On 2/19/14, 11:09 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 10:44:05 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/19/14, 10:28 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 06:32:13 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 2/19/14, 2:40 AM, thumper wrote:
On 2/17/2014 8:07 PM, Tim wrote:
Oh, I know the earth is much older than that. But is mankind?
Yes
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2008/apr/29/fossils.evolution3
Carbon 14 *IS* the accepted science for research, but its not
infallible...
Science doesn't claim to be infallible or perfectly accurate but rather
is self correcting and tends get better with time and effort.
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/05/31/us...on-dating.html
1990...
C14 dating has well known limitations and constraints for appropriate
application and *is not* the only accepted method of dating.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio-carbon_dating
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiometric_dating
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-c14.html
It is an unfortunately common (and dishonest) creationist tactic to take
relatively small scientific controversies or corrections and equivocate
to infer that the whole field is unreliable.
As one of my mentors once said "All simulations (models) are wrong, some
are useful."
The god of the gaps is shrinking slowly.
There's nothing but dishonesty in creationism. It's one thing to be
self-delusional and believe that sort of nonsense, and it is quite
another and dishonest to try to push it onto public school kids as some
sort of "alternative."
It's similar to TV shows in which half the characters are GLBT. It's dishonest to try to push that
onto public school kids as some kind of 'norm'.
Being "gay" is a reality for many, including public school kids. It's
important their school buds realize that being gay is real. Creationism
is delusional religious nonsense.
You sure seem overly sensitive to "gay" issues, John. Are you one of
those still in the closet gay conservatives who protests gays too much? 
I recall one junior high/high school buddy who was sexually
ambidextrous, way back in the dark ages when I was a lad. He was a great
guy and no one gave him any **** for it. I guess he's lucky he didn't go
to your high school.
So he was born both ways?
I have no idea. He dated a couple of the gay guys in high school and he
dated "straight" girls. He made no effort to hide his bisexuality.
I am sensitive to having gaydom shoved down my throat, and that of kids. What if I were a 'closet
gay conservative'? You use that term as a put down, yet act as though gaydom is the norm. It's not.
The GLBT community represents only about 3% or our population. It is not the norm.
Those who believe in a Creator, on the other hand, represent about 74% of our population. Yet you
decry students being taught that such a belief exists.
I'm sure the little jibes you and Don make about me possibly being gay do something for you. But as
I have nothing against gays themselves, they really just emphasize your anti-gay beliefs.
I'm not sure "shoved down" your throat is really the way you wanted to
put it, eh?
All I see are gays who want the same rights and privileges afforded to
the rest of society in pertinent areas. Some gays are flamboyant, no
doubt about it. But so far, no gays have come to my front door to
attempt conversions.
I don't decry students learning that many people believe in a creator. I
simply don't want *any* sort of religious teaching or belief
impositioning taking place in the public schools. As I posted earlier, I
have no problem with neutral, non-advocacy teaching about religions in a
comparative way, as in "Jews believe this, Catholics believe this,
Muslims believe this, Buddhists believe this, and this is how those
beliefs came about and evolved."
As for your hypersensitivity about gays, it kind of reminds me of other
people on your side of the political fence who were loudly opposed to
gays, gay rights, gays coming out, gays being public about being gay,
and then we found out *they* were gay.
John, I've known gay people for most of my life. Not one has put the
moves on me. I doubt they'd be sexually interested in you, either.
That being said, if I were single, I'd wouldn't mind dating Ellen
DeGeneres. I love funny women.