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Poco Loco wrote:
On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 00:50:11 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 16:37:13 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2014 3:25 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 12:20:23 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/22/2014 12:17 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 12:02:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

When you actually look at the FBI standards you start seeing the
deficiencies in different rounds. They look at penetration and energ
y
transfer after going through the various things you may have to shoot
through. Most relevant for folks up north is the effect of different
kinds of coats. If they plug up the hollow point, you end up with a
FMJ.

The issue with stopping power is not whether the person eventually
dies from their wound. It is whether they kill you before they die.
A .22 is one of the most deadly rounds in raw numbers but a surprising
number of these people do not even realize they were shot for a while.

Shoot 'em in the head and they'll know it for a nanosecond. The .22 is
potent in the head because it will enter the skull but not necessarily
exit. Bounces around for a bit destroying lots of grey matter.

That is largely a myth. There are lots of places you can hit in the
head that will not stop a motivated attacker.
People walk around with all sorts of things penetrating their brain.

Without a significant amount of hydraulic shock, it may give them
several seconds to get off a shot at you.

If you just hit the soft tissue below the eye line, (half the head)
there is very little actual stopping power.

I think you missed the point. What I've read (and have seen video tests
of on fake head targets) is that a .22 has enough oomph to break
through the skull but not enough to continue out the other side.
Instead, it ricochets off the inside and bounces around a bit,
destroying or damaging more brain tissue than if it went straight
through and out the other side.

I understand the premise, I only question if it is actually true. If
you really had this demonstrated in ballistic gel, the FBI would be
carrying .22s and not their Glock 40.

Oh come on now. Even the FBI can't expect to get a brain shot every time!

Many years ago, I was driving with a friend to Gander Mountain to get
two black powder rifles that were on sale and to expand our hobby. On
the way a deer jumped in front of the car and was badly wounded. The
car was a mess but repairable. We called for a police report and the
officer that arrived saw the deer lying at the edge of the road - alive
but not able to walk. He walked about 20 feet toward the deer, now 20
feet away, and took out his service pistol and fired. He missed the
deer by at least four feet to the side - there was snow on the ground so
we had a reference. We offered our assistance but he declined and moved
five feet closer and was able to make the shot. Pretty pathetic since
it wasn't a moving target. He was from a small PD so I doubt he saw much
range time but a miss like that could have been ugly in a different
situation.