have this type of personality rarely are able to learn anything from their mistakes. They seem doomed to repeat the same mistakes over and over again. His smug rejection of sound advice, of course, may engender "I told you so's" as a matter of course. Yet, he seems to think these "I told you so's" are coming out of the blue with no rhyme or reason to them when it's his attitude that gives rise to them. In some ways his personality seems to have certain child-like qualities unbecoming of male adulthood. I wonder if he is a product of a broken home and was raised without any strong father figure in his life? Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Nov 24, 8:32*am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ... On Nov 23, 4:34 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: big snip | Again, Why are you still chained to Chicken bone reef? | | Joe You just demonstrated my point, Joe. Instead of being rational you resorted to your usual, ad hominem attack to avoid the issue. *Not the most adult of things to do. The fact that the topic's such a sore spot with you certainly should clue you in that there's at least a kernel of truth in what I say. Moreover, no matter what careless, self-serving assumptions you care to make about me, they have little bearing on the fact that you really DO need to re-evaluate yourself and your choices honestly if you wish to increase your chances of success next time around. Wilbur Hubbard It's not a sore spot Neal. Just a subject and process that is none of your concern. If I were seeking an opinion on how to move forward to success, I would consult someone that is moving forward and has experienced success. You sir are the ad hominem attack expert. I wonder why? Why do my question bother you so? All I asked was why you are still chained to chicken bone reef? Also the expert at dodging the truth about your sailing ability and boat. And at that I quote pud"d'nhead "Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone you may still exist, but you have ceased to live." Please re-evaluate your choice of a hobby Neal. Sailing is more than making an A on a 25gt masters ticket test, and flogging the crew. If you ever worked your ticket you would know that is it a licence to learn, not proof you know anything pratical. Joe |
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jlrogers...yep, that's a nice 30+...a bit
on the high price though.....the years 1982 - 1987 are nice years...... thanx On Nov 24, 8:04*am, "jlrogers±³©" wrote: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote in ... yep, for folks with cash in hand...there are now, and will be grat deals avail...at least thst's what i am discovering...i started a boat corp and we ( 5 members ) *are shopping right now for a used ericson 38-200... shoppin' and browsing the net, i see some great deals out there...i bid on a 1976 ericson 35 in tx w/rub rail damage...not major....and missed by aprox $8,500 getting it...i bid a max of $2,500 and it sold for $10k or so... not the boat i/we wanted.....but a heck of a deal...."cash in hand" talks in a recession, that's for sure...... cheers everyone...... On Nov 23, 8:36 am, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ... On Nov 22, 10:16 am, "Charles Momsen" wrote: Story he http://www.king5.com/localnews/stori...nomy_abandoned.... Hey Gilligan hope all is well in Colorado, Here there are over 300 boats abandoned on the lake . http://www.galvnews.com/story.lasso?...84&-session=Th... The EL Lago Marina was one of the worst wiped out, sadly Silvers wife could not handle the pressure. http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=6517696 I feel badly for the poor guy. But . . . Why do people not anticipate this kind of thing and prepare for it? Why do people keep falling for the obviously false, liberal claptrap that a knight in shining, government armor is going to gallop out of the sunrise and rescue them from every eventuality, foreseen and unforeseen? Why is it a marina in hurricane country didn't have a plan that included rebuilding after a hurricane wiped them out? When did it ever get to the point where there was nothing but despair leading to a suicide? Where was the financial cushion? Why is a newspaper article furthering the insanity and acting like it was all somebody else's fault. Griping that government help isn't timely or enough. Worse still is the question: "Why do people reading that propaganda nod their heads in agreement?" It's a barometer into the soul of a soulless liberal society. For how many years did the Silvers own and operate the marina? 10? 15? 20? Unless they just recently purchased the marina, why did they not set aside a percentage of earnings annually in a rebuilding kitty? Why did they neglect having a contingency plan? And, if they just recently purchased it why did they wipe out most of their working capital so there was nothing left in the kitty for eventualities like hurricanes? Did they not have insurance of some sort? Where was their business plan? In hurricane country partial or total destruction it's a matter of when, not if. It sounds like they embraced the liberal lie that big brother would come to their rescue. How many times are people going to see this is rarely the case before they smarten up and become responsible for taking care of their own? Texan's, in particular, seem to like to brag about how they are so ruggedly independent and manly. While I've not seen the level of whining as was and still is the case in New Orleans - an almost totally liberal bastion - there is still an embarrassing level of whining in the Galveston area where folks pride themselves on being personally responsible and independent. As long as people believe government is their friend and helpmate they are living a lie. You have but two real friends in this life - the Good Lord and His gifts to you. Any real man realizes this truth and acts accordingly.. For help of a critical nature look first to the Lord, then yourself, your friends and your church in that order. Government does not appear anywhere on the list. Wake up, people! Wilbur Hubbard- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...sp?slim=b....- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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On Nov 24, 9:18*am, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:32:24 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message .... On Nov 23, 4:34 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: big snip | Again, Why are you still chained to Chicken bone reef? | | Joe You just demonstrated my point, Joe. Instead of being rational you resorted to your usual, ad hominem attack to avoid the issue. *Not the most adult of things to do. The fact that the topic's such a sore spot with you certainly should clue you in that there's at least a kernel of truth in what I say. Moreover, no matter what careless, self-serving assumptions you care to make about me, they have little bearing on the fact that you really DO need to re-evaluate yourself and your choices honestly if you wish to increase your chances of success next time around. Wilbur Hubbard I remember during the planning of his business, posters asked him if he had taken care of certain things they thought would be easy to overlook. Joe smugly replied each time that he had crossed all the T's and dotted all the i's. *He clearly hadn't. *Imagine his surprise when he got to his destination and found out that he would not be allowed to load the 10,000 pounds he had counted on transporting. There was a 4,000 pound limit, which even if he had made it back in one piece, would have severely impacted the whole venture.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Where did you garnish this "4000 lb limit" information Mike? No such restriction that I know of, can you please point to where you heard this? It would not suprise me that you heard it, because Ive read a dozen versions of what really happened too. Want the facts? http://www.customs.gov.bz Joe |
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On Nov 24, 11:15*am, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:53:53 -0800 (PST), Joe wrote: On Nov 24, 9:18*am, wrote: On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:32:24 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ... On Nov 23, 4:34 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: big snip | Again, Why are you still chained to Chicken bone reef? | | Joe You just demonstrated my point, Joe. Instead of being rational you resorted to your usual, ad hominem attack to avoid the issue. *Not the most adult of things to do. The fact that the topic's such a sore spot with you certainly should clue you in that there's at least a kernel of truth in what I say. Moreover, no matter what careless, self-serving assumptions you care to make about me, they have little bearing on the fact that you really DO need to re-evaluate yourself and your choices honestly if you wish to increase your chances of success next time around. Wilbur Hubbard I remember during the planning of his business, posters asked him if he had taken care of certain things they thought would be easy to overlook. Joe smugly replied each time that he had crossed all the T's and dotted all the i's. *He clearly hadn't. *Imagine his surprise when he got to his destination and found out that he would not be allowed to load the 10,000 pounds he had counted on transporting. There was a 4,000 pound limit, which even if he had made it back in one piece, would have severely impacted the whole venture.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Where did you garnish this "4000 lb limit" information Mike? No such restriction that I know of, can you please point to where you heard this? It would not suprise me that you heard it, because Ive read a dozen versions of what really happened too. Want the facts?http://www.customs.gov.bz Joe It was widely reported. Can you point to anything to verify that you had 10,000 pounds of coffee aboard Red Cloud? ALL accounts that mention the amount of coffee aboard say you had 4.000 pounds of coffee, and that you didn't know you could only take 4,000 pounds until your arrival down there.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Don't believe everything you read in the press Mike. Like you, the press was not privy to the facts. There is no such limit as to the amount you can export, thats just plain silly. You can export any amount as long as the tariffs and taxes are paid. Joe |
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On Nov 24, 11:43*am, wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:39:19 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Nov 24, 11:15*am, wrote: On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:53:53 -0800 (PST), Joe wrote: On Nov 24, 9:18*am, wrote: On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:32:24 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ... On Nov 23, 4:34 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: big snip | Again, Why are you still chained to Chicken bone reef? | | Joe You just demonstrated my point, Joe. Instead of being rational you resorted to your usual, ad hominem attack to avoid the issue. *Not the most adult of things to do. The fact that the topic's such a sore spot with you certainly should clue you in that there's at least a kernel of truth in what I say. Moreover, no matter what careless, self-serving assumptions you care to make about me, they have little bearing on the fact that you really DO need to re-evaluate yourself and your choices honestly if you wish to increase your chances of success next time around. Wilbur Hubbard I remember during the planning of his business, posters asked him if he had taken care of certain things they thought would be easy to overlook. Joe smugly replied each time that he had crossed all the T's and dotted all the i's. *He clearly hadn't. *Imagine his surprise when he got to his destination and found out that he would not be allowed to load the 10,000 pounds he had counted on transporting. There was a 4,000 pound limit, which even if he had made it back in one piece, would have severely impacted the whole venture.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Where did you garnish this "4000 lb limit" information Mike? No such restriction that I know of, can you please point to where you heard this? It would not suprise me that you heard it, because Ive read a dozen versions of what really happened too. Want the facts?http://www.customs.gov.bz Joe It was widely reported. Can you point to anything to verify that you had 10,000 pounds of coffee aboard Red Cloud? ALL accounts that mention the amount of coffee aboard say you had 4.000 pounds of coffee, and that you didn't know you could only take 4,000 pounds until your arrival down there.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Don't believe everything you read in the press Mike. Like you, the press was not privy to the facts. There is no such limit as to the amount you can export, thats just plain silly. You can export any amount as long as the tariffs and taxes are paid. Joe In other words, you can't provide a single source that disagrees with what I said. Okay!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A single source I provided... http://www.customs.gov.bz Joe |
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On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:45:02 -0800 (PST), Joe
wrote: On Nov 24, 11:43*am, wrote: On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:39:19 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Nov 24, 11:15*am, wrote: On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:53:53 -0800 (PST), Joe wrote: On Nov 24, 9:18*am, wrote: On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:32:24 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ... On Nov 23, 4:34 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: big snip | Again, Why are you still chained to Chicken bone reef? | | Joe You just demonstrated my point, Joe. Instead of being rational you resorted to your usual, ad hominem attack to avoid the issue. *Not the most adult of things to do. The fact that the topic's such a sore spot with you certainly should clue you in that there's at least a kernel of truth in what I say. Moreover, no matter what careless, self-serving assumptions you care to make about me, they have little bearing on the fact that you really DO need to re-evaluate yourself and your choices honestly if you wish to increase your chances of success next time around. Wilbur Hubbard I remember during the planning of his business, posters asked him if he had taken care of certain things they thought would be easy to overlook. Joe smugly replied each time that he had crossed all the T's and dotted all the i's. *He clearly hadn't. *Imagine his surprise when he got to his destination and found out that he would not be allowed to load the 10,000 pounds he had counted on transporting. There was a 4,000 pound limit, which even if he had made it back in one piece, would have severely impacted the whole venture.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Where did you garnish this "4000 lb limit" information Mike? No such restriction that I know of, can you please point to where you heard this? It would not suprise me that you heard it, because Ive read a dozen versions of what really happened too. Want the facts?http://www.customs.gov.bz Joe It was widely reported. Can you point to anything to verify that you had 10,000 pounds of coffee aboard Red Cloud? ALL accounts that mention the amount of coffee aboard say you had 4.000 pounds of coffee, and that you didn't know you could only take 4,000 pounds until your arrival down there.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Don't believe everything you read in the press Mike. Like you, the press was not privy to the facts. There is no such limit as to the amount you can export, thats just plain silly. You can export any amount as long as the tariffs and taxes are paid. Joe In other words, you can't provide a single source that disagrees with what I said. Okay!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A single source I provided... http://www.customs.gov.bz Joe They don't seem to mention you at all. |
Yachts abandoned - attention bargain hunters!
"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote in message ... jlrogers...yep, that's a nice 30+...a bit on the high price though.....the years 1982 - 1987 are nice years...... thanx Make an offer...You might get it. On Nov 24, 8:04 am, "jlrogers±³©" wrote: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote in ... yep, for folks with cash in hand...there are now, and will be grat deals avail...at least thst's what i am discovering...i started a boat corp and we ( 5 members ) are shopping right now for a used ericson 38-200... shoppin' and browsing the net, i see some great deals out there...i bid on a 1976 ericson 35 in tx w/rub rail damage...not major....and missed by aprox $8,500 getting it...i bid a max of $2,500 and it sold for $10k or so... not the boat i/we wanted.....but a heck of a deal...."cash in hand" talks in a recession, that's for sure...... cheers everyone...... On Nov 23, 8:36 am, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ... On Nov 22, 10:16 am, "Charles Momsen" wrote: Story he http://www.king5.com/localnews/stori...nomy_abandoned... Hey Gilligan hope all is well in Colorado, Here there are over 300 boats abandoned on the lake . http://www.galvnews.com/story.lasso?...84&-session=Th... The EL Lago Marina was one of the worst wiped out, sadly Silvers wife could not handle the pressure. http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=6517696 I feel badly for the poor guy. But . . . Why do people not anticipate this kind of thing and prepare for it? Why do people keep falling for the obviously false, liberal claptrap that a knight in shining, government armor is going to gallop out of the sunrise and rescue them from every eventuality, foreseen and unforeseen? Why is it a marina in hurricane country didn't have a plan that included rebuilding after a hurricane wiped them out? When did it ever get to the point where there was nothing but despair leading to a suicide? Where was the financial cushion? Why is a newspaper article furthering the insanity and acting like it was all somebody else's fault. Griping that government help isn't timely or enough. Worse still is the question: "Why do people reading that propaganda nod their heads in agreement?" It's a barometer into the soul of a soulless liberal society. For how many years did the Silvers own and operate the marina? 10? 15? 20? Unless they just recently purchased the marina, why did they not set aside a percentage of earnings annually in a rebuilding kitty? Why did they neglect having a contingency plan? And, if they just recently purchased it why did they wipe out most of their working capital so there was nothing left in the kitty for eventualities like hurricanes? Did they not have insurance of some sort? Where was their business plan? In hurricane country partial or total destruction it's a matter of when, not if. It sounds like they embraced the liberal lie that big brother would come to their rescue. How many times are people going to see this is rarely the case before they smarten up and become responsible for taking care of their own? Texan's, in particular, seem to like to brag about how they are so ruggedly independent and manly. While I've not seen the level of whining as was and still is the case in New Orleans - an almost totally liberal bastion - there is still an embarrassing level of whining in the Galveston area where folks pride themselves on being personally responsible and independent. As long as people believe government is their friend and helpmate they are living a lie. You have but two real friends in this life - the Good Lord and His gifts to you. Any real man realizes this truth and acts accordingly. For help of a critical nature look first to the Lord, then yourself, your friends and your church in that order. Government does not appear anywhere on the list. Wake up, people! Wilbur Hubbard- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...jsp?slim=b...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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